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Yeah I'd say give it a go before you discount it's connections to near death experiences, I'm going to assume you haven't had one of these either.
I don't know about everyone else here but after my first really full on DMT trip, one of the first things I did was go to the mirror to make sure I was okay.

Also for the record I know people who have seen "the light at the end of the tunnel" so to speak, not just once, but multiple times in their DMT trips.
 
Sustanon said:
I highly recommend reading DMT the Spirit Molecule book. Its awesome and will enlighten you. Ever heard of people having near death experiences? Are there similarities between near death experiences and a dmt trip? What they describe is strikingly similar to a full blow DMT trip. Its a naturally occurring chemical in our brain so why would it be so hard to believe that it is released?
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i have read that book. i've seen the film too.
DMT is naturally occurring in many living things and is believed to have a role as a neurotransmitter in humans (not my field of expertise unfortunately) but i don't think Strassman's theory about DMT being released at death or in near-death experiences is accepted by many researchers, and it certainly has never been proven.
i'm not saying i'm in a position to discount it completely - i'm not a scientist - but if you look at the evidence available, it is regarded as a controversial hypothesis that has remained so for almost 20 years.

when people repeat the theory as truth, it starts gathering a lot of hokey baggage - i don't consider it to be any more than an urban myth at this point. i've heard people compare near-death experience to DMT, but it's not what i've experienced in all the years i've used DMT.
people saying something over and over again doesn't make it true, and this theory is no different.

i agree that it is a fascinating hypothesis, but there are plenty of incredible speculations about DMT so i don't see why people get so hung up about this particular one. many more ideas have been put forward since this one, but i get the feeling people like to hang on to sensationalist explanations. it seems a bit simplistic to me - maybe this is why everyone has latched onto it?

i can't say if it is true or not - nobody in the world can - so until we know more, i'm going to remain sceptical.
 
I've long since accepted that until science gets far more heavily involved in studying the psychedelic experience, it will impossible to come to any rock solid conclusions about DMT, LSD or any other of these amazing compounds.
I'm willing to keep my mind open to anything though, I've seen enough to know whatever "it" is about the psychedelic experience, it's something huge and very important.
 
Sustanon said:
I highly recommend reading DMT the Spirit Molecule book. Its awesome and will enlighten you. Ever heard of people having near death experiences? Are there similarities between near death experiences and a dmt trip? What they describe is strikingly similar to a full blow DMT trip. Its a naturally occurring chemical in our brain so why would it be so hard to believe that it is released?
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I've just started reading that!such a great doco i thought the book would be better (witch is ussaly the case with books to movies) If you want a real good read,read the book "The Invisible Landscape: Mind, Hallucinogens" It's Terrence McKenna’s first novel not too sure if your know who he is but he makes a apperince in the spirit molecule movie and has alot to do with its making.I've listend to alot of Terrence McKenna’s lectures and what he has to say VERY intersting...bit of info about the book "The Invisible Landscape: Mind, Hallucinogens and the I Ching acts as a literary preface to a vivid life of psychedelic exploration as well as a potent foundation for the philosophies and experiences of the ‘Timewave’ philosophy.worth a read to say the least.....
 
pisspotnrock said:
ok, I need some help/advice off bluelighters that are familiar with extractions...

Me and a mate of mine have tryed 2 attempts at A/B extractions and unfortunately, both didnt go to plan... everything went fine until the finial steps doin the shelite pulls...

For some unkown, fucked up reason, the shelite we add to the basified solution (300ml of shellite ~ 2 litres of bark tea on first pull) wouldnt fully separate into layers :X pretty much after the third pull, with 1 litre of shelite used in total, we were only able to physically separate 100ml :p

we followed the tek step by step, doin everything perfect but it just wouldnt separate.. anyway, were givin up on the whole A/B teks and gonna give the straight to base teks a shot (dont wanna waste any more precious bark)

soo, can anyone please point me in the direction of a good straight to base tek when using Acacia Acuminata? BTW, we used the 'DMT handbook' tek FYI but yeah, no more attempts with the A/B...

thanks in advance guys :)

EDIT: BTW, thanks for all the respones with the question I asked a month ago regarding the acid.. much appreciated...
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Sounds like youve gotten am emulsion. This happens a lot with Acacia species because they have an abundance of fats and oils.
Generally a 'defat' will Prevent emulsions from forming. Performing a Xylene wash after your boils (and before the basification and polar washes) will resolve this.
Also heating your Naptha (no open flame) will also help resolve emulsions. It will give you a better yield as the alkaloids seem to drop out more readily if the solution is heated.

Hope this helps bro.
 
Divine Moments said:
It's known that there is endogenous DMT in the brain of humans (among the millions of other places it's found), the link with near-death experiences is not known. I would say it's possible but speculative.

I haven't read every post in this thread so my apologies if I'm misinterpreting this, but I don't see how attributing any psychological experience to a given compound 'excuses' it. The generally accepted scientific view is that all such subjective experiences arise from neurochemical interactions - all our thoughts, memory, emotions, etc. - That doesn't make them any less valid or real.

I'm of the opinion that it's virtually impossible to make informed opinions regarding psychedelics without experiencing them.
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I still feel that, despite my lack of first-hand experience, I'm still entitled to my opinion on the matter. Besides, I'm sure naturally occurring drugs which are supposedly responsible for near-death experiences kills the metaphysical feeling and mystery of the experience - however powerful and 'spiritual' the drug may be to some. I'm just not one to agree that drugs offer intense spirituality, especially considering our existence and sobriety is the axis of what we experience. However, considering that dimethyltryptamine apparently does occur naturally in the brain, my spiritual view of it is higher than that of most psychedelics and dissociatives. Nevertheless, my point still stands that I'm reluctant to believe that it's entirely responsible for near-death experiences, due to the fact that after-life is one of the largest mysteries in - and potentially out of - life. To say that a chemical in our tangible body may be held responsible for the spirituality behind near-death experiences makes me speculate its validity.

That's just my opinion, however. Call me crazy, I don't care. I just find that basing your entire spirituality on drugs is ridiculous.
 
i'm about as atheist as you can get.
i don't believe in any sort of supernatural or new-age spirituality, mainstream religion, god, reincarnation, astrology, ghosts, UFOs - i'm massively sceptical about practically everything - but i have been awed time and time again by the power of DMT.

there are some incredible forces in the realm you tap into on DMT. i can't really explain what they are, and it would take too long for me to explain what my experiences have been - but it has lead me to question and re-examine my underlying rejection of so much spiritual understanding.

it sounds like bullshit when people talk about a drug experience awakening their ideas of spirituality - the most obvious explanation is delusion or hallucination or something right? but it's true that it has to be experienced to be believed.

i'm actually going to try a completely different (accepting) approach to DMT next time i come across it, because i've felt a certain 'disapproval' from the experience the last couple of times i've done it. i will be turning my back on things i've felt strongly about for years in the hope that i can elicit a more welcoming response from [whatever the DMT personas are best described as]. to me that is a pretty big thing - not something i take lightly.

there are some great threads on bluelight discussing these sorts of things (this one came up a few days ago - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/608233-quot-The-quot-Message) and i think pretty much anyone that has encountered DMT will tell you that it is very, very, very, very interesting stuff, regardless of what take they have of it.
 
spacejunk said:
i'm about as atheist as you can get.
i don't believe in any sort of supernatural or new-age spirituality, mainstream religion, god, reincarnation, astrology, ghosts, UFOs - i'm massively sceptical about practically everything - but i have been awed time and time again by the power of DMT.
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So how did life itself come into existence then? Your saying that you dont believe in UFO's either, so all those people who have seen something are all making it up or lying? Im not saying everything is real from the list that you just mentioned but there is certainly a lot of evidence to back up all those claims including pictures, videos and what about the Area 51 cover up? Weather balloon? Pfft yeah right, you have no Idea how brain washed the public is and how many things we do not know about. I know there are a lot of people like urself who are very sceptical but trust me I'm like that too, I believe it when I see it most of the times but there is just so much evidence for all of these things.

Like I said earlier, just because we have no evidence (yet) doesnt mean that it doesnt exists. Im 100% certain that one day maybe not in our life time we will definitely find life on another planet, not saying we will find aliens or intelligent forms of life although that cant be excluded either but even if we find microbiological life we still can call it/them Aliens. We are just starting to find planets that have all the right conditions for life to exist. Our intelligence has definitely improved over the course of time and man I dont think we even have discovered a fraction of what there really is out there, we bearly know much about alot of things including the brain and its functions. Have a think about it for a minute. Not having a go at you and I respect your beliefs but I really dont understand your way of your thinking.
 
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^ UFOs = classified US military aircraft in most cases in my personal opinion.

I think if aliens really were visiting us with the frequency that sightings are reported, we'd have more overt contact by now rather then bits and pieces that may or may not be anything.

Cue X-Files theme.
 
yeah, that's hilarious.
not only did you miss my point sustanon, but you've illustrated perfectly the kind of ideologies i would never want to be associated with, let alone subscribe to...or even think about.
nail on the head, mr blonde.
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Not having a go at you and I respect your beliefs but I really dont understand your way of your thinking.
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thank god for that!
i apologise for sharing my (admittedly cynical) worldview with you folks in order to make a point about DMT and spirituality, i didn't realise my antipathy towards sci-fi cultism was so contentious. maybe i'm more out of touch with the mainstream than i realised.
i like to question shit. not just the "official line" of the government, not just religious orthodoxies, but especially charlatan pseudoscience "researchers" who make a living selling books that pedal 'facts' that can't be disproved.
i think 'proof' is a pretty good BS litmus test. i'll take anything seriously - if you can back it up.

now, it's all very nice that this conversation has turned to the topic of my beliefs (!) but what i was getting at in the first place is despite being a sceptic (pardon me) i have had all kinds of thoughts and understandings awakened from using DMT that are pretty incongruous with that way of thinking generally.

i found this interesting - nothing more, nothing less. i only mentioned my "beliefs" (not my choice of words) to illustrate that a sceptical critical thinker such as myself would be lead down this path, not just gullible acid casualties.
this thread is going off in a (super dumbed-down) tangent similar to a thread in PD i linked to in my post above.

it actually depresses me when people have to taint interesting discussions about the mystical wonders of psychedelics with all that hokey flying saucer bullshit, but each to their own i suppose. i'm sorry i brought it up.
 
so i have some DMT that is in the maoi. It just looks like green leaf. and every time i have a hit threw a bong ( about 4 times now) i get this almost intense high pressure feeling in my face.. im not sure if its because i had done to many drugs in the previous days or if its impurities in the product... My friend has not complained about this high pressure in the face feeling.. It normally occurs after i exhale and subsides as the DMT kicks in so its not long lasting but it does bother me. Im not doing any more for a while... Does any one else experience this high pressure in the face feeling from DMT or is it just me? thanks guys :)
 
Unfortunately I won't ever have the opportunity to experience DMT, unless in my future University years I stumble across it. But either way, I stand by my statement that a drug, whatever it may be, should dictate my spirituality.
 
Subdepth said:
Sounds like youve gotten am emulsion. This happens a lot with Acacia species because they have an abundance of fats and oils.
Generally a 'defat' will Prevent emulsions from forming. Performing a Xylene wash after your boils (and before the basification and polar washes) will resolve this.
Also heating your Naptha (no open flame) will also help resolve emulsions. It will give you a better yield as the alkaloids seem to drop out more readily if the solution is heated.

Hope this helps bro.
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Sounds like an emulsion to me too. I have read that if you shake the bottle to vigorously after putting in the shellite then an emulsion will form. From memory if you heat the liquid up some of the emulsion will seperate back into shellite and bark liquid. From then you can do the pull with that shellite.
Instead of shaking the bottle just try turning it end over end or a soft shake.
Hope that helps.
 
thanks so much for your reply OPP.

is there any way i can extract the fats and oils out of the changa? Doing so i gather i would not have this weird head pressure feeling when smoking it.
thanks so much for your reply, this has been puzzling me for some time now.
 
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i just had my first break through experience with dmt and oh my it was so intense, so so so intense i just cant get over it.

i was like bungee jumping into lsd land, but more intense, the experience was over so quickly i hardly had time to take it in.

can't wait to try it again, hopefully ill be able to remember more next time
 
westy said:
i just had my first break through experience with dmt and oh my it was so intense, so so so intense i just cant get over it.

i was like bungee jumping into lsd land, but more intense, the experience was over so quickly i hardly had time to take it in.

can't wait to try it again, hopefully ill be able to remember more next time
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haha i love hearing peoples first expirences.How was it?Did u talk to anyone?ect
 
westy said:
i just had my first break through experience with dmt and oh my it was so intense, so so so intense i just cant get over it.

i was like bungee jumping into lsd land, but more intense, the experience was over so quickly i hardly had time to take it in.

can't wait to try it again, hopefully ill be able to remember more next time
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Amazing isnt it =D

check out my first time...

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/518914-First-DMT-Experience
 
junkie skumbag said:
haha i love hearing peoples first expirences.How was it?Did u talk to anyone?ect
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the experience completely enveloped my mind, i was intimidated at first and a little bit afraid so i reassured myself to go with it like you would if you were having a difficult time on lsd and after that i felt like i got some support from an older woman? not to sure on that but i felt some support from something, and the only visuals i can remember were sort of like the new cactus artwork in perth (http://somewhereelse.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Perth-Cactus-Sculpture-1-500x374.jpg)

cant wait to try it again
 
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