Opioids Dilaudid/hydromorphone MEGA THREAD and FAQ

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

i was just wondering about a couple of things. Where would one get micron filters and what exactly are they. And how would one go about getting sharps as i am unable to get to any needle exchange program. Can you order them online w/o a dr script and for a relatively cheap price? and with discreet package info on the outside and maybe be able to order some other cheap med supplies so that the sharps arent the only thing inside? or can anyone help a brother out with mailing some discreetly? also am going to try to get some dilaudid pills and wonder in they ever come in the form like ocs which turn to mush when liquid is added. Hopefully not. Ty for any info that can help!!!

Buy SteriFilts instead, google SteriFilt...they're much cheaper than micron filters and are just as good when it comes to pills and for street drugs, all the bacteria etc. (they've been invented by the company that makes Securicups, the sterile cups with a nice fat cylindrical cotton filter in them. All exchanges injection kits are this way here, they got 4 of those and I gotta say, I might have fucked up when I got addicted to 32-56mg of IV Dilaudid a day....dat rush. But at least I kept it clean, single use of everything, the social workers would just bring me a bag with 20 kits in them and I'd give them my "sin bin" where my old syringes that they give, which I find the best syringes I ever used for IV (27 1/2 G) BT brand. You got to order em from France but it's still cheaper than buying microns in the US.

I suggest using this site to identify pills, as we don't do this normally here : they got pictures of everything under the sun, and the difference between brand name US Dilaudid and Canadian Dilaudid for example : http://www.opiateaddictionresource.com/media/images/hydromorphone_ir

American

Canadian

The generics I used that left a ton of powder behind.

It looks like you got a shitload of generic brands of Dilaudid in the US, look up the first link, if it's not in there, something's wrong, but yes, there is hydromorph generics I have never seen, a lot, that are in the US only, here we got the APO and PMS brand and that's it when it comes to generics.

The first I shot were the Abbotts, back in 2007, I think Purdue just bought out their production. "Clean" (I'm on bupe), since late 2012, life has improved as in I have a lot more money that I'm not throwing at the old man that was selling me his stuff and the stuff of other people he'd get to know in the waiting room of pain clinics, they'd exchange numbers and it's how they would end up having everything under the sun at times.

 

[Tsx04]

Well the hydromorphone is in there, like i said 1mg is soluble in 330ml of water....although Mallinkrockt (the M square on one side hydromorphone), there is hydromorphone left in the solution man. think of it 330mg in 1ml of water fits with hydromorphone. It's like I said, with the regular Purdue 1mg blue Dilaudid, it leaves a ton of gunk behind in the sterile cup after using the filter that comes in those which is good enough for hydromorphone or some kinds of morphine pills.

Unless you got a generic 8mg one...they are white and round, although here very easy to tell when they are dilaudid, the PMS hydromorphone being so prevalent and the brand name much harder to get without the good connections, if you want D4's/D8's even D2's. They're exactly like the yellow generic ones, same kind of print on both sides, -8- and PMS on the other side, or -4-, -2- etc. Unmarked white pills...unless you've seen people slamming/snorting them....you should ask your source. As they say know your source.

So if it's generic 8mg pills, yeah, they will leave crap behind, the 4's also do when generic. I wish you were having the Mallinkrodkt(sic) brand so I would get to know about these, Mallinkrodt don't sell meds in Canada so they kind of interest me, I never knew about the inactives in them and how safe it is. But if it's unmarked completely, it would be strange if it is an 8mg. But generics do leave a bunch of crap behind, the stronger, the less they do, but it's how it is. So if they have some marking of some sort, you could call the poison center and ask them about that pill because someone might be overdosing, they don't send cops or ambulances if you say you're gonna bring the person to the hospital. If they don't have markings, then it could be anything. Once somebody gave me a "7,6mg" dilaudid.....I thought "ah! what med is it that that I actually have a script for that comes in 7,6mg of the product in them. Sennosides...exactly what it was, laxatives. That was such a joke. And yeah, they are unmarked tiny aquamarine/grey pills. Somebody who didn't know Dilaudid only came in 1,2,4 and 8mg pills would have had a major problem had they believed that.

So unless you give enough info, you're still in the dark here.

TYVM for all of the info. Did not expect anyone be so kind to take the time....let alone twice!

As for my source, I don't have one. It's a long story but not a single person knows I use/have access. They have a 4 on 1 side and an M on the other side (same pull as google image search for white 4mg hydromorphone).

I managed to get it it to work by using more water than fits in the syringe, mix it for 2 full minutes and continue to mix as I draw it up. I guess I was just spoiled by the ease of the yellows. I mean, as long as I crushed them fine enough, added 80 ml to 16mg of dilaudid (I think, 80 of a 1cc syringe) and mixed for like 30 seconds, I never had a single issue.

Thanks again for all of the info.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

So it's those :

I suggest using that site in the future, it's got freaking everything. They're just as good, but they might if done regularly require Sterifilts/Microns, I'm not sure about the inactives, but only Purdue's brand name D's or P's are safe to inject with a normal cotton, lactose and magnestium stearate aren't microcrystalline cellulose, which those PMS generics did have, these if not filtered well and used regularly will stick to your lungs...so. Might be the same for the Mallinckrodt, I dunno, you look up the inactives I did enough %) I'm pissing myself off that I'm on sub and can't get that amazing out of this world rush from (I just needed one 4mg to get it, best was 6mg, that'd allow me to spread the D4's I'd get, it was mostly that. But this is opiate porn to me as Dillies were my DOC and it's why when I'm off suboxone, the pain clinic is waiting for me, and I'm promised Oxycodone-CR 60mg (generic oxycontin fuck yeah). They know I ended up shooting Dilaudid because all of a sudden there was no more Oxycontin and the people who had OxyIR's were keeping them for themselves during those 6 months without Oxycontin until they came back as those horrible OxyNeo (same thing as OP's).

All I needed was a pink 20mg oxycontin and I was fine, all day long, those motherfuckers are the reason I'm taking one of the strongest opioid known to man (how it glues to the mu opioid receptor) while being totally worthless, at least with methadone I had some pleasure, and I will need to bridge into methadone again before I go to the pain clinic, because it'll be hard and very painful for me to get into real Bupe withdrawals.

They should keep Bupe for short term 3 month detoxes, they are realizing this more and more. I had to change because Bupe didn't cause me to gain 10 pound a month.

 

[Tsx04]

Yup, the ones in the middle. I hope I get the yellow ones next time. No mess, less prep, etc. though if I keep getting the white ones I'm more likely to use less often as they are such a pita. I've never taken OxyContin, I've never bought pills before and only have access to methadone, dilaudid, and fentanyl patches (I've tried many other pills orally and by sniffing though when I was younger)I don't even know anyone irl who uses anything stronger than pot. I've never even been in the presence of heroin or even coke before.

I wouldnt have ever resorted to shooting up dilaudid but I oddly am incapable of getting high from pharms or any drug but alcohol from any other ROA. Back when I shouldn't have had a tolerance, I would try to get high by taking "hero" doses of stuff and never once felt high. Even when I shoot dilaudid, I get a 30 second max rush and then I'm 100% sober.

Methadone gets you high? I've taken close to 100mgs and I don't feel a thing except for side effects. (I didn't randomly take 100mgs, I've taken enough of it for pain management to know I can handle that much. I just never felt anything good from it, sadly. I'm quite jealous of you and others that get high from taking drugs orally or nasally.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

When I was put on methadone I had a script for Atarax (hydroxyzine) 50mg...and I still do to help with insomnia/allergies at bed time, knocks 2 birds with one rock. It would potentiate it like how it potentiates all opiates, but it especially does with fully synthetics like 'done, and Demerol. Oh man 150mg of Demerol IV'd with a 50mg Atarax taken 20 minutes before would make the rush so much stronger and the sedation and a lot more massive. Same with Talwins.

 

[bhujk123]

HydromorphContin 18's are Yellow gelcaps. A quick google search will tell you so, what the fuck are you guys on? There's no white HMC's. The closest to white is the grey 24's.

Even the list of inactives for 18's makes it obvious at how they make it look yellow : capsule shell: gelatin, titanium dioxide, and yellow iron oxide.

All your HydromorphContin info here : http://chealth.canoe.com/drug/getdrug/hydromorph-contin

So a bit of research and less of lying? kthx

And yeah, the bigger the dosage, the more beads, the larger. The 30's aren't called "big boombas" around here for nothing.

Hey my friend, I didn't talk about the 18's HMC capsules color! I wondered about the beads color inside the capsule.

 

[Dirt Nasty]

I hope you'll be my nurse if I ever get injured and land my ass in the hospital! Back on topic, your result [80 units from 90] is exactly what I got doing it this way...I heard if you do a 2nd wash you can get a second shot too, but I don't IV my hydromorphones, I
make a nasal mist. Works great for my fkd up arm/shoulder from a car wreck. And for a buzz of course but with less water. Peace

Do you use a micron filter?

Do you get brand name or generic? If you get gennies, which one is it? I get name brand and the 2nd best is PMS for me personally.

so can these little beautiful pills be smoked like roxis? jw. whats the best way to take them??

I was always wondering the same thing. A user on here or another similar forum [wink] said he tried vaping and got a great "headchange" but it was short lived. All I know is that anything that's water soluble can be vaped. Anyone?

How much would ya recommend for a person with moderate tolerance as far as taking a bit orally to get a baseline amount in you before insufflating? I can handle up to 24 at once no prob but I'm talking about insufflation [liquid drops in sinus] Thanks.

Hahaaa that made my day lol :D

How can I snort oral liquid Dilaudid without the majority dripping down the back and turning into low BA oral ROA?

This is what I do: take 3ml of liquid in a dropper per nostril and lay on your bed with your head hanging off the edge and squirt it into your sinus in each nostril PAST your nasal hairs right where the opening to your sinus is. Wait about 10-15mins to absorb the drug. Works every time for me, hope I was of some help. Have your phone handy with some tunes handy too, lol. OR you can make a nasal mist, it works GREAT with HM. I do that too. There's a nasal mist thread on here, search for it, it's priceless. If I'm not mistaken the poster has a link to it on one of these pages. Peace.

well i finally just picked up a few dilaudid 8mgs, tried insufflating powder and just put some in water and insufflated that and cant tell, these arnt that good but it what i have. cuz the powder looks too much, even half of a triangle white *mg is alot of powder to snort.

The 4mg pills are the best for any ROA, they have the least filler/drug ratio. Less is more in this case haha.

I keep coming back to this thread when searching for the new megathread, is this the right one then?

On the topic of knowing what pill sizes and drugs the US provides...

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/drugsatfda/

or for Canadians:

http://webprod5.hc-sc.gc.ca/dpd-bdpp/index-eng.jsp

The 3mg formulation is a suppository

I used an empty capsule. Got a capsule supplement out of the medicine cabinent, disposed of the contents and filled with dilauded, use a little spit and lay down with your legs up (sounds funny haha) so you don't crush the capsule and dilly shoving it in your ass. go as deep as you can, about 2.5-3 inches and you are all set. Keep in mind that water and spit will dissolve or collapse the capsule, so work fast when it is wet.

AND DONT USE MUCH, YOU WILL OD AND DIE

I tried that with 8mg Dilaudid and didn't feel shit..but with TEVA generic morphine SR, WOW I was FUCKED UP! Nodding like a mofo and it lasted a good 6 hrs or so. Damn bioavailabilities!!! The rectal BA range for dilaudid has such a huge range it's mind boggling. I envy you guys for whom it works! I kid you not, it worked AMAZING.

 

[PillmatiK]

I've decided to try plugging dialudid. I generally use ~40mg daily (in).

Is 4mg a safe place to start? Also does using a capsule work or should i mix it into a liquid?

 

[ShizNizzleTech]

Hey Y'all, new here, so I have no idea if anyone will see this or if it is being placed correctly or anything on here I am doing is correct. Just a quick question.....does anyone have any information on what drugs will inhibit the effects of hydromorphone? When used in IV, it usually produces a short lived euphoria right after injection, this was one f the greatest feelings ever and now, almost all of a sudden I am not feeling even a margin of that feeling. I recently was put on some antibiotics and shortly after is when the effects started to vanish. If anyone has any information on what is happening or anything I can try to reverse this o so terrible circumstance I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Scrofula]

Howdy ShizNizzle, you found the right thread, but unfortunately your question falls into the dreaded "what is my dope cut with" category. Which is a category we can't answer, or discuss, cause really, who the fuck knows? But your antibiotics wouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

[Howie25]

I got my wisdom teeth and was sad to find out I could hit my dab rig or smoke due to chance of getting a dry socket, but I was excited when my friends all said the pills they gave me would get me high, I started out taking 2 and hour later 1 and a hour and a half later another?s 2 but still nothing, I?ve taken painkillers twice before and don?t think to have to highest tolerance. The dosage I?m taking is 5-325 hydrocodne acetamin. Sorry I?m new to this website and I?m not sure if this is the right place to post my question.

 

[Scrofula]

Hey there Howie. This is a thread about hydroMORPHone, better known as Dilaudid. More than a bit more potent and not as commonly prescribed as hydroCODone, better known (with Tylenol) as Vicodin and Norco.

I would have just moved your thread, but there's no good place to move it; and I saw at least half a dozen threads asking the same question you are. They're all archived though, so I can't really yell at you for not posting in one of them.

Here's the situation: you are not supposed to get "high" from your pain meds. The pain-killing dose is always less than the euphoric-nodding dose. The gap between pain-killing and rolling your eyes is wider for commonly prescribed drugs like the one you got (compared to the kind you only get in the ER). That's why your dentist can give those to you--taking 2 will not cause you to nod off on the sidewalk.

One thing I noticed back when I actually had dental insurance and abused my own Vicodin: what you feel varies a lot. Time of day, what you ate, phases of the moon, they all have a big effect on whether you feel nothing, or a strong but pleasant desire for a nap.

OK, back to Dilaudid.

 

[Steady Scootin]

Howdy ShizNizzle, you found the right thread, but unfortunately your question falls into the dreaded "what is my dope cut with" category. Which is a category we can't answer, or discuss, cause really, who the fuck knows? But your antibiotics wouldn't have anything to do with it.

I doubt his Dilaudid is cut, sounds more like tolerance to me.

 

[Scrofula]

Or it's just bunk. But he did ask what drugs could interfere with it and--shit, he meant real pharmaceuticals like his antibiotic, didn't he? Not lurking inside his dope conspiratorially. Sorry, ShizNizzle, I misunderstood. I'm used to tweakers imagining things in their IVs.

But there still aren't any long-acting drugs that would completely abolish the effects of dilaudid like that. So either tolerance, or bad stuff. Or both, there's always both.

 

[ShizNizzleTech]

I appreciate the posts gentlemen. I remember this had happened to me a couple years ago after experimenting with some 100 mg morphine tablets, the dilaudid seemed to have almost no effect for a short while after that. Recently I tried a different painkiller also so I hope I am experiencing the same sort of effect and it will go away in a couple weeks. I shall keep this updated. These are legitimate pills BTW, I wondered about the "being cut" quote as if the laboratories are taking the crisis with opioids into their own hands and making them quite a bit weaker. And also, it is not tolerance as one day it was "blast off" and later that same day it was like a dud. Anyways, thanks. Be safe y'all and enjoy your day!

 

[Scrofula]

Sorry, like I said, you smoke a little meth, and suddenly every post is shadow-people-in-my-dope. Then there's all the posters, too.

But wait, you think that if the first dose is a "blast off" and the next hours later is a relative dud, that's not tolerance? OK, I guess not technically enough time to actually start downregulating receptors, but it's definitely a kind of tolerance. A law of diminishing returns on redose, whatever the pharmacological term is for that. It is normal physiology, not mysterious antibiotics behind it.

To keep with the rocket analogy: you need to reenter the atmosphere and splash down in the ocean, before you can blast off again, right?

 

[DayDreamBeliever]

Dilaudid ivs are the best.

 

[LilAddy]

Let me just say that Dilaudid is by far my favorite opiate, and that's coming from someone who doesn't iv anything lol. So I use a method of insufflation to take my Dialudid, and I was wondering if I could get some feedback to see if this is a good method. If you can think of a better method of insufflation for Dilaudid please tell me. For the longest time I would crush up my Dialudid, mix it with water, suck the mixture up into an oral syringe, and then drip it in my nose slowly over the course of 30-45 minutes. This method worked well pretty well, but I'm wondering if a new method I'm trying would be more effective. My new method consists of me crushing my pill(s) and making six long and thin lines. I then proceed to sort a line with each nostril. After waiting 5-10 minutes, I then use an oral syringe filled with just water, and I drip some in each nostril (to help absorb any powder that has not already been absorbed). I then wait another 5 minutes and then repeat the last two steps. I continue to do this until have finished my dose, this process ends up taking about 30 minutes. Thanks for any advise y'all can give.

 

[Scrofula]

I almost wrote a scathing critique, liladdy, but after re-crunching the numbers, my unlearned verdict is it's kind of a wash all around, and surely you can streamline this a bit?

I must admit that I would have a hard time crowning my favorite drug when it takes at least a half hour just to consume a dose. But, some people like to take time to savor their vices. Me, I would gladly sacrifice a third of that dose in lost absorbance and just eat the pills, so I could move on with my slowed-down life.

And maximizing absorbed dose is your goal then, I take it. You don't mention the mass of hydromorphone, but you could cram over 70 pills in 1mL of water (if binders weren't real); optimizing the precise intranasal aliquot to avoid a single molecule escaping into your GI tract--its miles of squirming tubage, fraught with irritability potential and the uncertainty of a porcelain grave--is itself too risky and makes that full hour of aching neck, what, three times a day? totally worthwhile.

(That last line was for its own sake, mostly, since mixing metaphors and hiding run-on sentences with semicolons is my only entertainment.)

Most people who take opioids to get high seek Maximum Bolus. People who get high on anything generally aim for that, or the nerdy ones might instead optimize the product of concentration and duration (that's because if they're like me, they're trying to put off IV (ie., max bolus) as long as they can). Rare is the junkie who goes for dose efficiency.

In less than a thousand words, I mean that eating your dose, even with 40% reduction in bioavailability, since it arrives at your brain in a more compact package, might be preferable for most opioid recreationers than the larger dose arriving in a gentle swell over a period twice as long.

Most likely it's a rub, and the extra hour becomes the deciding factor. No shame in taking things slow though.

 

[tacodude]

But an atomizer nasal spray attachment for a syringe to apply your Dilaudid solution much more easily