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MDxx Pills Disappearing... Piperazine Pills Taking Over?

Adelaide's held up pretty well, in the last 2 years i have not taken a known piperazine and have only seen 1 which was last week (green fish). Only suss pill ive had was red apple macs that tasted sweet but had no effect at all.
Fingers crossed S.A stays piperazines shit free..
 
In Melbourne I've seen less straight up pipes and more mdxx/bzp -ish combos in recent times.

Not that either is excusable...

Would be useful if we had a tester especially for piperazines? Sad to think one would need it really... it might be handy to be able to distinguish between what sort of piperazine you get jibbed with, though.
 
Biscuit said:
Piperonal is an MDXX precursor, not piperidine. Completely different chemicals.

Piperonal can be made into MD-P2P, the precursor for MDMA. However, it is much more easily made into MDA via an entirely different route. It is the route Shulgin used to make many of the substances in PIHKAL, from the various ring substituted benzaldehydes. Possession of piperonal will certainly land you in some bother.

Piperazines are becoming increasingly common in pills these days. A person I know who has seen countless lab results of pills over the last 8 or so years never saw piperazines until the past 12-18 months. Now lab results are routinely showing up as piperazines. They are still in the vast minority, but it is a lot more than the zero the person saw over the years before that.
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Hi Biscuit, not seen any of your posts for a while, always good to read your input.

A few Piperazines is too many IMHO
 
Things seem to have got a lot worse in the last 3 weeks since I bought pills.

Has anyone else noticed the price of the legit pills increase? I have from 1 source.
 
i agree with hyroller.
A test kit for pipes would be good. This would beat the pills that have mdxx added to fool the currently available test kits. Then we'd start to see reports of pills to avoid on here and pillreports.com
 
Jakeperson said:
A little off topic but Smiggle I saw your DP laughing at me in the darkness one night whilst tripping.
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Hmmm that's not a very good thing to see while tripping, did you freak out? Maybe PM me that so this doesn't get off-topic in the thread. I wish I could still trip these days but due to mental illnesses I am unable to trip without it ending badly...
 
hyroller said:
In Melbourne I've seen less straight up pipes and more mdxx/bzp -ish combos in recent times.

Not that either is excusable...

Would be useful if we had a tester especially for piperazines? Sad to think one would need it really... it might be handy to be able to distinguish between what sort of piperazine you get jibbed with, though.
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Yes, this would be extremely helpful and I think it would make people wizen up a bit as well seeing as the people out their who don't use BL don't seem to have a clue what piperazines are.

Also some can be extremely dangerous when mixed with other substances so it would be good to have a little booklet with the testers to warn people of this.
 
smiggle said:
Also some can be extremely dangerous when mixed with other substances so it would be good to have a little booklet with the testers to warn people of this.
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Pips and MDMA is a bad mix, which is really fucked up, seeing as it is likely that some pip pills are getting some MDMA mixed in to confuse the testers:X
 
mangs said:
Things seem to have got a lot worse in the last 3 weeks since I bought pills.

Has anyone else noticed the price of the legit pills increase? I have from 1 source.
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not even, unless u have a dickhead dealer, that when he gets good biks he ups the price. fuck that.
 
Well I've heard that the price of 100 and 1000 packs have dropped dramatically from certain people and found out that those pills are pipes and then from the people who have got legit MDxx pills the price hasn't changed at all... So you can guess what people are buying up on, the cheap ones obviously even though they are crap!
 
smiggle said:
Well I've heard that the price of 100 and 1000 packs have dropped dramatically from certain people and found out that those pills are pipes and then from the people who have got legit MDxx pills the price hasn't changed at all... So you can guess what people are buying up on, the cheap ones obviously even though they are crap!
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Or maybe they are trying to get rid of it at low cost even for what they bought it for cos nobody wants em. I remember when i was offered 200, years ago, i asked if i could smell the bag and didnt smell like anything. Mates bought 2-3 to try em out and i just licked it and said these are pips man. Some dealers just buy anything thats round and colored then there wondering why no one wants them or people who take em back. These pips just ruined the whole scene. Cant beleive there are so many of em. Its illegal here so i dont get why there is so much of it around.
 
Thats a load of crap, i've been offered pips and theyve always wanted the same price as normal ones, because nearly all dealers really actually know what shit they have, they arent stupid they play it safe. BUT, on the other hand most ppl that go out there and buy bulk dont get much of a chance to test a pill because some situation arrises like ur stuck in a car in the dark looking at some fucken piece of shit pink pip pill that smells like uve just been to the liquice convention!!
Basically if anyones looking for any decent pills atm gl, last good pills(and not really that good avg) i ran into were fk cant even remember... white lvs (1st batch)
 
heard from a friend that price for bulk of ghosts, was 15-20% more, cos "these are better than all the other shit going around"

Maybe the dealers read the thread where most of us said we would pay more for a decent goob versus by crap cheap!!!!!!
 
baysieguy1 said:
heard from a friend that price for bulk of ghosts, was 15-20% more, cos "these are better than all the other shit going around"

Maybe the dealers read the thread where most of us said we would pay more for a decent goob versus by crap cheap!!!!!!
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Well they can charge more if its decent quality. A bean over there same as where i lived was a price of a big mac lol

Id rather pay the price of 2 bigmacs for quality hehe, thats what happens when the demand is big, prices drop and so does quality. I remember paying 4-5 times the amount in 2000 but was awesome. Not that many people were into it as now, or atleast in the town i lived in.
 
OHHHHHH MAAAAANNNNNNNN.

Had a Piperazine cap on friday night, after telling myself I wouldnt take any pills until the quality got better.

Was a pipe, was so many kinds of pissed off.

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU
 
m3bmw1989 said:
OHHHHHH MAAAAANNNNNNNN.

Had a Piperazine cap on friday night, after telling myself I wouldnt take any pills until the quality got better.

Was a pipe, was so many kinds of pissed off.

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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U took a capsule? Theres no way in a world id take a capsule unless me or my best mate made em. Anything could be in there. Dont know why people bother with pills anyway. Dude look into something else and when theres quality beans then stock up for rainy days.
 
The pill market

I've no degree in business, but I'm sure with the current trend of poor pill quality recently it will affect what we're buying, how we're buying it, how much we pay and the overall quality. Can anyone shed a little more light on the subject?
Also, what will happen if everyone stops buying pills? The average pill quality has gotten to the point where for the average user its not worth the time, effort, cash and possible cross with the law. Pillreports.com shows some interesting results recently... For the month of May 56% of pills reported on were Adulterated / Unknown / Non-active, which is a massive jump considering April shows 24% and March 19%. I think I see a trend... I'm aware PR is not the best source for data, but I'm sure even the most inexperienced reporter can tell them difference between MDxx, Non-active and Adulterants. Does anyone know how this will affect the market for pills??
 
I know prices can't be stated but since 2002 the prices have halfed at singles and ten packs. They have decreased significantly in larger quantities obviously - but this basically explains why the quality has decreased. Also when there is shit around, you only need to make slightly better shit to beat the competition. People can buy more pills today than they used to for the same price but will need to take twice as many. Experienced users probably wouldn't waste their money on the shit, but when it is all that is around you take the best of what is out there. The pill market will not suffer because the newer generations don't know the difference between fukt and mdma loved up.
 
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