Prohormones/Designer Steroids

Horrux said:
Yes it is banned by brand, but the active molecule is still available and legal. Same with the active in the original pheraplex and in the original halodrol. 3 great steroids.
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Hmm - I'll have to take a look at that - p-plex gives good results, one of my training partners used it and liked it - I just don't see the point of using these orals as opposed to say var/win/dbol/drol etc - even these have YEARS of case studies and more info on how liver toxic they are. Trust me the shit DOES catch up.
 
theartofwar said:
Hmm - I'll have to take a look at that - p-plex gives good results, one of my training partners used it and liked it - I just don't see the point of using these orals as opposed to say var/win/dbol/drol etc - even these have YEARS of case studies and more info on how liver toxic they are. Trust me the shit DOES catch up.
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Yeah well...

Drol and dbol are anabolic to CREATINE SYNTHESIS inside the muscle and have almost no effect on contractile protein, which is why they don't actually grow muscle. They are very toxic. So scratch those, please.

Winstrol will give you strength but almost no size, plus it will make your connective tissue brittle. Not a growth steroid, so scratch it.

Anavar will give very modest size gains, good strength and harness, with little toxicity. It is also very expensive. For contest prep it's great, but for putting on size, not. So scratch this one too.

Oral Turinabol is the only "black market" steroid that was designed for athletes. The MEDICAL steroids are for wasting diseases. It must come as no surprise that OT is the oral that will put on BY FAR the most meat on you. It is not very toxic (in between var and winny/dbol), it will give you lean meat and good strength.

The grey market designer steroids were researched and developed with athletes in mind and it shows. P-plex is IMO better than Tbol, and so is superdrol. As for Halodrol, well... It's Tbol's first metabolite and seems about on par with it.

AAS is my area of expertise, I make a living out of advising bodybuilders... ;)
 
Horrux said:
Yeah well...

Drol and dbol are anabolic to CREATINE SYNTHESIS inside the muscle and have almost no effect on contractile protein, which is why they don't actually grow muscle. They are very toxic. So scratch those, please.

Winstrol will give you strength but almost no size, plus it will make your connective tissue brittle. Not a growth steroid, so scratch it.

Anavar will give very modest size gains, good strength and harness, with little toxicity. It is also very expensive. For contest prep it's great, but for putting on size, not. So scratch this one too.

Oral Turinabol is the only "black market" steroid that was designed for athletes. The MEDICAL steroids are for wasting diseases. It must come as no surprise that OT is the oral that will put on BY FAR the most meat on you. It is not very toxic (in between var and winny/dbol), it will give you lean meat and good strength.

The grey market designer steroids were researched and developed with athletes in mind and it shows. P-plex is IMO better than Tbol, and so is superdrol. As for Halodrol, well... It's Tbol's first metabolite and seems about on par with it.

AAS is my area of expertise, I make a living out of advising bodybuilders... ;)
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dbol and drol are very androgenic - I don't know why you think dbol or drol are any less liver toxic than these new PHs bro, not trying to bash on what you are saying at all - I'm just curious if you have the research to prove this?

I'd have to disagree with everything else in your post, respectively. Comments like "not a growth steroid" - that shit just confuses me, every AAS with the correct diet will help you grow. The grey market steroids were made for money until another ban comes into affect. Sure, the better they work - the more they sell, but I doubt that they are concerned with your liver and health lol.

Again - not trying to be hostile, just my opinion, if you want me to post some facts about any of the drugs I mentioned I will, but I don't to hijack this thread - feel free to PM me about it, i'd love to know if I'm wrong - don't mind learning at all bro! Stay strong.
 
PARooolller said:
Where the fuck did all you new guys migrate from??

Introduce yourselves
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Hello my name is Horrux. I am 42 and have been an avid reader of erowid and other similar sites including ecstasydata.org and uh, other deceased sites since 1997 or so. I was member of a forum (this one? I'm not sure) around those days but didn't post much. I'm a bodybuilder but I enjoy the other fine effects that other fine substances offer, also. :)
 
Horrux said:
Hello my name is Horrux. I am 42 and have been an avid reader of erowid and other similar sites including ecstasydata.org and uh, other deceased sites since 1997 or so. I was member of a forum (this one? I'm not sure) around those days but didn't post much. I'm a bodybuilder but I enjoy the other fine effects that other fine substances offer, also. :)
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Welcome..You'll fit right in...It's nice to have some older heads on the board...

don't be afraid to post pics in our pic thread=D
 
23, started with boxing / football at a young age - that's where my love for lifting started. I wish I could say I stuck to that, but it's been a decade since I wasn't using any narcotics - I've got 2 months of opiates clear and that itch is fucking going nuts.
 
theartofwar said:
23, started with boxing / football at a young age - that's where my love for lifting started. I wish I could say I stuck to that, but it's been a decade since I wasn't using any narcotics - I've got 2 months of opiates clear and that itch is fucking going nuts.
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good work..just stick with it and the cravings get less intense after a while...

i've been clean from everything for 7 months tomorrow..
 
funny you say that - I've been through HELL w/these withdrawals - I've kicked H / OCs tons of times, suffered the week of agony and always went back eventually. Well methadone at 220mg is a hard fuck to handle!!! I'm glad I kicked it but my god - months of withdrawals, even though they are much better than the first 4 weeks I can barely believe how long it lasts. Recently whenever I have energy the old devil shows up and it's like all I want is to taste it again - fucking HATE being an addict. The fact I'm on doctors orders not to lift has really messed w/my head :( aswell - oh well, will power time, or not, only time will tell.
 
try detoxing from benzos...6 months of hell...makes opiate wds look like child's play..although methadone wds are hellish too
 
been there, still have benzo binges from time to time - did you have the seizures? Scary shit benzo w/d.
 
=( ugh, sorry bro - at least it's done now. Best of luck - I'll stfu and keep this on the PH/DH level where it was meant to be!!! Sorry I did NOT mean to hijack this at all!
 
Methadone withdrawal is not nearly as bad as benzo withdrawals; i've experienced both at high doses....


Also, trenbolone is easy and legal to buy in the form of Finaplex. You could easily make your own transdermal (I wouldnt attempt making an injectable; it can be problematic). Just type in "Finaplix-h" to google....

Personally, I wouldn't want to take tren because of the side-effects (being a progestin, people can have strange side-effects of a psychiatric nature).

Has anyone here run any of the turinabol prohormones (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol)? How does it compare to dianabol (turinabol is a simply a 4-chloro substituted dianabol)? I bought some of the German American Technologies "powerdrol", which is a turinabol PH/halodrol clone.
 
negrogesic said:
Methadone withdrawal is not nearly as bad as benzo withdrawals; i've experienced both at high doses....


Also, trenbolone is easy and legal to buy in the form of Finaplex. You could easily make your own transdermal (I wouldnt attempt making an injectable; it can be problematic). Just type in "Finaplix-h" to google....

Personally, I wouldn't want to take tren because of the side-effects (being a progestin, people can have strange side-effects of a psychiatric nature).

Has anyone here run any of the turinabol prohormones (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol)? How does it compare to dianabol (turinabol is a simply a 4-chloro substituted dianabol)? I bought some of the German American Technologies "powerdrol", which is a turinabol PH/halodrol clone.
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I love oral turinabol. It takes a bit to start seeing the gains but they are very solid, easily kept. No bloat, just meat.
 
negrogesic said:
Methadone withdrawal is not nearly as bad as benzo withdrawals; i've experienced both at high doses....


Also, trenbolone is easy and legal to buy in the form of Finaplex. You could easily make your own transdermal (I wouldnt attempt making an injectable; it can be problematic). Just type in "Finaplix-h" to google....

Personally, I wouldn't want to take tren because of the side-effects (being a progestin, people can have strange side-effects of a psychiatric nature).

Has anyone here run any of the turinabol prohormones (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol)? How does it compare to dianabol (turinabol is a simply a 4-chloro substituted dianabol)? I bought some of the German American Technologies "powerdrol", which is a turinabol PH/halodrol clone.
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exactly what I said regarding the tren since he didn't want to use injectables - but I'm curious as to why you wouldn't recommend making an injectable: it's not like syno where you have all the estradiol to have to deal with. Making tren is simple as pie.
 
Yes, its not that hard, but a transdermal is harder to fuck-up (and you won't get sick if you do)....

My epistane cycle is not over. I was taking no pills for 5 days because my second bottle got delayed. I guess im going to do 6 weeks. Did you use a full two bottles? I've gained a fair amount so far, relatively lean...

Oh and the clomid came; they work fast...
 
negrogesic said:
Yes, its not that hard, but a transdermal is harder to fuck-up (and you won't get sick if you do)....

My epistane cycle is not over. I was taking no pills for 5 days because my second bottle got delayed. I guess im going to do 6 weeks. Did you use a full two bottles? I've gained a fair amount so far, relatively lean...

Oh and the clomid came; they work fast...
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so that clomid source worked correct? i told u..looks so shady too lol...

Yeah I used both bottles...Very satisfied..took a long time to really gain though
 
theartofwar said:
first of all - superdrol is banned

second - finaplex is 100% LEGAL - and converting it is not like synovex where you need to worry about estradiol.

my point is you could just be taking real tren w/no hassle at all and legally obtained. Once you have done the conversion, yes it becomes a controlled substance.
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1rst SUPERDROL IS NOT BANNED....The old one by it self is.

BEST PRODUCT ON THE MARKET IS STAKABOL
3 different agents, HALADROL, SUPERDROL & PHERAPLEX.

Made under a low radar company Generation X labs, Give it till 2010 & it will be banned buy all u can.
in 1 month 15lbs of muscle. Better then some steriods I use to take back in the late 90's.
 
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