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Dissociatives [Methoxetamine Subthread] Combinations - 2nd experiment

The residual stimulation can get pretty annoying, especially if you've redosed or taken higher doses... Weed only seems to make it worse. Knock out doses of benzos will do the trick.

Small doses (.25mg alprazolam for me) seem to cause an odd synergystic effect with MXE and bring out the dissociation again with less stimulation, it's kind of like a zolpidem sort of vibe but more lucid.

Without benzos, drinking a few beers is probably the best way to go about it. Hops in beer has some mild sedative compounds in it that help make the "beer drunk" a more sedating one than say vodka. I find it hugely helps to turn off all the lights and go lie in bed, with some quiet ambient music (something you could fall asleep to) and then close your eyes. It's easy to then do some basic meditation techniques and quickly go into to a very relaxed state, which then turns into a trance that slowly fades into some barely conscious state until you drift off to sleep.
 
St3ve said:
Had a go at smoking salvia whilst on MXE this weekend.

40mg of MXE had been consumed prior in the night intranassaly in two lines with a close friend keeping me company also on MXE. I was no longer on the peak of MXE but effects were still very apparent.

I loaded up my pipe with 5x salvia extract and held the lighter over the bowl the whole time I was inhaling. I did my best to not cough up all the smoke and held it in as long as was possible. I exhaled and smoked the rest what was in the bowl. As I put down the bowl I could feel that familiar salvia body feeling creeping in, as if every inch of my skin was doing its best to squeeze out all the sweat I had in me. My vision went very blurry, and bits of my room were smeared across my visual field as I moved my eyes around the room. Then I felt a bit like an accordeon being pressed together. I stood up to stop this sensation and realized that the music had become part of my visual environment and that it sounded/looked most unpleasant. I was overcome by a deep sense of helplessness, like a child who had momentarily lost his parents. I tried to change the music that was playing but couldn't read the names of songs on my computer anymore. I left the music for what it was and walked around a bit. I closed my eyes and noted some CEVs, I could also feel what I was seeing in my body (it was neither pleasant or unpleasant).

Then the peak effects of the salvia began to wear off. The after effects of salvia appeared to last longer than they usually do, or at least were more noticeable. This feeling is much more pleasant than the salvia peak, I felt relaxed and content, although my vision was still somewhat blurry and there were small colourful triangle moving around on everything (a sort of enhanced visual noise).

All in all the experience was not very fun and I doubt I will repeat it any time soon. This shouldn't come as a surprise as I usually don't enjoy the effects of salvia very much, but I was curious how these two very different dissociatives would mix.
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Awesome! Interesting experience. If you prefer the more gentle effects of salvia, you could try to chew the dried leaves. I do it for 30 minutes. 2g of dried leaves are not too much. 4g however is kind of hard to keep in my mouth for 30 minutes. I did 20+25 mg MXE and 2+2 g of salvia, it was energetic and colourful, really fun.
 
St3ve said:
Without benzos, drinking a few beers is probably the best way to go about it. Hops in beer has some mild sedative compounds in it that help make the "beer drunk" a more sedating one than say vodka.
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quoted for truth

drinking a few beers after coming down not only helps me sleep, but helps me to feel more grounded to reality the next day.
 
Awesome! Interesting experience. If you prefer the more gentle effects of salvia, you could try to chew the dried leaves. I do it for 30 minutes. 2g of dried leaves are not too much. 4g however is kind of hard to keep in my mouth for 30 minutes. I did 20+25 mg MXE and 2+2 g of salvia, it was energetic and colourful, really fun.
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I've only got a pinch of 5x extract left, my friend gave it to as he had it lying around and was not planning on doing anything with it. It does say on there to take it sublingually and that effects should start to creep in within a few minuts and last up to 45 minutes! Is taking it this way more comparable to repeatedly smoking small amounts or is it a different experience altogether? I've almots always had negative experiences with high doses of salvia. Low doses can range from doing next to nothing to causing uncontrollable laughter, seemingly random.
 
St3ve said:
I've only got a pinch of 5x extract left, my friend gave it to as he had it lying around and was not planning on doing anything with it. It does say on there to take it sublingually and that effects should start to creep in within a few minuts and last up to 45 minutes! Is taking it this way more comparable to repeatedly smoking small amounts or is it a different experience altogether? I've almots always had negative experiences with high doses of salvia. Low doses can range from doing next to nothing to causing uncontrollable laughter, seemingly random.
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I've only tried chewing unconcentrated leaves, and couldn't attain a high dose because of the unconvenience of the method. In my experience, the feeling reminds me of the one when I can feel the effect of smoked salvia, just under the threshold where it becomes psychedelic. Only the experience is dilated in time (it starts after approx. 20 minutes of chewing, and for me lasts something like 30 minutes, 30-90 according to erowid). Compared to smoking, the body high is smoother, more agreable.

I would like to try chewing a concentrated extract, but I don't have any at the moment. I wonder if you can attain the same psychedelic state as a smoked high dose.

With MXE, it gave me trails, that typical salvia warmth, enhanced visual perceptions (searching for some weed on the table was a very interesting experience, like my vision was zoomed and it was a landscape), the music sounded loud and good, moving patches of colour with eyes closed, colour shifts (when the music became happy, the colours of the room changed), clear mind. When looking long enough at the computer screen, it would become 3D and some letters would start moving. At some point everything felt like it was inflating. I felt really euphoric, energized. My sense of distances was biased, I was repeatedly missing objects while trying to grab them (this happened to me once on smoked salvia). Also I felt like my lips were locked in the position that they had while I was holding the salvia in my mouth lol. When the effects subsided a little, I felt like I could read and type really fast.
 
MXE + bupropion

coolcucumber said:
In the end it was absolutely fine. I think I'd probably metabolised it by that point anyway, so I can't actually speak of interaction issues.
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FYI, I know someone well who is chronically on Buproprion at 200mg/day and has taken MXE on about 30 separate occurances at many different dosage levels including ones so strong as to induce complete dissolution of self for some amount of time.

All of these experiences have wound up extremely positive and he has not noticed any side effects.

Additionally, FYI, he tells me probably over 3/4 of these experiences also involved ingesting a full dose of GBL (i.e. GHB precursor) and several also while smoking Cannabis Sativa.
 
Well... that was a blackout...

I took 80mg of white batch from China last night with 13mg of 4-HO-MET and the 6 beers I had already drank... and then proceeded to black out until about 30 minutes ago. So I lost about 3 hours...

But I'm at a strong +++ with my roommate wide awake... this should be an interesting day to say the least........

Especially since everything is moving so much I'm nauseous... like I have vertigo...
 
So 7mg of plugged 4-HO-MET with what I approximate to be 10-15mg of recrystallized leftover MXE from a previous plugged experiment with MXE plus whatever was in the syringe plus a 40 of Budweiser almost led to me going to the hospital. There has to be some nasty interaction between the 3 because that's twice now and I've had 4-HO-MET in the past with alcohol (vodka) in much higher dose and had no problems.

Needless to say from now on I'm going to be much more careful... It took 20mg of sublingual 5mg diazepam pills spaced 10-15 minutes apart to get my rapidly escalating heart rate (was 160 and rising, I know the tryptamine toxic feeling from being hospitalized before) to go down and it basically killed the trip.

I'm apt to blame the alcohol and MXE combo... They seem to be quite unpredictable from reading this thread and honestly I wasnt even thinking about it. My MXE is now set on a once a month calender reminder and I will make sure that if I choose to use 4-HO-MET again that it is sans-alcohol and especially MXE (a 40 isn't enough to get me drunk, my Irish and German blood leaves quite a high natural tolerance).

Gonna be real careful with this stuff. It's a shame too because if it was like ketamine, I could think of so many uses for it.
 
Never ever combine booze with antiglutamatergic dissociatives! One beer followed by a breakthrough dose of ketamine has been enough to make me puke on some occasions, but large amounts of alcohol with said substance or MXE reliably do. Never has been unsettling in any way or caused my heart to go crazy.
 
crOOk said:
Never ever combine booze with antiglutamatergic dissociatives! One beer followed by a breakthrough dose of ketamine has been enough to make me puke on some occasions, but large amounts of alcohol with said substance or MXE reliably do. Never has been unsettling in any way or caused my heart to go crazy.
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Peacephrog1972 said:
I think out of the 100 some odd times I did MXE I didn't drink mass amounts of beer once....no reactions
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As I said I think the combination of the three is the problem. I've been drinking beer tonight and my pulse is roughly 85. I have taken MXE and it seems to be neutral in the heart department, if not actually sedating to my heart dropping a normal 80BPM resting to 75 or so. I've had 4-HO-MET and it raises my pulse to 85-90. Combine the three though and there is no doubt in my mind last night that tachycardia was going to get worse.

I've had 5 6% beers tonight which is enough to get me buzzed pretty hard and I'm buzzing pretty hard but my heart is not pissed at all and I stopped drinking about an hour ago so the glutamate rebound should already be in effect. But I don't get that rebound until the next day generally but I've noticed MXE and alcohol causes a noticeable increase of my pulse to around 100BPM. It's not inconceivable that introducing 4-HO-MET would cause more issues especially since I plugged it this last time which means no first pass metabolism to chew it down to size.

Mistakes were made all the way around. What I offer is a word of caution when mixing those three as that's now two times that I had a disaster doing so while the same batch of 4-HO-MET without either provided a lovely psychedelic headspace with both massive open and closed eye visuals at 9mg without a hint of malaise besides slight dehydration which to be honest, I don't drink enough fluids in the day anyway.
 
I agree that alcohol with ketamine is a terrible combination, but MXE combines with it pretty well, though the alcohol reduces the "magic" of the MXE. I usually end up having a few beers on the tail end of MXE to good effect. It doesn't seem to react in the same way as ketamine at all.

I will say though that MXE seems to dehydrate you, as, of course, does alcohol. I always try to drink enough water regardless in every day, but especially when drinking or taking MXE (or both). I'll drink a glass of water periodically when I take MXE, and one for each alcoholic drink (often I don't actually drink one for one but I just try to make sure I'm hydrated).
 
wow...i never noticed ant dehydrating effects at all, and my typical event would be 6-12 beers and 100mg MXE spaced throughout 12 hours...with large amounts of kind bud and benzos...and if the day was right, opiates.........yes, i was and could still be a poly drug abuse candidate...i choose not to reacquaint micelf with MXE
 
4-aco-met + mxe is so similar to rolling it isn't even funny. 7mg 4-aco-met orally + 25-30mg MXE plugged had me in a state of absolute universal bliss. High as a kite but not inebriated in the least, just like rolling is for me. The feelings of love are even stronger with this combo than MDMA for me. The euphoria seems to be tied more to the source, the universal consciousness, etc. than to the effects of the drugs themselves as MDMA is.
 
Don't tell me that... Lol. I'm on 23mg of 4-HO-MET and a lot of beers that resulted in blackout and awakening to +++ but my roommate is so mad at me but he can't help but not be mad because everything is so God damn funny to me right now... But more importantly is the very direct and strong spiritual side. Wouldn't surprise me if miss Fairuza herself makes an attack on me in the near future... Because I went right through her. Past her eyes that were psycho just for the movie while she desperately hung on to her own beliefs (she's a wiccan)... I kind of dove into her eyes and I don't think I was supposed to be in that zone... I honestly don't think she even knows how to respond to the intrusion because she's aware of it... But she feels a connection with me from past life... Maybe with her money she can make sense of it but you can be damn sure she will be trying to find out more about the man that wrecked her shields and dove in her soul last night :)

This trip has done a lot for me........... But as a light worker........ I may have to let my partner go... Its going to come down to him or my manifest destiny.... And he's not going to win... And I'm lying here with my right eye tearing a single tear... But the universe has plans and booty calls were sadly left out.

It doesn't get much more spiritual for me in fact this is the only drug that ever capitalized on my ability to read people by their eyes by extending it even further. I know things about Fairuza on the set of the Craft...... How hard she fought to separate her beliefs from the acting... When she was directing them at the same time on how to be more authentic without losing the Hollywood appeal. I mean hell she actually bought the new age store that they had in the movie and she only recently let it go because of spiritual ties that she wants nothing to do with.... All that... Through her eyes... Through a movie... Which I'm about to watch again...
 
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