The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread - Part 2

[MagickalKat777]

Redoses of 4-subs are almost always a waste in my opinion. Even redosing mushrooms is like that. It's an insta-tolerance like DMT has where you have to wait til you come down to try to breakthrough again.

 

[psy997]

I don't find there to be an insta-tolerance with DMT whatsoever...

 

[murphythecat]

Yes, I've taken lsd hundreds of times (and consequently got everything I could out of it) so you can say I've got a high tolerance from the effects of psychedelics, especially the mindfuck from it. But back when I first got into it, I was also pretty lightweight (100ug would floor me, and 1g of shrooms would as well). During my latest excursions with them, I'd need at least twice that to feel something, and the trip would be light to medium. I find that with psychedelics, even if you bring tolerance down by spacing the trips out, you gain another tolerance through experience itself.

Is yours the fumurate version too? That's the reason I dose high; I think the original dosage levels were based off of the hcl, so that's also why I upped the doses right off the bat with the fumurate chems. You may be just sensitive to psychedelics overall, haven't done any in a while, or you have a really good batch (though I think I do too).

The visuals were definitely strong though, in a fun kind of way even at 20mg. I'm guessing even extreme doses won't mess with the mind all that much either, it doesn't seem like the kind of chem for that. Either way, I'll test this at 60mg in a few weeks and see how it goes.

But I could see how someone may be affected by its headspace, if anything negative thought loops seem plausible on this one.

at this point, I think its age related?
when I was 17, 1.3g of shroom would be a +++ sometime and at least a good ++ with definite oev and when I smoked weed on 1.3g, forget about it, oev was very proeminent. nowdays, 2g and Im not even close to that and I cant smoke weed as it makes me parano. I think with age, something change within ourmind and we hallucinate less easily?

 

[murphythecat]

sold! I have to get some 4 ho met

If you have the 4-HO-MET fumarate salt, 25mg will blast you for a good 5 hours or so. I rather liked 4-HO-MET. It was probably my favorite all-around between 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-AcO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-DET, and 4-AcO-MiPT.

Its light on the mind and very visual with a very low body load. I had a reaction that didn't seem to be common at the time though - I found the plateau to last around 6 hours with the total duration being 9 hours so it was quite long-lived in me.

 

[Kl519]

at this point, I think its age related?
when I was 17, 1.3g of shroom would be a +++ sometime and at least a good ++ with definite oev and when I smoked weed on 1.3g, forget about it, oev was very proeminent. nowdays, 2g and Im not even close to that and I cant smoke weed as it makes me parano. I think with age, something change within ourmind and we hallucinate less easily?

Possibly. Maybe we're less susceptible to grandiose thoughts and delusions because of the experience from the cold reality of life. In general, people become more reasonable yet cynical, and that may affect our mindset when taking psychedelics. But on the other hand, that probably won't stop us from hallucinating all kinds of crap anyway. I think we just tend to regard it as just that, and not be too inspired by it. They are more like those "fun facts" that wouldn't take people very far. Of course there are exceptions, but this is just how I see it.

That's because I think that a lot of those epiphanies that come from taking a psychedelic are already within us. In a way, it doesn't really teach us anything new, but it will reveal knowledge we don't usually think about or recognize consciously. So basically, the substance helps us analyze ourselves from within, and not an external source.

That's my opinion anyway. Everyone is different and it seems that the reasons why people take psychedelics varies a LOT. We all got to have at least one reason, and chances are it won't match up with a huge percentage of others. That's just the way it is.
I just dislike it when people belittle others, and many times for shallow reasons. It doesn't have to be me, it could be someone else I don't know and it will still bother me. I'm just like that.

As for the weed bit, I use to smoke it everyday, but now it's only once in a while. It's usually in conjunction with other substances though. There was a time it made me paranoid as well, so I quit for a long while. But during that time I had a lot of problems going on, so I'm sure that played a huge part in it. Things are going well now though (finally!), so I can smoke it and not get paranoid anymore.

 

[Peacephrog1972]

I have been taking tryptamines about once every 2 weeks for the past 2 months......if it would of been a environment that I was isolate and really just getting lost in the visuals it could of been an extremely visual trip.....I was at a party, and there was a lot going on....the visuals were awesome....I did kind of space the 40mg out between the first 90 minutes......I'm going to take off a couple of weeks and then try the 4 ho mipt

 

[murphythecat]

agree with everything.

as for weed, its not making me parano, but a bit manic and often think too negatively about my action and make me analyse my behavior in a negative light. I smoke really often to, so when I smoke for 3 days in a row, I dont get this, but if I stop a week, then smoke, the paranoia/manic is very true and it takes sometime before being able to let go fully of that. weed is almost better the more you smoke it. if once in a while, it makes me very weird, but everyday smoking get very addicting for me.

Possibly. Maybe we're less susceptible to grandiose thoughts and delusions because of the experience from the cold reality of life. In general, people become more reasonable yet cynical, and that may affect our mindset when taking psychedelics. But on the other hand, that probably won't stop us from hallucinating all kinds of crap anyway. I think we just tend to regard it as just that, and not be too inspired by it. They are more like those "fun facts" that wouldn't take people very far. Of course there are exceptions, but this is just how I see it.

That's because I think that a lot of those epiphanies that come from taking a psychedelic are already within us. In a way, it doesn't really teach us anything new, but it will reveal knowledge we don't usually think about or recognize consciously. So basically, the substance helps us analyze ourselves from within, and not an external source.

That's my opinion anyway. Everyone is different and it seems that the reasons why people take psychedelics varies a LOT. We all got to have at least one reason, and chances are it won't match up with a huge percentage of others. That's just the way it is.
I just dislike it when people belittle others, and many times for shallow reasons. It doesn't have to be me, it could be someone else I don't know and it will still bother me. I'm just like that.

As for the weed bit, I use to smoke it everyday, but now it's only once in a while. It's usually in conjunction with other substances though. There was a time it made me paranoid as well, so I quit for a long while. But during that time I had a lot of problems going on, so I'm sure that played a huge part in it. Things are going well now though (finally!), so I can smoke it and not get paranoid anymore.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I have been taking tryptamines about once every 2 weeks for the past 2 months......if it would of been a environment that I was isolate and really just getting lost in the visuals it could of been an extremely visual trip.....I was at a party, and there was a lot going on....the visuals were awesome....I did kind of space the 40mg out between the first 90 minutes......I'm going to take off a couple of weeks and then try the 4 ho mipt

So it did work?

 

[Peacephrog1972]

going to try it on NYE

 

[psykedenlitenment]

^ ditto. If things work out. The only thing that I'd be missing is actual fireworks in person. Might go bowling though (childhood pastime), and I've always fancied the trailers/tracers that would result could be fantastic.

 

[Shamanism]

Have a nice story:

I did some AL-LAD earlier this week, together with my buddy Einfachfunk, perhaps 200ug (I was holding two blotters for a few minutes asking which one would you like?%)) got in a nice psychedelic headspace and he started jamming a bit on his Korg ms2000 with vocoder and a little green delay stomp box, (with which I still need to come to terms with, as it sounded so awesome but is of a brand I once vowed to never put in my signal chain.) The music flowed without effort, it was simply pure audio porn... I didn't notice much of the AL-LAD beside a bit of headspace untill then the most intense experience was this great synergy between these two components and this velvet deep funking music him playing the keys and great but alien vocoder voice.. Truly out of this world... (I'm getting to 4-HO-MET) but first time to have a smoke and a post musical orgasm smoke on the couch.. Then he presented a plate of grilled chicken wings.. Now I wasn't particularly hungry nor were they appealing, were it for the fact that he has a cat that is pretty shy, so I decided to give it a display of pure carnal decadence, leisurly tearing the meat, when I was finished she started purring on my lap I slowly flicked a last piece of warm chicken meat from the bone right in her mouth.. I had shown her there was no need for shyness nor lashing out.. Because I was the apex predator and commander of meat.... We had bonded at that moment I thought it was a small price to pay to earn it's trust and respect, I love cats and always let them come to me first.

A few minutes later Einfachfunk was talking, joking, playing tunes and suddenly looked at me and knew as he put ut he was eating pancakes and I was riding the rollercoaster (I must have looked a bit like the hitchhiker from from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.) cold sweat started pouring and then I made a run for the toilet and what happened was somewhere between puking and demonic exorcism... It felt like puking pieces of hard rubber and bits of evil being purged from my body (perhaps it was all the crap from the weekend before)... His toilet has a pencil drawing of something resembling the sun / sunshine and at that moment it looked like some sick joke...and I felt like a POW or a sort of neophyte trapped in this little sarcastic toilet/dungeon unable to do anything but try and expell the remaining pieces of car tire from my body untill I had finally shown I knew how to be truely Dirty Brown and Miserable...

After some lightheaded moments, where Dr.Einfach even checked my pulse etc. (which made me feel in good hands as he has plenty of experience handling emergency admissions of various cases being it substance abuse, psychosis, mania etc. and would have been one of the best to have around in case of trouble) we concluded it was just some sort of purge and there was no real reason for concern. After a little while I felt actually good, cleansed even...

After a little breather I decided this night wasn't finished and definately not like this and took out some trusted 4-HO-MET and dosed 19mg and 11mg for him and after a redose of 9mg and another 15mg for him I was having the best trip I've ever had unlike the earlier times where I noticed only some tracers and pulsating colors. The room was sometimes a see of fractal like glittering visuals. His cat sometimes was connected to a purlple long molecule like dynamic lattice of triangular shapes that adjusted its size when it moved. I was lauging in amazement and just saying almost shouting wow... Wow! At times the whole room seemed to morph into almost someting completely different at one time he even looked like a completely different person. When I went to the toilet I was amazed how friendly and nice it was, then I remembered this was the exact same place I had feld like an incarcerated POW only a few hours before and had a big laugh!

The contrast beteen the two perhaps the shedding of frustration or funky chicken maybe both of AL-LAD and the super friendly and deeply rewarding visuals and relaxation of 4-HO-MET made for one of the best nights I've had in a long time, as far as 4-HO-MET goes this was the best!

Strangely the 4-HO-MET didn't do much for my friend this time but there will be plenty more occasions..

For now we are looking for the perfect musical door opener, AL-LAD was ok, but will probably also explore the 2C's. (2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-E) Perhaps experience 2C-D's tofu properties...

IME 4-HO-MET is more fun and relaxation than anything productive, but after this I must say it is my favorite psychedelic.

 

[supersmoker27]

I tried this for the first time Friday at 15mg, my 7 year celebration of trippin!

Wow it's visual, lots of stimulating energy, walked through the park and saw all the Christmas lights, amazing! Then sat by my stove and the visuals got so intense I had to make sure I hadn't caught on fire cause my visuals were burning like the flames of a fire!
I definatley see how this can come off as "easy going" I did laugh quite a bit. not to say it can't be deep, I also got introspective and shed a few tears.
Body high was amazing, slightly erotic, feels like your body is a airplane taking off with magnificent force
Also ate a whole 12oz filet with champange about 3 hours in, first time eating a full meal on a 4-sub and first time eating a filet, what an incredible food! I didn't know meat could be that good, that soft.
NY's, ribeye, serloin, hate em, but a fillet, wow.

It was a refreshing trip, I ended up buying a guitar and ane-cig the next day, the trip probably had something to do with that lol.

Overall id say stimulating, very visual, slight nausea(threw up once), easy going, short lasting, intense.
My favorite 4-sub, and I've tried 4-ho-mipt, 4-aco-dmt, and mushrooms and of course 4-ho-met

 

[Peacephrog1972]

So is there a thread somewhere about potentiating these tryptamines with harmala?
Has anyone tried this? Am very interested.....and yes I do know the dangers, and would for sure adhere to a strict diet for 48 hours before/after

 

[Torresmo]

This one is really special!
In the 31st of december me and my friends went to a nearby river and took ~8mg of 5-meo-mipt. This was 2:00pm, and this dose didnt do much to us (I wonder why, this should be a strong one, right?), it just left us very relaxed, but no visuals at all.
Then at night we went to a party at a friends friend house. I was so tired from the day at the river that I wasnt enjoying the party at all, Also because I didnt know the majority of the people there. Even drinking wasnt helping.
Then a friend suggested that we take 4-ho-met. I resisted. I thought it was a bad idea because mentally and phisically i wasnt in a good place already and I thought it wouldnt do nothing because of the 5-meo-mipt we had earlier.
Happily, I was wrong about all of that! As soon as I drank the solution of 23mg o 4-ho-met, my mood changed, like really fast! I felt energy, and i felt a little more social. At first i thought this was just placebo, but this feeling just grew stronger and stronger. And this happened to the friends who took it too. The night went from boring to one of the most fun trips of my life. We just laughed to the point of crying the whole time! It was so good, reminded me of my first mushroom trips.
This one is definetly worth having 5g stocked! No wonder it is called "the favorite" by my friends that cant recall a name like 4-ho-met.

 

[Help?!?!]

Getting 4-HO-MET for the first time in years! Super excited and so many new compounds to combine it with!

 

[Xorkoth]

This one is really special!
In the 31st of december me and my friends went to a nearby river and took ~8mg of 5-meo-mipt. This was 2:00pm, and this dose didnt do much to us (I wonder why, this should be a strong one, right?), it just left us very relaxed, but no visuals at all.
Then at night we went to a party at a friends friend house. I was so tired from the day at the river that I wasnt enjoying the party at all, Also because I didnt know the majority of the people there. Even drinking wasnt helping.
Then a friend suggested that we take 4-ho-met. I resisted. I thought it was a bad idea because mentally and phisically i wasnt in a good place already and I thought it wouldnt do nothing because of the 5-meo-mipt we had earlier.
Happily, I was wrong about all of that! As soon as I drank the solution of 23mg o 4-ho-met, my mood changed, like really fast! I felt energy, and i felt a little more social. At first i thought this was just placebo, but this feeling just grew stronger and stronger. And this happened to the friends who took it too. The night went from boring to one of the most fun trips of my life. We just laughed to the point of crying the whole time! It was so good, reminded me of my first mushroom trips.
This one is definetly worth having 5g stocked! No wonder it is called "the favorite" by my friends that cant recall a name like 4-ho-met.

Nice! I do really like 4-HO-MET a lot, it's quite euphoric and happy. I wanted to mention that 5-MeO-MiPT has never given me any visuals at all, and I've taken it up to 12mg. Its value, to me, is the way it gives energy and euphoria, and it seems to be really good at helping me to break through energetic "loops" (anxiety, depression) that are resisting me breaking through them. It's a great day enhancer but it doesn't produce a full trip. Maybe it does at higher dosages, in fact I have heard a few reports of 20+mg doses being deeply psychedelic. I also hear that it's very intense smoked but the dosage is higher.

 

[Help?!?!]

Nice! I do really like 4-HO-MET a lot, it's quite euphoric and happy. I wanted to mention that 5-MeO-MiPT has never given me any visuals at all, and I've taken it up to 12mg. Its value, to me, is the way it gives energy and euphoria, and it seems to be really good at helping me to break through energetic "loops" (anxiety, depression) that are resisting me breaking through them. It's a great day enhancer but it doesn't produce a full trip. Maybe it does at higher dosages, in fact I have heard a few reports of 20+mg doses being deeply psychedelic. I also hear that it's very intense smoked but the dosage is higher.

I recommend smoking it, ask MGS, if I remember correctly he enjoys it a lot as well. It's also not as bad as waste goes since higher doses last around four hours or so smoked!

 

[Xorkoth]

I was under the impression it lasted maybe an hour smoked.

 

[Help?!?!]

I was under the impression it lasted maybe an hour smoked.

Check eroweird, it ain't no DMT my brother! The doses really aren't that horrendous either!

 

[Torresmo]

Nice! I guess I will try it smoked, soon. I am just waiting for my GVG to arrive.
Note that this day I probably had some tolerance, since I took 55mg of AMT the day before. But a friend that was with me did not take AMT the day before and also didnt fell anything extraordinary.
From what I recall, 5-meo-mipt just put me in a very relaxed mood and body feel. No visuals, but the effects were there.
We were in the open, in a BEAUTIFUL place, and spending a lot of energy swimming and diving, and I always feel like this kind of environment makes the experience easier and smoother. Like, 55mg of AMT in the same kind of environment was mostly underwhelming.
I read a lot of people here in BL saying 5-meo-mipt gives you strong body energy and that you should spend it somehow, or it might be overwhelming, so I guess this fits my theory. The same dose in an apartment would possibly be too much.