Kratom Kratom 101 - Useful stuff to know before first try?

[Salem_is_tired]

I don't recommend mixing powder kratom with water, it doesn't mix well and cause more stomach irritation since some of the fine powder can irritate the esophagus. Strongly recommend getting some empty capsules and filling them up and taking it that way.

I used to wash and toss kratom all the time because it was easier, but ever since I switched to capsules nausea has decreased substantially.

Don't exceed 4-5g per use if you are new to kratom. 5g will provide an opioid-like high to a newbie, in most cases.

Thank you!

I was thinking about the capsules, I was just avoiding it since, as you wrote it, the powder is really fine and I just know I would make a huge mass with stuffing the capsules :D I read about milk potentially, maybe can be a better alternative for water, but I'm not sure - Orange juice is the go-to as far as I see it.

I tried toss and wash, but again, I just made huge mass because the powder just decided to stop at one point, and I had Kratom even up in my nose as I was coughing :D

Thank you! I will try 5g on a empty stomach.

 

[deficiT]

Thank you!

I was thinking about the capsules, I was just avoiding it since, as you wrote it, the powder is really fine and I just know I would make a huge mass with stuffing the capsules :D I read about milk potentially, maybe can be a better alternative for water, but I'm not sure - Orange juice is the go-to as far as I see it.

I tried toss and wash, but again, I just made huge mass because the powder just decided to stop at one point, and I had Kratom even up in my nose as I was coughing :D

Thank you! I will try 5g on a empty stomach.

Yeah OJ is the way to go. Cinnamon and honey helps with the taste. Black pepper and turmeric help with potentiation.

Toss and wash sucks. Capsules suck. Mixing with water is straight up disgusting, never even considered milk but that sounds foul. I came to those conclusions over a very long period of experimentation with the stuff. Ten years. I did toss and wash for years, capsules off and on. All of them lead to potentially catastrophic stomach issues from horrible constipation, but I was dosing a lot. Still. OJ helps with all of that.

You can even get a bag of GNC protein powder (chocolate or vanilla, either is good) and mix in with your beverage and it turns it into a yummy super drink that also gives you energy.

 

[deficiT]

Capsules take too long to kick in and I feel you don't get the full effect

 

[deficiT]

Also eating that many capsules and making that many capsules is a massive drag and a hassle

 

[Salem_is_tired]

Yeah OJ is the way to go. Cinnamon and honey helps with the taste. Black pepper and turmeric help with potentiation.

Toss and wash sucks. Capsules suck. Mixing with water is straight up disgusting, never even considered milk but that sounds foul. I came to those conclusions over a very long period of experimentation with the stuff. Ten years. I did toss and wash for years, capsules off and on. All of them lead to potentially catastrophic stomach issues from horrible constipation, but I was dosing a lot. Still. OJ helps with all of that.

You can even get a bag of GNC protein powder (chocolate or vanilla, either is good) and mix in with your beverage and it turns it into a yummy super drink that also gives you energy.

Cinamon and honey, I will keep that in mind! :D I would have never guessed that black papper and turmeric can help with the potential - sounds like some interesing chemistry thing, but just imagining the taste in my mouth makes my vomit.

I also have a weak stomach, so thank you for the heads up - the last thing I want is sitting on the toilet all day or not going at all for days.

My partner has some protein powder so I will definitely get some and try it out that way - that sounds actually really good. If you don't mind a question: can kratom cause problems if I have it on a empty stomach? Maybe it just the bullshit talking from me, that my mother hammered in me and like a placebo-effect turning reality, but when I have coffee/energy drinks/alcohol on a bare stomach, I feel horrible. Lil'LinaptkSix mentioned crackers before I believe, should that be enough?

 

[deficiT]

Cinamon and honey, I will keep that in mind! :D I would have never guessed that black papper and turmeric can help with the potential - sounds like some interesing chemistry thing, but just imagining the taste in my mouth makes my vomit.

I also have a weak stomach, so thank you for the heads up - the last thing I want is sitting on the toilet all day or not going at all for days.

My partner has some protein powder so I will definitely get some and try it out that way - that sounds actually really good. If you don't mind a question: can kratom cause problems if I have it on a empty stomach? Maybe it just the bullshit talking from me, that my mother hammered in me and like a placebo-effect turning reality, but when I have coffee/energy drinks/alcohol on a bare stomach, I feel horrible. Lil'LinaptkSix mentioned crackers before I believe, should that be enough?

Well you can get turmeric capsules too, so don't need to necessarily taste it. And the black pepper you get either black seed oil, or just put a little of pepper in that junt. Don't really taste it.

It's not as rough as something like alcohol. But it does have the potential of making you nauseous though. Honestly taking it on too full of a stomach dampens the effects too much. Light eating should be fine if you're worried about having a totally empty stomach. It's related to the coffee plant, so there might be some similar effects in that aspect, idk.

 

[Salem_is_tired]

It's related to the coffee plant, so there might be some similar effects in that aspect, idk.

Be fucking close to the toilet, go it :D

 

[Salem_is_tired]

Well you can get turmeric capsules too, so don't need to necessarily taste it. And the black pepper you get either black seed oil, or just put a little of pepper in that junt. Don't really taste it.

It's not as rough as something like alcohol. But it does have the potential of making you nauseous though. Honestly taking it on too full of a stomach dampens the effects too much. Light eating should be fine if you're worried about having a totally empty stomach. It's related to the coffee plant, so there might be some similar effects in that aspect, idk.

Thank you! Wow, I would have never guessed that, there are that many options.

It is not? I don't know why, but I just automatically thought that it is worst than alcohol. I will have something small than, you to be sure. And thank you for the help again!

 

[deficiT]

Thank you! Wow, I would have never guessed that, there are that many options.

It is not? I don't know why, but I just automatically thought that it is worst than alcohol. I will have something small than, you to be sure. And thank you for the help again!

No problem! Oh no way, alcohol is way worse. But absolutely don't ever mix it with alcohol. That is terrible combo, learned that the hard way. Ruined my friends carpet with green throw up cause I was sleeping on the floor lmao

 

[chippermonk]

I've been just mixing in about 2.5 gms with about 8 oz of water, a sqeeze of lemon juice (but orange sounds good, too) and a little sugar. Stir it up for a minute, slug it down in one good gulp on an empty stomach. Works pretty good. Once I didn't get it mixed up well and inhaled some powder: not good. I like the lower dose 2.5 mg because it's a little more stimulating I think, plus it doesn't bother my stomach at all. It's a mild buzz at that level but very enjoyable to me. Sure makes me piss a lot though.
There is a website that talks about how it interacts with various legal and illegal drugs, has a long list, which is good to know from a HR point of view. (I'm not going to say the exact web address because I don't know if that is allowed)

 

[deficiT]

I've been just mixing in about 2.5 gms with about 8 oz of water, a sqeeze of lemon juice (but orange sounds good, too) and a little sugar. Stir it up for a minute, slug it down in one good gulp on an empty stomach. Works pretty good. Once I didn't get it mixed up well and inhaled some powder: not good. I like the lower dose 2.5 mg because it's a little more stimulating I think, plus it doesn't bother my stomach at all. It's a mild buzz at that level but very enjoyable to me. Sure makes me piss a lot though.
There is a website that talks about how it interacts with various legal and illegal drugs, has a long list, which is good to know from a HR point of view. (I'm not going to say the exact web address because I don't know if that is allowed)

Yeah, it is a diuretic I believe.

As long as it's not a vendors website you can post it. Alternatively you can copy/paste the list

 

[CmonYouShouldKnowBetter]

I don't recommend mixing powder kratom with water, it doesn't mix well and cause more stomach irritation since some of the fine powder can irritate the esophagus. Strongly recommend getting some empty capsules and filling them up and taking it that way.

I used to wash and toss kratom all the time because it was easier, but ever since I switched to capsules nausea has decreased substantially.

Don't exceed 4-5g per use if you are new to kratom. 5g will provide an opioid-like high to a newbie, in most cases.

Those dosages are highly subjective

 

[Jabberwocky]

There is a website that talks about how it interacts with various legal and illegal drugs, has a long list,

I typically brush off such things but I can confirm kratom does significantly interact with many, many drugs and medications in a very negative way. Everything from psych meds to weed.

There are a plethora of alkaloids in kratom, all with very promiscuous effects on the body.

Bad for both side effects and and interactions.

 

[deficiT]

I typically brush off such things but I can confirm kratom does significantly interact with many, many drugs and medications in a very negative way. Everything from psych meds to weed.

There are a plethora of alkaloids in kratom, all with very promiscuous effects on the body.

Bad for both side effects and and interactions.

Are you calling bae a slut

 

[Jabberwocky]

you wouldn't get it, mom

kratom is natural

 

[Salem_is_tired]

No problem! Oh no way, alcohol is way worse. But absolutely don't ever mix it with alcohol. That is terrible combo, learned that the hard way. Ruined my friends carpet with green throw up cause I was sleeping on the floor lmao

Hell, that must have been a fun night :D

 

[CmonYouShouldKnowBetter]

I've been just mixing in about 2.5 gms with about 8 oz of water, a sqeeze of lemon juice (but orange sounds good, too) and a little sugar. Stir it up for a minute, slug it down in one good gulp on an empty stomach. Works pretty good. Once I didn't get it mixed up well and inhaled some powder: not good. I like the lower dose 2.5 mg because it's a little more stimulating I think, plus it doesn't bother my stomach at all. It's a mild buzz at that level but very enjoyable to me. Sure makes me piss a lot though.
There is a website that talks about how it interacts with various legal and illegal drugs, has a long list, which is good to know from a HR point of view. (I'm not going to say the exact web address because I don't know if that is allowed)

If you are referring to kratom.org "exhaustive" list of kratom interactions, take it with a huge grain of salt. The claims made in that article are backed up by 0 sources. In fact, the only source they do link is a reddit thread! Its a good article if looking at contraidictions in a general sense (such as kratom is a CYP inhibitor so its aint great to take drugs metablized by CYP with it) BUT it is an article not peer-reviewed or written by anyone other than a copywriter for a website who's sole intent is to affiliate and advertise for kratom vendors. It should not be taken as medical advice at all

 

[Salem_is_tired]

I've been just mixing in about 2.5 gms with about 8 oz of water, a sqeeze of lemon juice (but orange sounds good, too) and a little sugar. Stir it up for a minute, slug it down in one good gulp on an empty stomach. Works pretty good. Once I didn't get it mixed up well and inhaled some powder: not good. I like the lower dose 2.5 mg because it's a little more stimulating I think, plus it doesn't bother my stomach at all. It's a mild buzz at that level but very enjoyable to me. Sure makes me piss a lot though.
There is a website that talks about how it interacts with various legal and illegal drugs, has a long list, which is good to know from a HR point of view. (I'm not going to say the exact web address because I don't know if that is allowed)

Sounds like an interesting recept for a lemonade :D

The powder is so fucking fine. I also realized it when I was mixing it in the yoghurt. The honey got some of it, but as I was working on it, I took a moment to look aside, laughed or said something to my bf, and ended up blowing the fucking powder all over. When you inhale with a donut in your mouth - even your lungs will be full with powdered sugar.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If you are referring to kratom.org "exhaustive" list of kratom interactions, take it with a huge grain of salt.

yeah, it's just as bad as googling anything

says the risk of combining kratom and quetiapine is death via quetiapine overdose... and the way it suggested this occurs was via CYP inhibition leading to cumulative overdose of an antipsychotic.

that's a fanciful but near impossible situation.

 

[CmonYouShouldKnowBetter]

I typically brush off such things but I can confirm kratom does significantly interact with many, many drugs and medications in a very negative way. Everything from psych meds to weed.

There are a plethora of alkaloids in kratom, all with very promiscuous effects on the body.

Bad for both side effects and and interactions.

Theres a legit case report of a dude ODing on Seroquel by way of kratom. The mitragynine inhibited CYP significantly enought to cause the blood concentration level of the quetiapine to rise to dangerous levels. I think we will see many more contraidictions and interactions in the future to come. Kratom is an opioid and 5HT antagonist alongside being a dopaminergic and adrenergic (and CYP inhibitor) and thats just what we know so far!

*edit - LOL we were writing about this at the same time apparently.