Lysergamides At-home conversion of LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD in 1 step (similar to but beyond even ALD-52) like upgraded version of LSD

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The Axe said:

I've seen teks on the web for mushrooms that don't seem plausible at all, like lemon tek, but on the other hand I've seen other simple teks with lye or food grade lime seem like they do strip off part of a chain. I'm just wondering, other than subjectively, how to confirm whether there's an acetyl attached to the LSD-25 or whether something else is going on with acetyl during metabolism.

Well said The Axe, let's not forget the possibility that acetaldehyde could be adducting onto the NH group nitrogen of the ergoline indole of LSD "in vivo" in the liver to convert this to 1-acetaldehyde LSD. After all, the Aztecs and Mayans added the morning glory extract to wine/liquor, and the 1992 adducts paper is entitled:

"Tryptophan analogues form adducts by cooperative reaction with aldehydes and alcohols or with aldehydes alone: possible role in ethanol toxicity."

Note (2) Page 515 "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" Christian Ratsch: "The fresh or dried morning glory seeds normally are added to alcoholic drinks (sugarcane liquor; c. alcohol), tepache (maize beer, chicha), and balche' (Schultes 1941, 37)."

Here's an example: If you soak coca leaf tea bags in wine, and the wine drunk, the cocaine is converted into coca-ethylene in the liver...cocaethyelene is orally potent, it has a "higher like" rating than even cocaine when human tests were done in 1994. This was the basis behind the famous commerical "Vin Mariani wine" back in the 1860's popular with both Popes, Thomas Edison, and scores of other famous people. I don't see any cleavage taking place with this molecule but rather addition/transformation. This "in-vivo" liver transformation of the molecule was not even discovered till 1994 !

Perhaps this same "in vivo" transformation of LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD takes place in the liver via an enzymatic reaction that has not yet been discovered. I know the effects of LSD and 1-acetaldehyde LSD very well, as I have taken acid hundreds of times, and the 2 times I tried 1-acetaldehyde first at 300ug and 2nd time at 400ug were completely different, in fact I prefer the 1-acetaldehyde LSD by a long shot, it's the only way I will take acid for the rest of my life, I don't mind the extra expense of using 3 or 4 tabs at once for the conversion, it's cheap and plentiful in dreams. You have nothing to loose, my grocery store carried just one brand of Sherry wine, seen in the 1st pic of linked thread with 13 pics, "Taylor brand sherry" and the peppermint extract was right down a few isles.

Like I mentioned earlier, I've taken acid in all different amounts with 400g of fresh cactus tea (I grow lots of cactus under shade cloth) for over 15 years, and it always feels just like "acid + cactus", but when I took the 400ug of 1-acetaldehyde LSD with 400g of fresh cactus, for the 1st time in my life it felt like 700mg of mescaline, it was THE most profoundly infinitely beautiful and powerful trip of my entire life, I can't stop thinking about even 1 week later, big time life changing. I had complete control of my faculties, no tenseness or anxiety like with acid, no wandering thoughts, it was deep mentally, real gem, I would wave my hand and see not only tracers, but fractals inside the tracers, the beauty of the 2 women on screen from the new hulu movie "to the stars" was overwhelming, I was in heaven, the colors were out of this world impossible and breath-taking for hours on end...I thanked Heaven for this remarkable experience, the most profound of my life. Just my 2 cents.

Normalperson said:

what's the worst that could happen? lose a couple of tabs and be stuck with a bottle of shitty wine? or maybe i would like the wine and become a wino? I'll try it out soon.

I laughed my ass off reading that.

 

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Still prepare the concoction the way I give instructions in post #1, cause we don't know yet whether it is being converted "in-vivo", so still make it the way the study outlines by letting soak for 3 hours with swirling once per hour in the fridge as explained. I really don't have anything more to post about this, as everything I had to say has been said already, simply read the 13 numbered comments I wrote about it in post #1 where I compare 1-acetaldehyde LSD to LSD. I am simply waiting for you all to try this now, my work is done. I know what I will be taking for the rest of my life, this new alkaloid 1-acetaldehyde LSD, it is incredible. Thanks for your comments everyone.

I will leave you with this...by the way I will be taking 1-acetaldehyde LSD again at 400ug this Friday for the 3rd time, once again in combination with 400g of fresh boiled cactus tea, as it's been 2 weeks.

This conversion also works on morning glory and HBWR seed extracts as explained earlier in this thread, the Mayans and Aztecs added the fresh or dried morning glory seed extracts to a drink containing wine or liquor, see notes section of this thread.

Downwardsfromzero:

As I've mentioned, my most successful plant-derived lysergamide experience - in dreams, of course - albeit with HBWR, coincided with intake of a fairly large quantity of brandy which, in all likelihood, produced a significant level of acetaldehyde within my body, exposing the plant lysergamides to the correct conditions (as reported in the Austin & Fraenkel-Conrat PNAS paper) within my stomach for the putative 1-(1-hydroxyethyl) or, rather, it seems, the 1-(1-ethoxyethyl) derivative to be formed. In this case, the effects were clearly stimulating, unlike the sedative effects usually reported for HBWR. I see that brandy weighs in fairly well on the acetaldehyde content scale as well.

The neon-electric zingyness of LSD was all but absent, although there was a fractal overlay with eyes open. The overall feel was more earthy and organic. A wise, stern-but-kind voice within gave me most useful advice for several hours. This also contrasted with the 8 hours solid 'LMAO' that LSD so often provides. The divinatory use of this type of material makes absolute sense. I count this among the more significant entheogenic experiences of my life.

Norman at mycotopia also mentioned his powerful and very enjoyable experience when he extracted HBWR with wine and consumed. He said it was better then any other kind of extraction method by far.

And don't forget the comments by 69ron and Kash further up in this thread (post #72 on page 4) who combined the seed extracts with peppermint extract which contains 2mg acetaldehyde per 5 drops, they said the experiences turned into stimulating instead of sedating experiences, and were profoundly visual compared to normal extracts.

Krystle Cole from the book "Lysergic":

"Isn't Ergot what Socrates used to take at Eleusis?" I thought it was kind of cool to be taking something that the founders of our democracy used to take, but that our current democracy has made illegal.

LSD chemist Todd Skinner replied "Yes, except for he did a water infusion of the ergot, instead of alcohol." Todd had prepared 6 jugs of ergot wine and stored them for many years.

Krystle Cole's "ergot wine" experience (several pages long) in the book "Lysergic", reported that she saw constantly rotating holographic Sanskrit or Arabic & Zodiac symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head.

It was so powerful that it was the only time Krystle said Todd would say a Prayer before ingesting, he never said a Prayer with any other substance.

How is this for alchemy? The Greek Priest & ancient Aztec & Mayans were not the only ones to transform their brews. Dr. Shulgin in an issue of the "Entheogen Review" in the "Questions to Dr. Shulgin section" describes how harmaline gains 2 hydrogen atoms from Vitamin C doner (same way Santo Daime brew their Ayahuasca for long periods with added vitamin C) transforming all the sleepy dreamy harmaline in their brews into the stimulating, euphoric & colorfully visual anti-serotonin alkaloid tetrahydroharmine, via an Alchemy process, Note (27). All of their brews shown in table 1 had zero mg harmaline left.

In a similar way LSH & LSA & LSD in the thread's recipe brew are transforming to their stimulating doubly anti-serotonin, highly visual + audial, very euphoric + more colorful, zero anxiety, tenseness & wandering thoughts, more aesthetic beauty enhancing cousins 1-acetaldehyde LSH & 1-acetaldehyde LSA & 1-acetaldehyde LSD via the donation of acetaldehyde under proper acidic conditions.

Remember ALD-52 was shown by Sandoz labs to have "double the anti-serotonin power of LSD" and the more serotonin blocking, the more stimulating. The liver-produced Coca-ethylene from cocaine in coca leaf tea bags (5mg per tea bag) soaked in wine (and the wine drunk) is another example of a powerful anti-serotonin alkaloid which is highly stimulating. Cocaethylene has a higher affinity for the dopamine transporter than does cocaine. Cocaethylene produces euphoria and has a longer duration of action than cocaine.

Note (27) Callaway, James C. (June 2005). "Various alkaloid profiles in decoctions of Banisteriopsis caapi." See wikipedia page on tetrahydroharmine in references at bottom, Page 154: "The average ratio of THH to harmine in the Santo Daime brews was consistently near 1:1, from all sources (Table 2), while the ratio was closer to 1:5 in a large survey of the source plant material (B. caapi)." Page 154 describes the process of conversion under acidic conditions with chemical diagrams.

Here are just a few of the other topics I have posted about:

1) How to convert the research chemical 4-aco-dmt (which I don't like) to 4-ho-dmt (actual psilocin)

2) I was the first to show how to complex the nbome's with the super cheap HPBCD (hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin) to create a bioavailable form of the drug that could be absorbed readily under tongue. HPBCD is the basis behind the highly popular "Febreze" to trap odors and dispose of them as well. Nearly all the suppliers of nbome's in the world took my idea and marketed them as such. I regret that decision as I hate the man-made drug 25i-nbome. I flushed all mine down the toilet.

3) How to create a 100% nausea free Ayahuasca brew to the stomach & intestines using cotton ball in a funnel filtering. The cotton ball and funnel are the best invention since the toothbrush. Yes, Coffee filters are useless as they allow nothing through.

What I'm trying to say is that I would not post about this 1-acetaldehyde LSD if it did not work. Why would I invest so much time and effort to convey this discovery if it had no merit?

Vecktor:

Tregar you have probably rediscovered something that has long been a curiosity....the morning glory extract treated with acetaldehyde-methanol without the water showed a clear difference in the alkaloid profile, with a shift to several new non polar spots which couldn't be identified. IIRC Erhlichs was used to develop the plates so these were indole compounds.

 

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namaste said:

Might have a go this weekend, all depends on my fragile mental health. Been eating doses 25+ years. Lots of work drama, we shall see.

You will find that your mental health will thank you after trying this at 300ug, just yesterday (Friday night) again took 400ug of the 1-actealdehyde LSD with 400g of fresh boiled cactus tea, once again, was blown away by the power of this.

Namaste, thanks for trying this out...you will find this is easy on your mental health...There is Zero anxiety, zero tenseness, zero wandering thoughts, no "neural overload" feeling like with normal LSD...deep mental space, pure psychedelic bliss. Replacing the "electricity" of LSD with calm, profound beauty enhancement to the nth degree and visuals way beyond normal LSD.

The comeup is smooth and relaxing like with cactus, no sudden drop off like with acid as it lasts much longer than acid with a warm gentle transition back to reality over a long period of time. Like a long warm hug and embrace.

With closed eyes, high speed movies played in color in the visual plain, flowers, animals, beautiful people, vast meadows and gardens, grand architecture including palaces and interior decorations within them. I climbed the steps of one of these palaces surrounded by art carvings of animals to the left and right of all the steps leading up to the entrance. Mind blowing visions.

With open eyes, colors were once again out of this world and impossible for hours on end, the beauty was infinite as patterns formed everywhere and inside the tracers when I moved my hand I once again saw colored fractals inside them, extremely powerful visuals and transcendence. I never see fractals inside tracers on normal LSD, just shadows of the hand.

This is the only way I will take acid from now on till I die. Extremely beautiful experience with none of the side effects of normal acid.

Hey Traeger

Got a good mindset going. 300 sounds reasonable, 400 excessive as I usually go with 100-200. Just picked up a bottle of cooking Sherry and a bottle of peppermint extract. Blast off at 7pm central time. These are the Ric and Morty blotters, pretty confident that they're at least 100mcg.

Yes, Namaste! Thanks for trying this...300ug is PLENTY! My calculations are off, 400ug is not necessary, this I discovered after my 3rd experiment with this. Mine are extremely pure 100ug, they were run thru the purification chromatography column twice according to where they came from.

 

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namaste said:

The Love is soaking, got a little zesty, overswirled and spilt a tiny bit. Have you considered sending to EC for a MC/GS? I think it's the only way to actually prove the molecular structure has been altered.

Yes, be careful, just swirl lightly, and put a saran wrap or foil on cover of shot glass to prevent spill over.

We have proof already that the conversion is happening with morning glory seed extract, see here:

Vecktor (advanced chemist):

Tregar you have probably rediscovered something that has long been a curiosity....the morning glory extract treated with acetaldehyde-methanol without the water showed a clear difference in the alkaloid profile, with a shift to several new non polar spots which couldn't be identified. IIRC Erhlichs was used to develop the plates so these were indole compounds.

So glad to hear Vecktor, thanks. It takes time for the new product to form when there is water involved--->the researchers achieved a 100% new product with or without the use of ethanol, it made no difference, you only need ph=4 acidified water and around a 0.1% acetaldehyde solution, with a 1.5 hour soak time with stirring. It just so happens that sherry wine is already at ph=4 just like the study calls for. Researchers said "the lower the PH, the faster the reaction."

Breeg89 said:

the finding that ALD-52, 1P-LSD, and 1B-LSD show 5-10-fold reduced 5-HT2A binding affinity compared to LSD in vitro.

the finding that giving rats ALD-52 or 1P-LSD produced high concentrations of LSD in the blood.

the finding that giving rats ALD-52, 1P-LSD, or 1B-LSD initiated the characteristic psychedelic head-twitch response (despite dramatically reduced 5-HT2A binding affinity in vitro).

1. Like I said, 1-acetaldehyde LSD does not work thru the 5-ht2a receptor, but rather shifts the receptorome or radio ligand binding "away from 5-ht2a" and towards the adrenal A2A, A2B & A2C receptor binding which is the dominace or habitat of mescaline, dmt, and psilocin, see color chart on page 1. That's why 1-acetaldehyde LSD is more colorful, zero anxiety & tenseness, more visual, amazing mental headspace.

2. This is not an experiment done with rats, this is a human experiment. We are not giving a rat a shot of sherry wine with LSD dissolved with 5 drops of peppermint extract, did you forget to read my post earlier which shows that menthol is the highest ingredient in peppermint extract, which shuts down the cytochrome P450 enzyme in the liver which is involved in the metabolism of external chemicals? This has the potential effect of preventing the breakdown of 1-acetaldehyde LSD.

3. This works, I have taken acid HUNDREDS of times in 15 years, there is no mistaking 1-acetaldehyde LSD with acid, completely different, see my 13 comments on how this is different from LSD further up.

Typewritermonkey said:

Tregar is it the same potency as LSD, or less potent? Because 300-400ug of LSD-25 to me is a very huge dosage.

See below...
Thanks for trying this in the future Typewritermonky! Here is another trip report with ALD-52 vs LSD (not from me) which will help others understand the differences, and why a higher dosage is necessary:

hxxps://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/4ynu/highly_underestimated_ald52/

"Yes, I realize it's not technically LSD but really, it might as well be. I took 300ug thinking it would be mild if anything. Granted it wasn't as intense mentally as LSD can sometimes be, but conceptually and aesthetically it is beautiful beyond anything I ever anticipated. I feel perfect. At one. Better than I've felt in so long. I thought I could never trip again on anything but this is honestly paradigm changing for me. ALD-52 should be considered just as powerful as LSD-25 although it's a lot more relaxed and somewhat forgiving. As it is probably apparent I'm still very deep into this experience and I hope this to be an open discussion to anyone who would like to be involved.

My god, I just went through multiple ego death experiences beyond anything I've ever experienced from LSD before. There are no words. I mean there are plenty of "words" but none of them mean a single thing compared to any of THAT. Dear GOD. I never expected anything like this, but I sure as hell needed it. Even if I'm the only one here to express it to, as that's realistically the truth of nature anyhow. However, anyone who felt compelled to actually read through all this insanity, I just want you to know you're beautiful and you are everything. All things are right and they always will be.

Anyway, as far as the ALD-52, I took 300ug as I said. It was amazing and stronger than I expected, however I don't think 100ug would be very eventful to be perfectly honest. If you're concerned about it being too strong 200 might be worth it but 300 was really a great amount if you ask me. Even if you haven't taken any lysergamides before ALD-52 is rather calm compared to LSD or even mushrooms for the most part. Visually though, at least for me, it was absolutely breathtaking. Colors and textures were shifting like crazy.

Everything was alive and magical. Patterns were forming everywhere. I could lose myself so easily as the visuals seemed to drag my focus in without any effort. As a result, ego death was basically automatic and I reached that point multiple times. The first time I ever experienced ego death on LSD it left me with this beautiful feeling, like a deep inner glow that lasted for months afterwards. It eventually faded and I hadn't felt anything quite like it in years, but ALD-52 brought it back, and I feel like I've awakened from a spiritual coma.

Another thing is LSD sometimes causes my mind to wander uncontrollably unless I take my own initiative to focus, especially during the come up which can also sometimes fill me with restless confusion. Once I peak everything usually evens out, but ALD-52 put me in a state of perfect clarity from beginning to end. The come up was so smooth and comfortable.

I didn't notice the come down because I actually went to sleep when I felt like it was time to do so, which was an interesting surprise. Every time I've taken LSD I've had to let it run its entire course before even attempting to sleep. Often I would have to stay up for the entire day after which is obviously physically and mentally exhausting. But once I felt like the ALD-52 had made its point I went to sleep just like any other day, and woke up the next morning fully rested and mentally clear.

Overall, it felt very natural and I never had a single moment of uncomfortability or confusion. Just pure psychedelic bliss. I mean, I've had some amazing and extremely important experiences on LSD but honestly after the other night, think I prefer ALD-52. It felt like tripping for the first time again."

A few more comments from reddit, there are actual "fan clubs" devoted to ALD-52 over there, but keep in mind 1-acetaldehyde LSD has one more hydrogen atom on adduct than ALD-52, so it is even different from that:

It's practically extinct! ALD52 is my favorite thing over even LSD and the site I used to get it from shut down.
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ALD-52 is probably most similar to LSD relative to the other analogues (of which I have only tried ALD-52). The headspace is markedly psychedelic, it lasts 12 hours and the visuals are prominent enough. They seemed to take on a more flowing characteristic than LSD, to where I'd see objects form within the patterns.

I find it has a more mellow vibe than LSD, I'm more content to sit back and relax whereas 1p is supposedly closer to the electricity of LSD.

For what it's worth, I found the come down of ALD-52 to be better than LSD... it just felt more refreshing, like a warm hug and it tapers off gently whereas LSD is more of a sudden drop off into sobriety, but the actual peak of LSD feels more... alive to me. like my consciousness is oscillating at a super high vibration.
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I find it's also less prone to creating anxiety. Becuase of this, I feel like I can take much higher doses and go much deeper. I took 5 tabs and experienced absolutely no anxiety at all. I don't think I would have been able to to do the same with LSD-25.
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Hmmm. I seem to get much more euphoria from ALD over LSD or 1p. But yes, the anxiety levels are consistently low with this chemical. ALD is an absolute gem.
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Agree. I feel like it's a subtle power, not as forceful as 1p. But there's genuine depth to it.
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I'll be the first to admit it may be placebo, but I also favor ALD-52 for this reason.
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I dosed ALD52 like 100+ times throughout the last 4 or 5 years, in doses between 25ug and 350ug.

While ALD52 is very similar to LSD25, I think I can still see a slight difference. To me the visuals are different, especially the tracers. I can clearly see a difference there.

With 200ug+ of ALD52, when I move my hand it shows some very colorfull spirals and fractals in the tracer /smearing.

While with LSD25 it is just a mirroring effect that shows several of my hands. Not nearly as colorfull, just a non colored shadow (or several) of the real hand.

With ALD52 it's much more colorfull and intense, like painting the air with rainbow colors.

100ug or even 150ug don't really show a difference at all to LSD25, but with 300ug and above (my highest dose was 350ug) the differences are even more intense."

With 350ug I can hardly see reality anymore due to all those colorfull reflections of anything I look at.

I think the higher the dose the clearer the differences.[/QUOTE]

namaste said:

Might have a go this weekend, all depends on my fragile mental health. Been eating doses 25+ years. Lots of work drama, we shall see.

You will find that your mental health will thank you after trying this at 300ug, just yesterday (Friday night) again took 400ug of the 1-actealdehyde LSD with 400g of fresh boiled cactus tea, once again, was blown away by the power of this.

Namaste, thanks for trying this out...you will find this is easy on your mental health...There is Zero anxiety, zero tenseness, zero wandering thoughts, no "neural overload" feeling like with normal LSD...deep mental space, pure psychedelic bliss. Replacing the "electricity" of LSD with calm, profound beauty enhancement to the nth degree and visuals way beyond normal LSD.

The comeup is smooth and relaxing like with cactus, no sudden drop off like with acid as it lasts much longer than acid with a warm gentle transition back to reality over a long period of time. Like a long warm hug and embrace.

With closed eyes, high speed movies played in color in the visual plain, flowers, animals, beautiful people, vast meadows and gardens, grand architecture including palaces and interior decorations within them. I climbed the steps of one of these palaces surrounded by art carvings of animals to the left and right of all the steps leading up to the entrance. Mind blowing visions.

With open eyes, colors were once again out of this world and impossible for hours on end, the beauty was infinite as patterns formed everywhere and inside the tracers when I moved my hand I once again saw colored fractals inside them, extremely powerful visuals and transcendence. I never see fractals inside tracers on normal LSD, just shadows of the hand.

This is the only way I will take acid from now on till I die. Extremely beautiful experience with none of the side effects of normal acid.

 

[Xorkoth]

Like I said, 1-acetaldehyde LSD does not work thru the 5-ht2a receptor, but rather shifts the receptorome or radio ligand binding "away from 5-ht2a" and towards the adrenal A2A, A2B & A2C receptor binding which is the dominace or habitat of mescaline, dmt, and psilocin, see color chart on page 1. That's why 1-acetaldehyde LSD is more colorful, zero anxiety & tenseness, more visual, amazing mental headspace.

How do you know this?

I'd like to see some more reports on this. Not that I doubt your experiences at all, it's just that in the case of subjective experience reporting, it's good to have multiple data points.

 

[vecktor]

namaste said:


Yes, be careful, just swirl lightly, and put a saran wrap or foil on cover of shot glass to prevent spill over.

We have proof already that the conversion is happening with morning glory seed extract, see here:

Vecktor (advanced chemist):


So glad to hear Vecktor, thanks. It takes time for the new product to form when there is water involved--->the researchers achieved a 100% new product with or without the use of ethanol, it made no difference, you only need ph=4 acidified water and around a 0.1% acetaldehyde solution, with a 1.5 hour soak time with stirring. It just so happens that sherry wine is already at ph=4 just like the study calls for. Researchers said "the lower the PH, the faster the reaction."

Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I said or just plain not understanding what was said?

I wrote a very clear later response which you are conveniently ignoring. So to clarify I will spell it out simply in words of fewer syllables, your claimed conversion of LSD in water with practically no reactants and high dilution is bullshit.

With morning glory seeds there was NO CHANGE when water was present. which does not support your claims at all.

For the third time...You also seem not to comprehend that the authors of the paper in that section are referring to the di-indole ethane which is indole reacting at the 3 position and then reacting with another indole, nothing whatsoever to do with the 1 acetalisation reaction which is slow and incomplete.

1. Like I said, 1-acetaldehyde LSD does not work thru the 5-ht2a receptor, but rather shifts the receptorome or radio ligand binding "away from 5-ht2a" and towards the adrenal A2A, A2B & A2C receptor binding which is the dominace or habitat of mescaline, dmt, and psilocin, see color chart on page 1. That's why 1-acetaldehyde LSD is more colorful, zero anxiety & tenseness, more visual, amazing mental headspace.

what the hell does shifts the receptorome or radio ligand binding away from 5ht2a mean? Is the mythical 1- acetaldhyde LSD capable of altering gene expression? or is it radioactive?
You also haven't addressed the obvious pharmaocological similarities between Banandine hydrochloride and your compound.

From what I can see dissolving and consuming large amounts of LSD in sherry or peppermint merely leads to frequent spouting of pseudoscientific woo interspersed with random scientific words used out of context, along with profound reading comprehension difficulties. Feel free to prove otherwise.

 

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Did anyone read the thread over at the nexus before it was deleted? This is beginning to mirror it closely lol... before it was deleted

I’m not debating there may be subjective differences between lsd and said mixture. Nor am I claiming to have read all the literature sourced, or entirely understood the paragraphs upon paragraphs of regurgitated word salad. Accordingly I can’t comment on whether this conversion would work in such conditions (but some above and at the nexus provide seemingly reasonable arguments as for why it won’t and have gone long ignored).

I do know that subjective experiences between lsd and it’s pro drugs are different for me. As is 4 aco dmt and mush; as is lemon tek vs
Mush. Be it set/setting or differences in receptor affinities - as reported in recent studies on lsd and it’s prodrugs, despite metabolic conversion to lsd- I can’t say.

Suppose what I’m saying is that n=1. And I’m with Xorkoth that a proper lab test should be in store. Though apparently even if this conversion is possible (seems unlikely, sorry) the long duration in transit etc before testing might push equilibrium (of the possible conversion) the other way. Therefore immediate testing after conversion would be required

Or ya know... lol

 

[tregar]

Just add Sherry wine and peppermint extract (any brand will do, even McCormick's) to your wife's grocery list. Peppermint extract is found in the spices and extracts isle. Your wife will look at you like WTF? Just tell her you are doing an experiment like the ancient Aztecs and Mayans in South America and Greek Priest used to do at Eleusis in Greece for over 2,000 years. When she tells you "don't ever say that I don't do anything for you". Just tell her "thanks!"

Taylor brand sherry is virtually everywhere, it's the only brand of Sherry wine my grocery store carries. One bottle will last you a lifetime. It is at ph=4 like the 1992 adducts study calls for, and it contains average 5mg acetaldehyde per 15ml or 1/2 shot glass like we use in the experiment, just like what the study requires (around a 0.1% acetaldehyde solution).

There is a picture of the Sherry wine in pic #1 on post #1, right behind two of the home grown cactus I grew and cut from top of existing cactus. I have found out I like to take 300 to 400ug of the 1-acetaldehyde LSD with 400g fresh (no core) of the cactus (equivalent of 400mg mescaline) cause it makes it feel like 700mg of mescaline. Whereas LSD + cactus just feels like "acid + cactus" nothing too terribly special of a combination, but the 1-acetaldehyde LSD with cactus--->now that is something very special.

Below the pic of the Taylor brand sherry and cactus you will see "double morning glory planters". Each planter is 17" wide x 15" tall with 7 foot tall round welded fence, each contain 15 plants. When I first brought the planter and fence home, my wife looked at me like I was crazy, like the scene in "Close encounters of the 3rd kind" where Richard Dreyfus raids his neighbors's chicken coop for a piece of fence to build a replica of the "Wyoming Devil's Tower." This same experiment also works with cold water acidified extracts of morning glory seeds, transforming the LSH and penniclavine to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & penniclavine. I did this same thing over 22 years ago with mg seeds.

The ancient Aztec and Mayan also normally added the fresh or dried morning glory extract to wine or liquor as well, notes Shultes on page 515 of "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" by Ratsch. The ancient Greek Priest would add fresh mint to the entheogenic brew consisting of fresh claviceps paspali (infects paspalum distichum grass in famous Rharian plain adjacent to Eleusis) which contains high levels of LSH when fresh as well, transforming the LSH to 1-aceteldehyde LSH, as mint contains 2mg acetaldehyde per 5 drops mint or peppermint extract.

The ancient Aztec & Mayan & Greek Priest were not the only ones to transform their brews...Dr. Shulgin shows how the beta-carboline harmaline transforms into tetrahydroharmine when a vitamin C doner is added to long standing boiling brew...as it donates 2 hydrogen atoms at the indole "N" position, transforming to "NH" as the sleepy dreamy harmaline transforms to the stimulating, euphoric and colorfully visual alkaloid tetrahydroharmine or thh in an issue of "Entheogen Review" questions and answers section with Dr. Shulgin.

This is done by the Santo Daime vegetal group, as none of their brews contain any leftover harmaline (they brew for long periods with added vitamin C) see paper on this at bottom of references under wikipedia entry for tetrahydroharmine by Dr. Callaway 2005. See page 154 with chemical diagrams showing addition at indole N (nitrogen) position to "NH": https://catbull.com/alamut/Bibliothek/various alkaloid profiles in aya decoction.pdf

Notice the similarity of what is happening above at the nitrogen N position of the indole on the betacarboline harmaline --> transformation to tetrahydroharmine as what is theoretically happening at the nitrogen NH group position of the bottom indole of the ergoline LSD as well, via the donation of acetaldehyde under proper ph=4 acidic conditions over a several hour period with sitting/stirring once per hour.

From Sandoz Labs, where Albert Hofmann also discovered ALD-52:

Sandoz labs suggested that ALD-52 might actually have advantages over LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip. Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs showed that while LSD produced brain waves associated with intense concentration and anxiety, ALD-52 produced brain waves showing a more relaxed mental state.

It was also found to display "twice the anti-serotonin or serotonin blocking power" of normal LSD.

ALD-52 is listed as having a lower (approximately 1/5) intravenous toxicity (in rabbits), a lower approximately one eighth pyretogenic effect, and double the "antiserotonin" effect as compared with LSD. Human experiments have not been well documented.

I have made 1-acetaldehyde LSD at the 300ug dosage, 400ug dosage, and again at the 400ug dosage, all spaced about 2 weeks apart...

There is Zero anxiety, zero tenseness, zero wandering thoughts, no "neural overload" feeling like with normal LSD...deep mental headspace, pure psychedelic bliss. Replacing the "electricity" of LSD with calm, profound beauty enhancement to the nth degree and visuals beyond normal LSD.

LSD feels "man-made" to me and is "analytical" and not very aesthetic, whereas 1-acetaldehyde LSD feels very natural, primitive and infinitely aesthetic (beauty enhancing) like with cactus.

The comeup is smooth and relaxing like with cactus, no sudden drop off like with acid as it lasts much longer than acid with a warm gentle transition back to reality over a long period of time. Like a long warm hug and embrace.

With closed eyes, high speed movies played in color in the visual plain, flowers, animals, beautiful people, vast meadows and gardens, grand architecture including palaces and interior decorations within them. I climbed the steps of one of these palaces surrounded by art carvings of animals to the left and right of all the steps leading up to the entrance. Mind blowing visions.

With open eyes, colors were once again out of this world and impossible for hours on end, the beauty was infinite as patterns formed everywhere and inside the tracers when I moved my hand I once again saw colored fractals inside them, extremely powerful visuals and transcendence. I never see fractals inside tracers on normal LSD, just shadows of the hand.

Appreciation of the beauty of the two on-screen actresses from "to the stars" (new movie on hulu) was euphorically over the top, similar to tripping on cactus. Like being in Heaven, beauty is perceived as being infinite and divine.

This is the only way I will take acid from now on till I die. Extremely beautiful experience with none of the side effects of normal acid.

I did not discover this study, I was directed to it via a vision from a spiritually prominent Shaman, see story further up in post #1. He wanted humanity to know about it.

 

[tregar]

We now have confirmation (y)from another person at shroomery that the conversion works (see topic in ODD "other drugs discussion section of forum":

Namaste said:
"I think you're on to something here. It was extremely chill. Soft around the edges. When I started coming down, it felt like 10 years of therapy.

I remembered good times, felt compassion. Listened to music I haven't listened to in years. Thought about friends, was at peace in a way that I haven't felt before.

The stars formed into animated constellations. My Bodhi statue began to juggle. I saw the Perseidies meteors not just out of the corner of my eyes but right over my face while lying in a hammock. Saw the entire movement from start to finish. They looked like giant arrows.

Stayed awake all day, went out to visit friends. It was very happy nostalgia. Sometimes larger doses make me totally black out. Not this time, I was awake and aware. No primal fear or paranoia.

Give this a go!

TWM
I used McCormick brand peppermint, not spearmint, and Holland House brand Sherry. It did feel 'altered', seems to extend the duration too. Felt like I was still peaking seven hours after dropping. Sometimes I get a cracked out, confused feeling, not this time.

Haven't seen neon colors like that since the one and only time I was puddled.

Sunday's are generally filled with dread and depression for the following week. Experienced none of that. Just a long lasting afterglow. Still in a great mood now. I did get a pretty severe headache but I also drink like it's my job, and I am on a SSRI.

Been thinking about Ephesus and Pergamon, not sure if thats subliminal or coincidence.

Going to wait 3-4 months and repeat."

Thank you Namaste! Namaste converted 300ug. My work is done.

 

[tacodude]

I don't know whoever referred to mushrooms as plants in regards to the Aztecs, but they aren't plants. Bros... They're fungus fun guys not plants.

 

[Bagseed]

Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I said or just plain not understanding what was said?

I wrote a very clear later response which you are conveniently ignoring. So to clarify I will spell it out simply in words of fewer syllables, your claimed conversion of LSD in water with practically no reactants and high dilution is bullshit.

With morning glory seeds there was NO CHANGE when water was present. which does not support your claims at all.

For the third time...You also seem not to comprehend that the authors of the paper in that section are referring to the di-indole ethane which is indole reacting at the 3 position and then reacting with another indole, nothing whatsoever to do with the 1 acetalisation reaction which is slow and incomplete.



what the hell does shifts the receptorome or radio ligand binding away from 5ht2a mean? Is the mythical 1- acetaldhyde LSD capable of altering gene expression? or is it radioactive?
You also haven't addressed the obvious pharmaocological similarities between Banandine hydrochloride and your compound.

From what I can see dissolving and consuming large amounts of LSD in sherry or peppermint merely leads to frequent spouting of pseudoscientific woo interspersed with random scientific words used out of context, along with profound reading comprehension difficulties. Feel free to prove otherwise.

I wonder why tregar chooses to ignore this post...?

 

[tregar]

Namaste said:

I think you're on to something here. It was extremely chill. Soft around the edges. When I started coming down, it felt like 10 years of therapy.

I remembered good times, felt compassion. Listened to music I haven't listened to in years. Thought about friends, was at peace in a way that I haven't felt before.

The stars formed into animated constellations. My Bodhi statue began to juggle. I saw the Perseidies meteors not just out of the corner of my eyes but right over my face while lying in a hammock. Saw the entire movement from start to finish. They looked like giant arrows.

Stayed awake all day, went out to visit friends. It was very happy nostalgia. Sometimes larger doses make me totally black out. Not this time, I was awake and aware. No primal fear or paranoia.

TWM
I used McCormick brand peppermint, not spearmint, and Holland House brand Sherry. It did feel 'altered', seems to extend the duration too. Felt like I was still peaking seven hours after dropping. Sometimes I get a cracked out, confused feeling, not this time.

Haven't seen neon colors like that since the one and only time I was puddled.

Sunday's are generally filled with dread and depression for the following week. Experienced none of that. Just a long lasting afterglow. Still in a great mood now. I did get a pretty severe headache but I also drink like it's my job, and I am on a SSRI.

Been thinking about Ephesus and Pergamon, not sure if thats subliminal or coincidence.

Going to wait 3-4 months and repeat.

Give this a go!

Namaste thanks a million for your report, you are the 2nd person on the planet besides myself to give this a go.

So cool Namaste that you watched the meteor shower outside, as the Perseidies are active every year from July 14 to August 24, according to NASA. You also mention that you saw "neon colors like you have not seen in ages" and that "you did not experience the depression which sometimes follows days later".

That's another thing I love about this 1-acetaldehyde LSD, it is extremely colorful, way more colorful than acid, more similar to mescaline in that respect. For hours with open eyes I see impossible out of this world neon colors, reminds me of Ayahuasca or Mescaline with the colors. I have made this at 300ug, 400ug, and again at 400ug, all spaced around 2 weeks apart. I also do not experience the typical mood drop 2 days later, but still feel pretty darn good days later...I also like the fact that it last around double the time that acid does, I am also still peaking way past 4 hours later..I get "double the fun" out of this compared to acid. I never liked the way acid ended so abruptly, I prefer how this last way longer, just like cactus which lasts way longer than acid. I am taking this again for the 4rth time tonight, as I work all weekend, and today and tomorrow is my "weekend" as I work long shifts.

I have a strong suspicion that 1-acetaldehyde LSD does not work thru the 5-ht2a receptor, but rather shifts the receptorome or radio ligand binding "away from 5-ht2a" and towards the adrenal A2A, A2B & A2C receptor binding which is the dominace or habitat of mescaline, dmt, and psilocin, see color chart on page 1. That's why 1-acetaldehyde LSD is more colorful, zero anxiety & tenseness, more visual, amazing mental headspace.

LSD feels "man-made" to me and is "analytical" and not very aesthetic, whereas 1-acetaldehyde LSD feels very natural, primitive and infinitely aesthetic (beauty enhancing) like with cactus. LSD induces "intense concentration" and "anxiety" whereas this produces "over the top" appreciation for beauty and profound visuals similar to how mescaline takes these same qualities to the nth level.

TWM said:

Also tregar, please do not take my posts as "doubt". I have followed your posts immanently since 2012 when you discovered HPBCD coupling with 25i's for oral. And as an amazing discovery as that was, and revolutionzed the world - it was ended up being only a scientific discovery because those series were awful.

But regardless, here I am immanently following all your posts, and this one. And I hope that if this legitimate, you will let me help you realize that with empirical and concrete evidence. Empirical in the sense that I have a distinct gift for psychedelic sensitivity as well as many powers to concretely prove this if possible.

I am very excited to host this experiment as soon as possible.

I look forward to hearing your results, glad you have 500ug soaking (you said you are going to take 1/2 of it) just use 5 drops of the McCormick's brand peppermint extract or whatever you can find at grocery store.

Note (1): Make sure your sherry wine is cold before you use it, it contains 5 mg acetaldehyde per 15ml or 1/2 shot glass. Acetaldehyde boils off at 68 degrees F, or slightly below room temp, so keep 1/2 shot glass of it in fridge at all times until you consume. It is also at ph=4 which is what 1992 adducts study calls for, researchers said "the lower the ph, the faster the reaction."

Note (2): Menthol is largest ingredient in peppermint extract and causes cytochrome P450 enzyme inhibition in the liver, which is involved in the metabolism of exogenous chemicals. This may have a potential effect in preventing the breakdown of 1-acetaldehyde LSD. Peppermint extract also contains 2mg water soluble acetaldehyde per 5 drops.

See my comments above how Dr. Shulgin explains how the betacarboline harmaline converts to tetrahydroharmine via the donation of 2 hydrogen atoms from "vitamin C doner" via stirring and boiling for many hours, same way Santo Daime brew their Ayahuasca for long periods with added vitamin C, tables and charts & link to paper given above with chemical diagram explaining the chemical conversion process via the addition at the indole "N" position, changing to "NH".

See my story on Post #1 (page 1) about how a Shaman lead me to the 1992 adducts study in a 20 minute vision, He wanted all of humanity to know about this, as this is the way the Aztecs would prepare their morning glory seed extract, normally adding it to liquor for the conversion to happen either externally or "in vivo" in the liver.

Note (2) Page 515 "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" Christian Ratsch: "The fresh or dried morning glory seeds normally are added to alcoholic drinks (sugarcane liquor; c. alcohol), tepache (maize beer, chicha), and balche' (Schultes 1941, 37)."

 

[tregar]

If you don't hear from me again, it's because my other love is bodybuilding, been lifting weights since age 22, 220lbs, 12% bodyfat, competed in several competitions. I believe in physical, mental & spiritual health all working together. Better living thru chemistry. You may have seen me, been on cover of Twinlab's "Ironman" in my early 30's, posed with 2 women on the cover. Was a professional lifeguard for a decade.

Stay true to yourself, peace, love & music

http://friskyradio.com

Once again, I overshot. 300ug is all you need of this, PLENTY STRONG for any occasion.

 

[tregar]

Namaste said:

Haha

Thanks for sharing the recipe. I really do believe that there is a conversion into a new substance, that it's acting on different receptors. That was one of the best trips of my life and I dose several times/year.

Blessed be

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

If you don't hear from me again, it's because my other love is bodybuilding, been lifting weights since age 22, 220lbs, 12% bodyfat, competed in several competitions. I believe in physical, mental & spiritual health all working together. Better living thru chemistry. You may have seen me, been on cover of Twinlab's "Ironman" in my early 30's, posed with 2 women on the cover. Was a professional lifeguard for a decade.

Stay true to yourself, peace, love & music

http://friskyradio.com

Once again, I overshot. 300ug is all you need of this, PLENTY STRONG for any occasion.

.....and I'm the Pope of chilli town...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ConsiderateMeanBug-size_restricted.gif

 

[gannetsarewe]

So has anybody else tried this. I don't want to waste my scarce acid or have to drink the rest of my bottle of sherry wine, not sure which is worse.

 

[tregar]

Before I leave, just wanted to say:

gannetsarewe said:

So has anybody else tried this. I don't want to waste my scarce acid or have to drink the rest of my bottle of sherry wine, not sure which is worse.

You're LSD will not be wasted, when dissolved into wine, it does not disappear or disintegrate. It will remain 100% active, only it will be converted to a completely different substance after 3 hours with far reaching different activity from normal LSD. 1 bottle of sherry wine will last a lifetime, as will the peppemint extract. Read again above what Dr. Shulgin saids happens at the indole N position of the betacarboline harmaline, converting to "NH" with the donation of 2 hydrogens from vitamin C doner, transforming into tetrahydroharmine over several hours in acidic conditions. Here we are doing the same thing, only using "acetaldehyde donor" at the indole NH position.

If you don't want to believe me then listen to Namaste (he took acid hundreds of times in the past, just like myself, his full trip report is below with 300ug of 1-acetaldehyde LSD):

"Thanks for sharing the recipe. I really do believe that there is a conversion into a new substance, that it's acting on different receptors. That was one of the best trips of my life and I dose several times/year.

Blessed be

I think you're on to something here. It was extremely chill. Soft around the edges. When I started coming down, it felt like 10 years of therapy.

I remembered good times, felt compassion. Listened to music I haven't listened to in years. Thought about friends, was at peace in a way that I haven't felt before.

The stars formed into animated constellations. My Bodhi statue began to juggle. I saw the Perseidies meteors not just out of the corner of my eyes but right over my face while lying in a hammock. Saw the entire movement from start to finish. They looked like giant arrows.

Stayed awake all day, went out to visit friends. It was very happy nostalgia. Sometimes larger doses make me totally black out. Not this time, I was awake and aware. No primal fear or paranoia.

TWM
I used McCormick brand peppermint, not spearmint, and Holland House brand Sherry. It did feel 'altered', seems to extend the duration too. Felt like I was still peaking seven hours after dropping. Sometimes I get a cracked out, confused feeling, not this time.

Haven't seen neon colors like that since the one and only time I was puddled.

Sunday's are generally filled with dread and depression for the following week. Experienced none of that. Just a long lasting afterglow. Still in a great mood now. I did get a pretty severe headache but I also drink like it's my job, and I am on a SSRI.

Been thinking about Ephesus and Pergamon, not sure if thats subliminal or coincidence.

Going to wait 3-4 months and repeat.

Give this a go! "

Krystle Cole from the book "Lysergic":

"Isn't Ergot what Socrates used to take at Eleusis?" I thought it was kind of cool to be taking something that the founders of our democracy used to take, but that our current democracy has made illegal.

LSD chemist Todd Skinner replied "Yes, except for he did a water infusion of the ergot, instead of alcohol." Todd had prepared 6 jugs of ergot wine and stored them for many years.

Krystle Cole's "ergot wine" experience (several pages long) in the book "Lysergic", reported that she saw constantly rotating holographic Sanskrit or Arabic & Zodiac symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head.

Even LSD chemist Todd Skinner added ergot to wine, then consumed. He knew alkaloid conversion was taking place as well, years before I caught onto it.

 

[gannetsarewe]

Before I leave, just wanted to say:

gannetsarewe said:
You're LSD will not be wasted, when dissolved into wine, it does not disappear or disintegrate. It will remain 100% active, only it will be converted to a completely different substance after 3 hours with far reaching different activity from normal LSD. 1 bottle of sherry wine will last a lifetime, as will the peppemint extract.

Please don't leave, this is a good thread and you are as the man said, great crack. However an opened bottle of sherry will not last a lifetime, it will last in the fridge depending on the variety 1 to 6 weeks before it begins to spoil.

So now I begin to doubt the effacy of your Tek.

 

[tregar]

Good to know gannetsarewe, just read wine goes bad once opened after several weeks, good thing it's only $6 a bottle, will just have to keep several un-opened bottles on hand, thank goodness it is cheap. Apparently the acetaldehyde in the wine converts to acetic acid in the wine once exposed to oxygen over time, not good for our experiments. Thanks! you are the man gannetsarewe. Gannetsarewe, if out of 3,000 people that have read this thread, no one will duplicate this experiment but myself, then there is no sense me sticking around. Going on 6 pages and no one here has tried this. At least at the shroomery, we have 2 more people trying this besides Namaste soon. So far only myself, and Namaste only people on the planet. Works extremely well. I am a man of action not words, actions speak louder than words. I want to see action, enough with the words already. We got people over there posting their bottles of Sherry and peppermint, how's that for action.

 

[Bagseed]

Good to know gannetsarewe, just read wine goes bad once opened after several weeks, good thing it's only $6 a bottle, will just have to keep several un-opened bottles on hand, thank goodness it is cheap. Apparently the acetaldehyde in the wine converts to acetic acid in the wine once exposed to oxygen over time, not good for our experiments. Thanks! you are the man gannetsarewe. Gannetsarewe, if out of 3,000 people that have read this thread, no one will duplicate this experiment but myself, then there is no sense me sticking around. Going on 6 pages and no one here has tried this. At least at the shroomery, we have 2 more people trying this besides Namaste soon. So far only myself, and Namaste only people on the planet. Works extremely well. I am a man of action not words, actions speak louder than words. I want to see action, enough with the words already. We got people over there posting their bottles of Sherry and peppermint, how's that for action.

maybe it is because people with decent knowledge in chemistry have stated serious doubts about the viability of your procedure?

you avoiding discussion on that end doen't help your credibility to be honest.