General Election 2015

[One Thousand Words]

Heh. My Facebook is full of images of English people attempting to cross the border, like Cuban refugees in liferafts. :D

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Careful, next they will want to be able to wear their head dresses into banks and cause chaos

 

[Ceres]

 

[Droppersneck]

Is it true it is even illegal to offroad your 4x4 in Britain? I believe I saw them mention that on topgear

 

[Ceres]

it should be illegal to watch top gear in britain.

 

[Don Luigi]

it should be illegal to watch top gear in britain.

Ingestion, however, should be compulsory

 

[BecomingJulie]

Is it true it is even illegal to offroad your 4x4 in Britain? I believe I saw them mention that on topgear

You'd certainly need permission from the landowner; it would be aggravated trespass with criminal damage to the land itself [Criminal Justice Act 1994] *spit*. There could be other restrictions in force, preventing them from even allowing you to do that. And if you were driving the vehicle for more than 800 metres on the public highway between exactly two places which you owned or where you had some business to be, then it would need to be roadworthy according to the MOT test -- if you were driving it on the public highway at all, then you would need insurance, road tax and a valid driving licence (including compliance with any special requirements; e.g. must have automatic transmission if passed test in an automatic, learner driver requires appropriate supervisor, &c).

On the other hand, it's only illegal if you get caught.

 

[felix]

That sounds like English law to me.

 

[Hamish Harrumph]

Is it true it is even illegal to offroad your 4x4 in Britain?

Does it matter? Most people use them to drive their children two streets to school, then another two, to the office where they work.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

 

[Vurtual]

Julie: However dodgy it can become when you centralise power, unions and the links to labour were set up like that as a worker-based (at least theoretically) counterweight to the influence of money on the establishment parties. The block vote of being able to hire lobbyists, or just pop round your chipping norton mates' house is much worse a problem. I'm mostly not a fan of the current unions which seem to be a bit selfish and lacking the concept of solidarity (apart from bob crow (peace be upon him) and len mclusky at a push) - i'm all for the wobblies (IWW) method though (ie just have one big union for everyone (and anarcho-syndicalism) - pretty much illegal in britain now).

Droppersneck: A more 'libertarian' green party (in the way i think you mean) would just be the same as the tories: saying they want to save the planet, but not wanting to impinge on the freedom of everyday people (meaning billionaires) to actually do anything. While libertarians (at least the american influenced variety) think government is the worst thing in the world, getting popular control of government is the only way the majority of powerless people have any chance of protecting ourselves against the power of wealth (however small a chance it seems right now). I'm an anarchist, so ultimately i would want to get rid of centralised government and replace it with bottom up direct democracy, but until we're anywhere near that, government is often our only protection - if that protection has been diminished over the last decades, the answer is to fight to get the power back; not let the foxes completely run the henhouse.

Libertarianism just accepts that the people who happen to already be massively rich should be able to run the world and there's nothing anyone can do about it (this is always how the 'free' market works) - but it's alright cos i can own a gun, i don't have to pay tax or not say nigger (but i still live in a hovel with no water supply or electricity cos they're unprofitable). Plus if someone like charles kock, ayn rand and ron paul want something, i'm pretty sure it won't be good for people like me and (i assume) you. Feudalism didn't work out so great for the peasants last time - i don't suppose neo-feudalism will be any better.

 

[Sammy G]

Droppersneck: A more 'libertarian' green party (in the way i think you mean) would just be the same as the tories: saying they want to save the planet, but not wanting to impinge on the freedom of everyday people (meaning billionaires) to actually do anything.

Remember 'Vote blue, get green'? :D

 

[Ceres]

Good for that guy who made the sign, it's apalling how many right wingers are telling people to shut up and accept it.

 

[itsonlyme123]

Who wob the election?

 

[Ceres]

the arseholes. (in england)

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Who wob the election?

Wobbing Tory bastards.

 

[felix]

Wait a minute, 123. Did you seriously just make a post in a drug forum to try and find out who "wob" the election? :D

That's even worse than the feckless fannies on Facebook who make a post asking for the telephone number of a local Chinese restaurant.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

^

I think you need to go back and check 123's earlier posts.

 

[felix]

Gotcha.

EDIT: And by that, I mean... yes, I think he did just do that.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

It was a continuation of the joke "wob", which was a typo in his first post. There, I've spelt out the joke for you.

Now help me.

"Under Ed Miliband Labour embarked on a new age hippy trip" - today's leader in the Telegraph (which is being repeated as if it's the truth and not a quote all over the media now)

"I've quit the Labour Party because of its anti-business agenda" - Lord CuntFace Sugar, today.

I must have not been watching for the last six weeks/five years. Can somebody please give me links to the new age hippy trip and Mr Ed's anti-business stance. Y'know, just in case they slip into the collective memory as unchallenged accepted facts. Heaven forfend.

Kthx

SHM.

 

[Vurtual]

This is the tyranny of people's minds that is the media - "news in today: up is down", or "labour spending caused the banking crisis", or "there's no money and the economy is like a credit card", or "benefit scroungers are taking your money" "austerity will cause growth" etc. The power of the corporate media to set the boundaries of debate and define what's beyond the pale makes people believe shit like this despite it being obviously and provably untrue - now the crowing media in the flush of their 'success' is doing its best to frame the agenda as 'labour needs to be more blairite to win the election (and if you're really good you can have a neoliberal with a northen accent)' (burnham).

The cynic in me thinks the bilderbergers (or whichever flavour of 'they' you prefer) were quite happy to have an ed miliband character they could use to discredit the brownite end of labour (still neoliberal, but not enough for them it seems) - they maybe panicked near the end when it seemed he might have a chance, but turning up operation bacon sandwich and operation evil haggis invaders came good in the end.