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General Election 2015

Which party would you cast your vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • Labour

    Votes: 8 16.7%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Greens

    Votes: 14 29.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • BNP

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • SNP

    Votes: 6 12.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • None of the above (feel free to post in thread)

    Votes: 11 22.9%
  • Total voters
    48
  • Poll closed .
Sometimes when i hear cameron and osbourne i get this creeping feeling that they're going to bring in a v for vendetta style government in the face of some pre-planned international conflict (maybe i should read less dystopias (or more))
 
reality in britain is as bleak and miserable as any dystopian fiction I've read in ages.

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Tory officials threatened the BBC during the election says Miliband's strategist

Baldwin writes: “BBC executives and journalists have told me that there were regular, repeated threats from senior Tories during this election campaign about ‘what would happen afterwards’ if they did not fall into line.

He says: “It is a disturbing suggestion that a democratically elected government would seek to stamp on and silence dissent from an independent broadcaster.”

But he claims there “has been a long-standing campaign by the Conservative party, fueled by the commercial interests of sections of the press, to attack the world’s most successful state-funded public service broadcaster as a giant leftwing conspiracy”.
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It looks like they're going punish them anyway (for some reason), what with David Cameron wanting to decriminalise non-payment of the TV licence.
 
felix said:
Wait a minute, 123. Did you seriously just make a post in a drug forum to try and find out who "wob" the election? :D

That's even worse than the feckless fannies on Facebook who make a post asking for the telephone number of a local Chinese restaurant.
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You got it mate;)
 
swedger77 said:
Who are these idiots who voted en-mass for this???
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They are, as others have noted, mostly deeply misinformed folk who probably truly believe the line they are being fed that if they want to have their taxes very slightly cut (at least on the surface) whilst being guaranteed no cuts to essential services cos it'll all be taken from benefit scroungers, layabouts and immigrants who are the the source of all worldy woes then voting for far right or extreme right parties (ie almost all "options" availavble to certainly the England-based voter, not far from that for residents of other (current) UK nations).

I do believe a similar effect explains the apparently huge swing towards UKIP support. Once again I would argue that these supporters are no new phenomenon. Rather they are the self-same bogoted, selfish ignoramusus that traditionally voted Labour under the impressiom that doing so would make their lives easier by blaming rich folk and subsidisng their own unliveable wages and conditions via the meium of "squeezing the pips" from them. It's all just finger-pointing and hand-waving to mask the root causes in the search for easy answers when they only true solutions are very difficult ones that are verboten to discuss publicly and are simply mocked as being extreme and beyond the pale (apologies to sammy and co for tongue in cheek use of vernacular) when they are in fact pretty damn sensible compared to the insane trajectory of obfuscation and outright lies we have been on for... all of recorded history more or less.

Fuck fuedlism. Doubly so when the "peasantry" have been cowed and confused into repeatedly voting for it via the pretence of there being other options "allowable" to actually vote for.
 
There were some studies in the US over the past few years that clearly demonstrated that people just above the poverty line don't give a shit about people below it, and think that they somehow deserve to be there. That somehow it's their fault, and that "we got where we are through hard work". Similarly, middle-class people (in American terms) think that those people just above the poverty line also deserve to be there, and they couldn't give a shit about them either.

I suspect that the same thing is in effect here too. Working class people don't care about poor people. Poor people don't give a shit about even poorer people. That's how the mainstream media and governments going back to - how long? - have trained the masses to think.

That's why we have a fucking Tory government.
 
Glad you liked it Felix :).

Of course, the alternate reality he speaks of would necessarily involve a massive shift in public discourse, which the media would do all in their power to prevent and will not happen overnight, but we have to start from somewhere.
 
Why are people still falling for this protection racket for that is all it is. A protection racket started by the royal family and gods servants and whoever before a long time ago. They makes the money and they wants the money back. Ha ha abolish money and barter.
 
Sham my and that is exactly what isn't being said in the media about labour. It's easy to say ex milliband coz that's easy. The ugly truth for labour is they lost a lot of voters to ukip. The money behind ukip is pretty big. And how does the socialist worker party still exist? All the other left lil parties from back in the day disappeared. They are and odd bunch.
 
felix said:
There were some studies in the US over the past few years that clearly demonstrated that people just above the poverty line don't give a shit about people below it, and think that they somehow deserve to be there. That somehow it's their fault, and that "we got where we are through hard work". Similarly, middle-class people (in American terms) think that those people just above the poverty line also deserve to be there, and they couldn't give a shit about them either.

I suspect that the same thing is in effect here too. Working class people don't care about poor people. Poor people don't give a shit about even poorer people. That's how the mainstream media and governments going back to - how long? - have trained the masses to think.

That's why we have a fucking Tory government.
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People are definitely trained into thinking this way - i don't believe it's natural - it's an easier sell in america as 'individualism' has always been a big part of their culture (and being a settler culture, so has needing to rationalise oppression of the poor/slaves/natives). I remember reading about the polling of british people's attitudes to unemployed people: up until the early 90s, the vast majority of people had sympathy for poor/unemployed people and would blame bosses or government - by the mid-noughties the polling had reversed - this was achieved by a long term media campaign of demonising people on benefits, including bbc daytime programs about scroungers, jeremy kyle, etc etc. (occuring mostly under new labour i might add). This sort of mind control is a level before actual news bias and is much more insidious. A similar mind control project is ongoing (also instigated under labour) to promote the military and the glory of former wars.

Without dealing with the power over the public's minds that our elite enjoys we'll never beat them.

I have to take issue with dissing 'squeezing the pips' though shambles - i'd say that's natural justice (though i would being poor). In simplistic (but largely true) terms, the rich are rich because of the actions of the poor who make their widgets for them - the rich are only as rich as the difference between what they pay the poor and the actual value of the widgets. I know there are various categories of rich and poor who don't fit this, but ultimately, that difference is still where the wealth comes from. The capitalists would have us believe that only by having them and their genetically superior randian-hero minds do we get the innovation, but i think that's bullshit (exhibit A: the entire computer industry which is often given as an example of capitalist innovation was developed by massive government/military investment over decades - capitalists would never have taken that risk)

Edit: Good link Spudgun - i particularly liked the sentence "...the return of the Tories with a scarcely believable majority feels like being grabbed under the armpits and tossed into an oubliette of solipsistic rage. " (though it might not win back any 'decent, hard-working, down to earth' ukippers ("he's speaking french nigel!"))
 
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