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in uk, got 100mg... might test this weekend... i wonder if it has cross tolerance with ket?
The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread
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There are HPLC and NMR analyses posted on the site, but they can't be posted up here because they're plastered with the site name. Maybe someone who knows how to read the analyses can take a peek.
hugo24
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It shows tolerance with ketamine for sure (and no, it isn't Ketamine Jamshyd.) Altough a 40mg i.m. trial will reveal several similiarities with Ketamine , but its more balanced towards the spiritual part. whereas ketamine is more on the anesthetic/analgetic side. Btw I'm somewhat tolerant to NMDA antagonists these days just for information on my dose givings.
It has some distinct spiritual virtues to it, but its fragile and it needs an active part from the person using it otherwise you'll end up being bored. In the perfect set/setting you can have a life changing journey with green elves as your caring companions, making contact with the Universal Spirit, resolve deeply repressed stuff without pain and get a positive outlook for the future etc!
otoh under certain circumstances you can have a somewhat frightening experiences aka when you watch a negative TV report while on it, thing is you get fully immersed in your surrounding at the time! So prepare this like a psychedelic journey. Best setting is in a dark, blue lit room free of outside noise/distractions, together with hypnotic music for example. Actually I'm mostly interested what the traditional psychedelic researchers will think of it!
It has some distinct spiritual virtues to it, but its fragile and it needs an active part from the person using it otherwise you'll end up being bored. In the perfect set/setting you can have a life changing journey with green elves as your caring companions, making contact with the Universal Spirit, resolve deeply repressed stuff without pain and get a positive outlook for the future etc!
otoh under certain circumstances you can have a somewhat frightening experiences aka when you watch a negative TV report while on it, thing is you get fully immersed in your surrounding at the time! So prepare this like a psychedelic journey. Best setting is in a dark, blue lit room free of outside noise/distractions, together with hypnotic music for example. Actually I'm mostly interested what the traditional psychedelic researchers will think of it!
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pofacedhoe
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i have no ketamine tolerance and it gave me mild ketamine like effects but it was more blissed and less weird, i did start thinking about things from old k trips i had long forgotten about. its a euphoric relaxing state that leaves you happy afterwards. i have been thinking about having more, with regularity so i would says its moreish. was more satisfying for me than ketamine. need to try a higher dose
WARNING - The message that follows is of use to nobody and if your the type that wants that part of your life back after seeing some mediocre movie etc please read no further. There is nothing for you to see here.
So anyway here goes...
Insufflated 50mg and fucking loved it
That is all.
So anyway here goes...
Insufflated 50mg and fucking loved it
That is all.
Bomboclat
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Very excited to try this bad boy out!
Xamkou
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Insufflated 50mg in one line and it was pretty damn awesome. My friend made a video of me laid on a bed talking so much bullshit it's untrue and I have no memory of that moment. It really screws up your sense of time and constantly has you thinking "where the hell am I". Really enjoyed it and I'll be buying more very soon!
Jamshyd
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And here is where we shall forever disagree, my friend
.IME, the anaesthetic (but not necessarily analgesic - two different things) component of Ketamine, particularly the racemate, is instrumental in its entheogenic properties. To clarify, I use the word anaesthetic in its literal sense: something that blocks sensory input and feeback - and just that. Not necessarily something that causes unconsciousness.
As for analgesia, isn't Methoxetamine supposed to have a higher affinity for opioid receptors than Ketamine? It certainly felt that way... and I would definitely say that Methoxetamine is more readily recreational/hedonistic than Ketamine, and that is already reflected in almost all reports on it. Also I'm inclined to agree with one of the above posts that there seems to be a compulsion to redose as the effects wear off (although to be fair, Ket is that way too).
But yeah, really, I am unable to understand your dichotomy of anaesthesia vs spirituality (being necessarily mutually-exclusive). But then again, it was you who described my nervous system as "exotic", so I'm not surprised we perceive these things so differently
.I look forward to trying a higher dose via IM in a better setting. I'd really like to know what kind of spiritual insight, if any, would it have to offer me.
Xamkou
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Oh yeah, forgot to mention, I took this whilst on Mephedrone and aMT. Amazing.
1. Methoxetamine (2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) – Inexperienced – Incredibly seductive, powerful dissociative-entheogen: Ketamine fans, your prayers are answered
2. Description of drug: 50mg, sticky white powder with a slight green tinge around one edge, supplier’s printed sticker on tiny bag with full chemical name and formula, purity claimed as 99.18%, insulfated.
3. Background information: At home, alone in my room but with other adults on hand to check on me from time to time. General health good, male, early 40s, not on any medication, experienced in cannabis, LSD, MD** family & mephedrone.
4. The experience:
I had doubts as to whether to try this one as I have always thought of Ketamine as fairly hardcore, and this is supposed to be a close Ket. analogue. So I bought the smallest available quantity as I know I have fiending tendencies.
Allergy test and 2-3mg taken 6hours and 2hours before the trip, respectively.
Started out at 11pm, weighed 25mg and snorted. No pain and virtually no smell. A slightly sweet, clean odour, but very faint.
+30mins Slight tingling of extremities, very brief gentle gurning (less than a minute, hardly noticable) Gentle physical euphoria starting. A bit like the relaxation from very high-quality cannabis oil or resin. But very subtle and comfortable, relaxing, no paranoia. Sitting on the bed, duvet and mattress feel incredibly soft and enveloping.
+1hr Mental effects well established. Spinning sensation, like being on a huge roundabout that takes an age to get going, very powerful and inescapable but somehow not at all frightening. (I am a very anxious person and have had bad trips on cannabis and MDMA, but fear was noticably absent from the come-up.) The sensations build in waves. No visuals as such – the hallucinations seem to be very physical in nature. Checked BP and heart rate – both unchanged from baseline. Fantastic!
+1.5 hours Very dizzy and losing track of time. Try to email someone. I manage to type three words and am amazed to see that half an hour has passed. Attempt to view porn on the computer and I am surprised to find that I am absolutely disgusted by it. Very different to Meph! The effects of the drug come in gentle waves, so gentle that it is almost impossible to feel them start until they are already well under way. Very difficult to focus vision now, but if I want to concentrate on something I can normally bring it into view briefly. Try to walk to the bathroom and find this very difficult. I knock my legs and arms on the walls and the doors as I go, but still relatively in control. Sit down to urinate. No difficulty with this. Decide to lie down for a bit.
+2hrs The spinning effect builds whilst lying down. I have never experienced anything like this – so powerful, so inescapable but not scary. Wow. Overcome with fiending urge, I snort the remaining 20mg.
+2hrs 15mins Feel a bit tired and lie down. The spinning continues and I start to feel a soft sinking sensation. Everything feels ‘quiet’ and I have a feeling that something different will happen now. Vaguely aware that my heart rate is still normal.
Start to accelerate down. The K hole, or should I call it the M hole? Exactly as described by others – I am no longer a body in a world, but a speck of consciousness floating down in an infinite purple-black velvety nothingness. No fear, no control. Words cannot do justice to the experience.
3hrs Normal consciousness starts to come back in waves, but still very much in the grip of the trip. Feel an urge to read religious works, but cannot sustain the concentration to do so. Can read a sentence, just about, but cannot recall how it started by the time I get to the full stop. I attempt to describe the M hole (K hole) in my own words, I write in a pocket notebook:
“playful delightful delicious to God and back! We are all looking after each other, there will be no need to do anything else That’s it! And it’s fantastic We are here I love you all So simple So lovely So gentle It’s come Thank God! At last! Now life is easy so easy End of story! This is all a big lesson Buddha was right, if you’re greedy you distort your mind I’m really, really grateful It all makes sense That’s better! Relax Calm Cool Welcome to the sunshine”
Ahem.
+3.5 hrs Physical and mental effects start to dissipate quite rapidly. I stagger downstairs for a couple of choc bars and some water. Feeling tired and dizzy and still have problems focusing, but otherwise OK. Time for sleep.
5. Conclusions: This is a great drug. Although it was certainly not an experience that I could recommend to everyone. Definitely not one for the meph kids. Totally unlike anything else I have ever experienced. I would like to do it again, but strangely I don’t feel in any hurry to do so. I want to savour this drug rather than devour it.
If you don’t like the trippy element of drug-taking, don’t take this drug.
If you have problems with fiending/self-control, buy a very small amount or have sober people on hand to wrench the bag from your sweaty paw.
If you like trippy experiences, or you are a Ketamine fan, then this could be a great legal opportunity for you.
2. Description of drug: 50mg, sticky white powder with a slight green tinge around one edge, supplier’s printed sticker on tiny bag with full chemical name and formula, purity claimed as 99.18%, insulfated.
3. Background information: At home, alone in my room but with other adults on hand to check on me from time to time. General health good, male, early 40s, not on any medication, experienced in cannabis, LSD, MD** family & mephedrone.
4. The experience:
I had doubts as to whether to try this one as I have always thought of Ketamine as fairly hardcore, and this is supposed to be a close Ket. analogue. So I bought the smallest available quantity as I know I have fiending tendencies.
Allergy test and 2-3mg taken 6hours and 2hours before the trip, respectively.
Started out at 11pm, weighed 25mg and snorted. No pain and virtually no smell. A slightly sweet, clean odour, but very faint.
+30mins Slight tingling of extremities, very brief gentle gurning (less than a minute, hardly noticable) Gentle physical euphoria starting. A bit like the relaxation from very high-quality cannabis oil or resin. But very subtle and comfortable, relaxing, no paranoia. Sitting on the bed, duvet and mattress feel incredibly soft and enveloping.
+1hr Mental effects well established. Spinning sensation, like being on a huge roundabout that takes an age to get going, very powerful and inescapable but somehow not at all frightening. (I am a very anxious person and have had bad trips on cannabis and MDMA, but fear was noticably absent from the come-up.) The sensations build in waves. No visuals as such – the hallucinations seem to be very physical in nature. Checked BP and heart rate – both unchanged from baseline. Fantastic!
+1.5 hours Very dizzy and losing track of time. Try to email someone. I manage to type three words and am amazed to see that half an hour has passed. Attempt to view porn on the computer and I am surprised to find that I am absolutely disgusted by it. Very different to Meph! The effects of the drug come in gentle waves, so gentle that it is almost impossible to feel them start until they are already well under way. Very difficult to focus vision now, but if I want to concentrate on something I can normally bring it into view briefly. Try to walk to the bathroom and find this very difficult. I knock my legs and arms on the walls and the doors as I go, but still relatively in control. Sit down to urinate. No difficulty with this. Decide to lie down for a bit.
+2hrs The spinning effect builds whilst lying down. I have never experienced anything like this – so powerful, so inescapable but not scary. Wow. Overcome with fiending urge, I snort the remaining 20mg.
+2hrs 15mins Feel a bit tired and lie down. The spinning continues and I start to feel a soft sinking sensation. Everything feels ‘quiet’ and I have a feeling that something different will happen now. Vaguely aware that my heart rate is still normal.
Start to accelerate down. The K hole, or should I call it the M hole? Exactly as described by others – I am no longer a body in a world, but a speck of consciousness floating down in an infinite purple-black velvety nothingness. No fear, no control. Words cannot do justice to the experience.
3hrs Normal consciousness starts to come back in waves, but still very much in the grip of the trip. Feel an urge to read religious works, but cannot sustain the concentration to do so. Can read a sentence, just about, but cannot recall how it started by the time I get to the full stop. I attempt to describe the M hole (K hole) in my own words, I write in a pocket notebook:
“playful delightful delicious to God and back! We are all looking after each other, there will be no need to do anything else That’s it! And it’s fantastic We are here I love you all So simple So lovely So gentle It’s come Thank God! At last! Now life is easy so easy End of story! This is all a big lesson Buddha was right, if you’re greedy you distort your mind I’m really, really grateful It all makes sense That’s better! Relax Calm Cool Welcome to the sunshine”
Ahem.
+3.5 hrs Physical and mental effects start to dissipate quite rapidly. I stagger downstairs for a couple of choc bars and some water. Feeling tired and dizzy and still have problems focusing, but otherwise OK. Time for sleep.
5. Conclusions: This is a great drug. Although it was certainly not an experience that I could recommend to everyone. Definitely not one for the meph kids. Totally unlike anything else I have ever experienced. I would like to do it again, but strangely I don’t feel in any hurry to do so. I want to savour this drug rather than devour it.
If you don’t like the trippy element of drug-taking, don’t take this drug.
If you have problems with fiending/self-control, buy a very small amount or have sober people on hand to wrench the bag from your sweaty paw.
If you like trippy experiences, or you are a Ketamine fan, then this could be a great legal opportunity for you.
Jamshyd
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^ As it stands, I disagree that this is a Ketamine-lover's dream come true, but will withhold final judgement until I try a higher dose... It is an incredibly unique and interesting drug in its own right, but if you want to compare it to Ket, I'd say it is inferior. But who knows, I am certainly open to changing my mind after more (near-)future experimentation.
Great report, btw.
Great report, btw
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B9
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I'm pretty much voting with Jamsyhd.
I had a noticeably cheery night with it and as a mood enhancer it's superior to ketamine.
As others have said there's a marked dissociation but less confusion. I was able to more or less carry on a rational conversation despite consuming probably a tad more than the advertised upper limit. Motor skills were mildly impaired and cognition seemed only slightly below par.
I've no doubts the report from glass cage is well written but I don't have the time to read it thoroughly at present - but
I had a noticeably cheery night with it and as a mood enhancer it's superior to ketamine.
As others have said there's a marked dissociation but less confusion. I was able to more or less carry on a rational conversation despite consuming probably a tad more than the advertised upper limit. Motor skills were mildly impaired and cognition seemed only slightly below par.
I've no doubts the report from glass cage is well written but I don't have the time to read it thoroughly at present - but
I found no trippy element to this drug
MagickalKat777
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*stab*
Seriously... Ketamine is nowhere near that price in the states.
So you guys get tiletamine AND methoxetamine when you have K so cheaply?! Fuckers.
midinoz
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25mg dose gets you in a mild 'ketty' state, is there noticeable difference doubling the dose? i don't think i used my free sample to its best possibilities. opinion at the moment is that this stuff is just like pointlessly expensive subordinate k!
Well having read people's reports on this, I decided I had to see what the fuss was about so I have just got home having collected 100mg. Appearance is pure white, fine slightly clumpy (which is alarming considering the small amount purchased and what's stuck to the inside of the bag!) powder. Insufflated approx 20mg so far, split into 10mg about 15 mins ago and 10mg just now. Initial reaction? Ketamine, only active at a far lower dose and possibly a quicker onset. I have 2 more 10mg lines laid out ready but am going to leave them for the moment. I will keep updating as I go, including a special report on how Methoxetamine affects enjoyment of watching snooker on the telly....
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dc710
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I think this stuff deserves more credit somehow. Me and 2 other friends did some lines of it at a party last night and had an awesome time. Really enjoyed dancing and the strobe and lasers were espeically cool. I racked up 4 separate 20mg lines as that was all I had, me and my mate snorted the first two, and the third 'accidently' snorted the last two remaining lines (they were too close together he said! lol). It was his birthday so I let him off
Anyway, this is a great drug and it's legal. Not for everyone, but then that's probably a good thing.
Anyway, this is a great drug and it's legal. Not for everyone, but then that's probably a good thing.
midinoz
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definitely noticeable 'afterglow'... spacey nice anti-depressive feeling, maybe i spoke too soon. definitely gonna order some more
Jamshyd
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You also agreed with me about 3-MeO-PCP, right? I wonder what is it that our brains have in common?
.As time passes and more and more people try these new 3-MeO dissociatives, I'd like to do a survey of somesort to see if there is a sizeable population of people who simply do not respond to the full effects of these drugs...
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