General Election 2015

[Don Luigi]

:D

I don't think we're looking at this from the right angle.

 

[BecomingJulie]

An orderly triangle would surely have the narrow end at the top and the wide end at the bottom. So you would want the most popular item to be last, not first.

If it was an Isosceles triangle you wanted to make, you'd have to try to aim for the most popular option to be in the middle, and the least popular ones first and last.

I'm now imagining a sitcom set in a sort of care home populated by severe obsessive-compulsive disorder sufferers .....

 

[lurching]

An orderly triangle would surely have the narrow end at the top and the wide end at the bottom. So you would want the most popular item to be last, not first.

If it was an Isosceles triangle you wanted to make, you'd have to try to aim for the most popular option to be in the middle, and the least popular ones first and last.

I'm now imagining a sitcom set in a sort of care home populated by severe obsessive-compulsive disorder sufferers .....

Sinefeld (it'd be a periodic series)

 

[felix]

 

[felix]

I may be a prosecco socialist, but at least I went out to protest - Charlotte Church

 

[Tangerine Dream]

Burn it down.

Hey, SHM's line is catchy.

 

[Ceres]

its interesting that foreign policy has barely been talked about atall during the election, surprising given all those videos of mental cases cutting off peoples heads in syria where they mention david cameron directly.

 

[Don Luigi]

It's probably best that he's not trying to flex those particular muscles that he doesn't have. The UK's power projection is greatly diminished without aircraft carriers. The reason they're able to do air strikes against IS is that they have an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean aka. Cyprus.

I know it's not strictly foreign policy, but the only thing I heard during the election campaign was squabbles over the nuclear deterrent. I'm sure the party leaders must have been asked foreign policy questions by the electorate at some point.

We need a man like Donald Trump, who knows exactly what he would do with IS..and also sometimes refers to themselves in the third person..

https://youtu.be/CKBEzEKSAOc?t=43s

 

[Ceres]

christ, trump is completely off his rocker. that's like something out of the film Idiocracy.

There was support for bombing of Iraq (although not Syria) in parliament a few months back. But the British involvement in this has been costly and ineffective. According to the Guardian there have been around 200 bombs and missiles used:

'The cost of British weapons used against Isis targets by Tornados and Reapers amounts so far to over £13m, and probably significantly more. The figure does not include the cost of fuelling and maintaining the aircraft, including RAF Sentry command and control planes, Sentinel surveillance aircraft and Hercules transport planes.'

Cameron’s supporters would love a return to the glory days of empire. His new cabinet leaves in place Philip Hammond as Foreign Secretary and Michael Fallon at Defence. Right wingers both, they will continue backing a more aggressive attitude to Russia and will support ongoing Nato expansion. They will support Trident renewal to the hilt in the name of defence. They will oppose cuts in the military and accept the Nato-ordained 2% of GDP to be spent on the military.

their plan seems to be remain as americas whore.

also http://longtermplan.org.uk/

 

[Vurtual]

Likely no different to what labour's foreign policy plan would have been on past performance (same orders from washington)

 

[Vurtual]

Good article on the election by the excellent Nafeez Ahmed: https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/how-big-money-and-big-brother-won-the-british-elections-2e8da57faac4

a taste:

The best democracy money can buy


As of the end of last year, the Electoral Commission found that the Tories received the largest amount of donations, at £8,345,687, the bulk of which came from financiers associated with banks, the hedge fund industry, and big business. Two million pounds worth of donations were associated with hedge funds, and a further £4 million with people attending private dinners hosted by senior Tories.

Next up in donations was Labour at £7,163,988, much of which came from trade unions, as well as corporate donors like PricewaterhouseCoopers, a major proponent of corporate tax avoidance; then the Liberal Democrats with £3,038,500, UKIP with £1,505,055, and the Green Party with £248,520.

That was last year. This year, donations continued to come in. In the final week of the campaign, the Tories managed to raise 10 times more donations than Labour — a total of a further £1.36 million — once again largely from hedge fund managers, property tycoons, and a telecoms firm that has avoided paying corporation tax in the UK since 2007.

Political parties appear to have achieved electoral success in direct proportion to the amount of money received to fund their political campaigns, indicating that the most important precondition for victory in Britain’s broken democracy is the party’s subservience to corporate power.

...

Over the last five years, 41% of all individual and corporate donations to British party political-related causes have come from just 76 extremely wealthy people, including City financiers, corporate moguls, and owners of multi-million pound businesses.

There's loads more including stuff about shadowy right wing groups of donors and mi5/6 people controlling ukip. Tinfoil, but respectable, well-researched hard to refute tinfoil.

 

[Ceres]

that is pretty sinister, and fairly believable too.

 

[Vurtual]

Nafeez is one of the more believable journalists imo - especially since he was dropped from the guardian for talking about gas reserves in gaza. If you haven't, read his articles about right wing extremists in government and the one on the still-being-covered-up latest HSBC fraud (ive probably linked them before)

 

[ponch]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...hinging-why-the-Left-are-such-bad-losers.html

 

[Sammy G]

When you live your life on Twitter and Facebook, and are only friends with like minded people on Twitter and Facebook, you are not living in the real world. You are living in a narcissistic echo chamber. No wonder it has come as such a surprise to so many that not everyone shares the same world view.

This struck a chord with me. I've never been a Twitter or Facebook user, but up until my early twenties, I had surrounded myself with friends who were either active leftists, or adopted the left-wing stance that was arbitrary for anybody involved in the indie boho scene. My workplaces had been charities and the like, where a copy of the Sun would never be seen, apart from on a Monday, when some guys used to read the football write-ups. I worked in one place where said newspaper was banned. The Mail and Torygraph were nowhere to be seen.

Once I had to leave this cosseted world, it took time to adjust to the attitudes of people outside this circle, and it was a difficult process. Many people are either ignorant, driven solely by self-interest, believe in the auld just world wheeze, or are just plain thoughtless. I don't mean staunch right-wingers either. They may even be pleasant people to have a pint with, politics aside.

I still think Tory voters are scum, btw, and I don't agree with a lot of the article.

 

[One Thousand Words]

I find the left is usually the noisiest, win or lose any election. It is considered uncouth if you are one of the "haves" and throw in in the "have not's" face when things go your way.

Unless of course you are a right wing extremest, thats when you take out your assault rifles and ring in the new year

 

[Ceres]

When you live your life on Twitter and Facebook, and are only friends with like minded people on Twitter and Facebook, you are not living in the real world.

so nothing atall like living in the 'real world' people who all read the daily mail inhabit then I guess.

 

[Sammy G]

People who read the Daily Mail are generally ignorant, no question, but look at its circulation figures, and you might get the point she's trying to make...

 

[Ceres]

There are certainly a lot of thick people in the UK. The tory party got about as many votes as the audience figures for xfactor.

 

[Ceres]

todays quote from david cameron "For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone."