Opioids Is heroin really that much different?

[hauntedparadise]

For about 2 years I’ve been asking myself the very same question you posted. I’m not having trouble getting my opiates though, I get 90 20mg Oxys monthly from a pain doc for chronic daily headaches and chronic kidney stones.
I know it sounds like a lot of Oxys and you would probably be thrilled to be picking up that supply for a mere $10 copay at the pharmacy.
The truth is that is used to work wonderfully for me. But the pills don’t work as well for me anymore as I’ve built up a tolerance to them. I’m pretty much done with 70 of those pills in a week and then I have 20 pills for the next 3 weeks and I do another 10-12 in week 2 and I get panicked about how I’m going to make them last. I generally end up with about 3 pills to last me 1 week and I do everything I can to stave off withdrawals.
I have often thought that heroin might be a good way to augment the opiates I’m currently enjoying, though I haven’t actually read anything about it from people actually searching for pain control. I imagine that based on the chemistry alone, it should provide anesthetic results similar to other opiates.
So I haven’t made that leap. I hope never to. I hope to set aside at least 30 pills for the last 2 weeks so I don’t run out. I’ve get to better manage my pill consumption because I really don’t feel like making that giant leap you’re talking about, at least not today, anyway.

So you have a legal script for 1.8g of oxy per month for $10? That is like hitting the lottery. If I had a guaranteed source of essentially free oxy for life I would rather take that than a million dollars cash. I am sorry that you are going through so much pain and I understand that your situation is different from mine since I only use it recreationally. I can see how needing it for pain everyday would trap you into a cycle.

100%. That frustration of high price and lack of access is quickly replaced by dealing with an unregulated product and dealers all too willing to to let greed guide them with no concern for human safety sometimes. With oxycodone, you have the FDA guaranteeing what's in every pill. There is no greater anxiety than worrying about being dope sick and spending your last 20 dollars on garbage when 45 minutes ago the same dealer gave you fire. And, things are even worse nowadays with fentanyl in everything, but being gaslighted for life that it's really heroin. The built in safety nets that come with doing oxycodone don't exist with street heroin.

Yeah I am paranoid about it being cut with fent. Which I heard is not even that euphoric and ruins your tolerance. I was planning on purchasing from darknet markets because I am sketched out by trying to source it on the street. The only reason why I have been using oxy is because I personally knew the source before they recently moved. Hence my current situation.

 

[hauntedparadise]

Hey Haunted Paradise, you've asked a really good question that we often ask ourselves. Heroin is popular mainly for financial reasons. All the dudes had to do was take an already extremely addictive drug and use readily available Acetic Anhydride and you can increase the potency by almost double. An easy way to make extra money.

Now as far as using it goes, I've injected Morphine and I've injected Heroin (Diacetylmorphine). Thery are both very similar as you would expect. When I was in the middle east all I could get was Morphine. After experiencing a Morphine habit for 9 months, I feel I could do both without any complaints.

Heroin is metabolised into Morphine essentially. What makes it different are its active metabolites, mainly Monoacetylmorphine (6MAM). These are believed to be what gives Heroin its unique character.

Your problem is, Heroin has become less and less available. The quality of the dope has slowly been eroded by cuts of Fentanyl. So while you may actually get Heroin, it would be practical to plan for Fentanyl.

You are moving from a pharmaceutical, with verified contents and potency to a powder sold in little stamp bags. Maybe Heroin? Maybe Fentanyl? Maybe protein powder? The point is, I know you're a "weekend warrior" and by switching to Heroin you're entering a different world where nothing is for certain. You dont have milligrams, you have good and bad, fire and bunk.

We definitely dont want you to get hurt. You would be taking a pretty big step switching from Oxycodone to Heroin. It's pretty much what half the country did when the pill mills and crooked docs got shut down.

If you are by yourself and fearful of an overdose, call Never Use Alone. They are a service meant to prevent overdoses and deaths associated with drug use. Call them, tell them you're unsure. They will then call you back minutes later and if you dont pick up, they automatically send an ambulance.

Here is their number

8004843731

Keep us updated and let us know how you're doing.

Thank you for the info. I really appreciate everyone here and this forum. I have been lurking for a long time now and I feel like this place is more welcoming than most other online communities when dealing with our mutually shared interest. I am naturally a cautious person. A big part of why I use opiates is so I can have a temporary relief from my constant anxiety and worries.

I have never OD in all these years because I am careful with dosing. I understand that switching from a pharmaceutical drug to a street drug is different. But if I cannot find a new source for oxy I think I will probably try switching to H before actually quitting opiates. I do not want to lie to myself. I have only used by myself alone. That is one of the things I liked about opiates they are their own fun. Other drugs seem to need social interaction to be stimulating. I rather just peacefully drift away while listening to music or watching a movie by myself. I could never use with other people because I do not run in that kind of crowd. No one knows that I take opiates and I don't know anyone who takes it besides my source who moved away.

Try Kratom !!!! I used it to quit oxy’s once we could not find them anymore .. Honestly Kratom is not as good as oxy but it is something and it’s legal and you can buy online and at certain gas stations .
I actually really like Kratom ; energy boost , mood lift and relaxation.. It tastes like crap but it works and has been used in Asia for hundreds of years ..
Research Kratom , it’s a pretty amazing natural high .

Is kratom like poppy tea? I have tried poppy tea before and it did not really do anything for me. I don't know if I got a bad batch but I ended up drinking a lot more than what was recommended and I barely felt anything. I am looking for something with a stronger kick than tea alternatives.

 

[hauntedparadise]

Theres something lots of you seem to be forgetting.... almost all oxys these days are fentanyl too... so that argument completely goes out the window. Don't buy off the streets, go online where the vendors actually have accountability ( nobody wants to buy off somebody with negative user reviews) and you will get what you pay for. At the time of my post I completely forgot about kratom which would be an even better option. Cheap and legal and you can get a kilo of it on the clearweb for the price of a fancy dinner out.

I don't buy pressed pills for that reason. I had a source for legit oxy for years until they recently moved. Hence my current problem now. I have been finding other stop gaps like norcos and percocets. But finding blue roxies (my DOC) has been harder. I do not like stuff mixed with APAP because I have to swallow them but I like the ritual of sniffing it is my preferred ROA. That is why if buy H it would have to be #4. But I read that #4 is notoriously cut with fent. I do not want to IV or smoke #3. It may sound stupid but I do not want to be associated with a junkie. I believe if you start IV you will likely become addicted.

Heroin is way worse than pills. If you're taking pills, you generally know exactly what you're getting and that each pill contains x number of mgs. However, that all changes with heroin. If you make the switch, you will no longer know exactly what's in your drugs and in what dose. Often, you're stuff is going to contain fentanyl and God knows what else if you're buying heroin. Plus, there's bound to be an unknown amount of impurities in each batch, which complicates things even more. Going from predictable doses (e.g. the pills) to unpredictable doses (e.g. heroin) greatly increases your risk of overdosing.

Even if you're trying to be careful, you could still end up getting a batch that's stronger than what you're used to and overdosing, which doesn't happen when you're taking pills that contain measured doses of a particular opiate. Also, it isn't just the drug itself that's the problem. There's also the legal side of things. If you're using heroin, you're putting yourself at risk of serious legal problems that you wouldn't have to deal with if you didn't make the switch. That could be life ruining in and of itself, even if it were not for the dangers associated with the drug itself.

Then, on top of that, you'll have to hang with a certain crowd in order to get your drugs. The dynamic is going to be different than going to a friend's house to by weed, pain pills, or something like that. Chances are, you'll be going to somebody who is an actual drug dealer and not just a friend who sells to friends on the side. Plus, the chances are high that you'll make the switch from snorting to injecting at some point. I don't have firsthand experience, as I've never used it. For most people who do use it, the curiosity about what it's like to inject it eventually gets the better of them.

Then, once it does, the beast becomes essentially impossible for anyone to control from what I've heard. I've literally seen people go from being a college student with honors to a full-blown junkie who hasn't held a job in years with this shit. While pain pills like oxy can potentially be ruinously addictive, it's also very possible for someone to use them for years and years without going down that path. However, aside from the people I've known who only tried it a once or a few times, everyone I know who has done heroin ended up becoming a full-fledged junkie, had to go to rehab, had legal problems, etc.

I was planning on just buying from darknet markets. I do not run in drug social circles. If you saw me in public you would have never even imagined that I take opiates. I do not even drink coffee or alcohol. I look like the poster boy of the friendly neighbor nextdoor. I feel like that oxy actually improves my life. It makes me happy and productive. It relieves my stress and anxiety. I look forward to resetting on the weekends. I just love everything about it. From crush and cutting the pills into fine powder, to making lines and sniffing it. The entire ritual is soothing for me.

The thing is I have nothing to lose like other people. People have families, loved ones, great jobs and homes. I have nothing in my life. I have no real responsibilities besides my job which I mostly do from home. It may sound sad but occasionally doing opiates is the only thing that is keeping me going. I look forward to it and it motivates me to get through the week. I don't use everyday because I do not feel the need to and also I cannot afford an expensive daily habit even if I wanted to. I am too passive and anxious to ever resort to crime to pay for oxys. Another reason why I know I can't use everyday. I have a system of checks and balances to keep me on the straight path and it has worked for years.

I know it sounds like I am justifying my use but I am the lucky 10% of people who can just enjoy on the weekends without becoming addicted. I think it is just my personality. Opiates are the only thing that I have ever enjoyed doing. I do not even enjoy eating food or socializing with people like everyone else. I think that is why I am able to stay so functional and healthy despite my enjoyment of oxys.

 

[hauntedparadise]

I'm not sure how bad it is currently. I switched from oxycodone to heroin back in 2016, and at that point, everything was still legitimate pharmaceutical oxycodone that was very expensive and very, very difficult to find. Mostly, I only found it from people who had actual prescriptions. I had heard stories here and there, at that point, about the fake oxycodone with fentanyl, but had never seen it when I switched. Still, to this day, I've never seen one - but I have a feeling things are much different now than they were four years ago. Once I started doing heroin, oxycodone had no intrigue anymore, at all, so I never touched it again (street wise, I was prescribed it for heart surgeries, but it still never had it's same appeal to me.)

Yeah once I lost my long time source its been harder to find and more expensive. That is why I am debating whether or not to switch to H. I would have already if I wasn't so sketched out about it being cut with fent.

I literally cannot imagine losing appeal to oxy. I am deadly afraid of needles so even if I switched to H I would be only sniffing. I can see how if you are used to IV heroin that nothing would come close to the rush. But that is a line I would never cross.

I read all lot of stories it seems things take a bad turn as soon as people start IV. Successful chippers all seem to just sniff as their ROA. It really sucks that the pharma companies flooded the market with all these pills and now have restricted it so much.

I wish there was a market for raw oxycodone powder. Is it that much harder to produce? Why is fent so popular when the high is so short and not even that good (from what I hear)?

 

[Deru]

But that is a line I would never cross.

Sadly, I said the same thing. I was very stubborn and confident of that belief, I can not stress enough, the things you're saying almost all of us have said before

Since you plan to purchase off DNMs, that does change my advice a bit as the fentanyl problems are greatly reduced, among other potential issues seen only in open air type markets.

 

[HoldBack]

Heroin is different. While the effects may be largly identical to oxy, the euphoria on the rush (iv) is unmatched in my experience. The difference likely is less pronounced or altogether absent with other ROA’s.

while oxymorphone packs agood rush for me (and many many people say the same of hydromorphone), it lacks the euphoria of h even if it might knock you on your ass.

 

[Ganjcat]

Very different I think it is mostly to do with the limitless endorphin production and the roa for example I've always wanted to smoke heroin just to see how a roa like smoking would effect an opiate and despite all the negative addiction effects their is nothing nicer than seeing that dab of powder melting into the foil and inhaling a fat wad of vinegar flavoured smoke after rattling nothing better then after waiting hours the man ring you and says come outside nothing better than admiring a Q of smack after purchasing that amount for the first time nothing better than smoking none stop morning until night without worrying about running out thanks to buying 7 grams which I did the other week after going Liverpool to see some family who not knowing how much heroin cost gave me over £160 for "3 days worth" :D :D :D all i to do was catch a train which was also paid for and have some boring family talk and follow the rules such as I'm only allowed to use the stuff in the bathroom and they have to hold On to it all and give it to me at a set time (they talk to my grandma) unbeknownst to them I only gave them 10% of what I had hahahaha oh man those were some nice dreamy 3 days I think fubar would be proud

 

[Ganjcat]

Heroin is different. While the effects may be largly identical to oxy, the euphoria on the rush (iv) is unmatched in my experience. The difference likely is less pronounced or altogether absent with other ROA’s.

while oxymorphone packs agood rush for me (and many many people say the same of hydromorphone), it lacks the euphoria of h even if it might knock you on your ass.

The one and probably only line I have not crossed is iv and don't plan on anytime soon I think smoking is a lot more efficient in the long run it you have a good technique fuck iv man I know a dealer who ivs and hangs around with the other injecting junkies unfortunately I have to know them incase I need anything and he just happen to know the best dealers but man his legs and arms I've never been exposed to or seen anything like or everywhere purple, red , black and colours I don't even know spots all over his body I just thought fuc k it would suck going swimming and people seeing that On you it's sad to because he's actually a smart guy we both are but he hangs around with scum he sorts them all out on trust(obviously he will be making an extra tenner or so) but stuff is always going missing I refuse to stay in the house if he's picking up for me I either to with him or wait outside for him to go back so I can't be a suspect for something getting robbed that's how bad it is he thinks he's a fucking pimp because some of the local prostitute sluts (who have more marks on their body then him not that I thought that was possible) give him some action ugh and the sad part it the theiving little sluts are only doing it for a free chunk of white or dark and I might sound harsh calling them but I know in of the two fuckers stole my phone and the other one funnily enough I used to be friends with until yesterday when I sold her two bags and she said her boyfriend needed to go bank low and behold when I get their he says he's waiting for a cheque to clear until tomorrow come back tomorrow at 11 granted I could give him the benefit of the doubt because he didn't do smack he just helped her out plus he was a 7 foot(I'm not exaggerating) ex doorman low and behold I come back tomorrow for some reason he doesn't want to let me inside and makes me to away from their door and says I thought you were coming at 11 and then I knew obviously I had been a mug for trusting in people wanting to believe the best I do suspect though he didn't tell her about it because he led me away and said it was because she was sleeping even though we were talking happily 10 minutes before plus I think he's jealous because she blatantly fancies me and always offers to sort me out(give me drugs nothing else) if she can if he wasn't 7 foot I would have gave him some physical shit but it was more trouble than it's worth I still had plenty of gear but obviously knew it wouldn't last so needed every penny.

Let this be a lesson to newbies like me don't ever front your money if someone says they need to go bank then don't give it to them until they go bank and have your cash don't try and sound defensive just say it casually light hearted it's hard for people to pressure you and you would be surprised even though you know 99% they will do you how good people are at using social pressure to front your money for "just a sec" I am actually one of those people except I am nearly always telling the truth I've never had a dept yet that I haven't paid back I'm just not that type of person even if it means I will go without the way I see it it's not my money it's theirs which they have kindly leant you and trusted you like I did with that fucking ***************************** a lot of words that would get me banned I'm not even gonna start but you live and you learn eh I know I'm gonna regret it though when I have to ask my man to tick me 15 so I can buy an egg and he might not be able to it he can he will because he knows I'm good for it he's have it me On trust full and part(some paid for some loaned) more times then I can count wow writing this has made my gear last longer I'm gonna smoke it now I love you bluelight forum which basically means every member even the cunts not that I'm naming names but their is a certain count who always seems to have an annoying profile picture I can just tell he's one of those people who you would love to Punch no hard punch or anything person just a nice one two on the nose you know who you are "COUGH" "COUGH" GHOSTINDARKNESS GHOSTINDARKNESS

 

[Ganjcat]

I you all so much my brother's and sisters and the bristers

 

[Ganjcat]

 

[Ganjcat]

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Very different I think it is mostly to do with the limitless endorphin production and the roa for example I've always wanted to smoke heroin just to see how a roa like smoking would effect an opiate and despite all the negative addiction effects their is nothing nicer than seeing that dab of powder melting into the foil and inhaling a fat wad of vinegar flavoured smoke after rattling nothing better then after waiting hours the man ring you and says come outside nothing better than admiring a Q of smack after purchasing that amount for the first time nothing better than smoking none stop morning until night without worrying about running out thanks to buying 7 grams which I did the other week after going Liverpool to see some family who not knowing how much heroin cost gave me over £160 for "3 days worth" :D :D :D all i to do was catch a train which was also paid for and have some boring family talk and follow the rules such as I'm only allowed to use the stuff in the bathroom and they have to hold On to it all and give it to me at a set time (they talk to my grandma) unbeknownst to them I only gave them 10% of what I had hahahaha oh man those were some nice dreamy 3 days I think fubar would be proud

And this, @hauntedparadise is exactly why you shouldn't switch from oxys to heroin..

 

[Ganjcat]

I would love some heroin now

 

[Ganjcat]

Even just a bag

 

[Ganjcat]

Hey if you can do it more power to you. Just want to make it known that it's a small, minuscule minority of people who can do it like that.

"I was just planning on doing heroin temporarily" famous last words...

 

[Ganjcat]

If you do heroin for first time best way to do it is place a bag on foil put all of it one two bags tops then melt it all in with a lighter make sure you keep the flame moving don't keep it in one spot when it is all melted into shatter wait for it to cool down then remove the shatter from the foil now all you have to do is break a little bit off and run it up and down using a pen tube bic pen to inhale your welcome

 

[G_Chem]

I can only reiterate, heroin will rob you of everything. My experience mirrors everyone else’s here.

I was able to fairly casually use opiates for years trying morphine, hydrocodone, Oxycodone, etc.. But that first time trying “raw” heroin (had even tried impure street heroin at this point) is seared into my memory for eternity.

A close friend was similar to me in that we struggled a lot in HS, we both barely graduated with 1.0GPA’s. Everyone was so proud of her that she graduated and was actually going to a 2yr (a big deal if you knew how we lived).

I remember at her graduation party the cops showed up and I ran into the cornfield next to the house til they left. The opiates must’ve made my allergies worse cuz I came out allsorts of fucked up. Her crack head mom tended to me sweetly. That night when I arrived she yelled my name and ran to give me a big hug like usual, I’ll never forget that..

That was the last memory I have of her. Less than a week later, and it’s a sunny gorgeous summer day. I just picked up a mega shit ton of oxy that day, the kind of amount that gives you a sense of comfort knowing you won’t be hurting for a minute.

I got the dreaded call and just went numb. My friend told me she overdosed but she may still be alive. We all rushed as quickly as we could to the hospital. Ran up to the room she was in and what I saw before me was no longer my friend. She was already gone, just some machines keeping her “alive.”

As my friend kneeled next to her crying “please come back!” Her Dad was sitting staring out the window, and after a minute without looking back yelled “She’s never coming back!!”

Then of course you got cops up your ass asking this question and that.

The worst part, I went right to that hospital bathroom and got high.

I wish that was an isolated story, it’s far from it. I can’t think of anyone who’s OD’ed on oxy but know tons who have on heroin.

-GC

 

[JessFR]

I'm gonna be honest here. This all sounds a lot like the kinda justifications I've made hundreds of times before. Always with the same conclusion.. "keep using".

If you weren't a junkie, I suspect your first thought would be "oh well I guess I'll just have to stop for now. See if availability improves, if not I'll see if there's another option later down the line". Not "oh well, time to try heroin". I say "I suspect" because I most definitely am a junkie and would definitely also make the same justifications.

Sorry man it's just, a lot of us are gonna recognize what looks a lot like junkie logic. It's where you make rationalizations, sometimes really persuasive rationalizations, for why you gotta keep using.

I've known junkies who were scared of needles and said they'd never wind up injecting for that reason. Didn't help.

So. If you really think you're not a junkie, my advice would be to simply stop for the time being rather than move to heroin. If you can't cause you're dependent, there are substitution programs.

 

[iLoveYouWithaKnife]

I have a foolproof system to keep me from becoming an addict.

Please be careful. We all once thought we were above it, as well.

 

[HoldBack]

The one and probably only line I have not crossed is iv and don't plan on anytime soon I think smoking is a lot more efficient in the long run it you have a good technique fuck iv man I know a dealer who ivs and hangs around with the other injecting junkies unfortunately I have to know them incase I need anything and he just happen to know the best dealers but man his legs and arms I've never been exposed to or seen anything like or everywhere purple, red , black and colours I don't even know spots all over his body I just thought fuc k it would suck going swimming and people seeing that On you it's sad to because he's actually a smart guy we both are but he hangs around with scum he sorts them all out on trust(obviously he will be making an extra tenner or so) but stuff is always going missing I refuse to stay in the house if he's picking up for me I either to with him or wait outside for him to go back so I can't be a suspect for something getting robbed that's how bad it is he thinks he's a fucking pimp because some of the local prostitute sluts (who have more marks on their body then him not that I thought that was possible) give him some action ugh and the sad part it the theiving little sluts are only doing it for a free chunk of white or dark and I might sound harsh calling them but I know in of the two fuckers stole my phone and the other one funnily enough I used to be friends with until yesterday when I sold her two bags and she said her boyfriend needed to go bank low and behold when I get their he says he's waiting for a cheque to clear until tomorrow come back tomorrow at 11 granted I could give him the benefit of the doubt because he didn't do smack he just helped her out plus he was a 7 foot(I'm not exaggerating) ex doorman low and behold I come back tomorrow for some reason he doesn't want to let me inside and makes me to away from their door and says I thought you were coming at 11 and then I knew obviously I had been a mug for trusting in people wanting to believe the best I do suspect though he didn't tell her about it because he led me away and said it was because she was sleeping even though we were talking happily 10 minutes before plus I think he's jealous because she blatantly fancies me and always offers to sort me out(give me drugs nothing else) if she can if he wasn't 7 foot I would have gave him some physical shit but it was more trouble than it's worth I still had plenty of gear but obviously knew it wouldn't last so needed every penny.

Let this be a lesson to newbies like me don't ever front your money if someone says they need to go bank then don't give it to them until they go bank and have your cash don't try and sound defensive just say it casually light hearted it's hard for people to pressure you and you would be surprised even though you know 99% they will do you how good people are at using social pressure to front your money for "just a sec" I am actually one of those people except I am nearly always telling the truth I've never had a dept yet that I haven't paid back I'm just not that type of person even if it means I will go without the way I see it it's not my money it's theirs which they have kindly leant you and trusted you like I did with that fucking ***************************** a lot of words that would get me banned I'm not even gonna start but you live and you learn eh I know I'm gonna regret it though when I have to ask my man to tick me 15 so I can buy an egg and he might not be able to it he can he will because he knows I'm good for it he's have it me On trust full and part(some paid for some loaned) more times then I can count wow writing this has made my gear last longer I'm gonna smoke it now I love you bluelight forum which basically means every member even the cunts not that I'm naming names but their is a certain count who always seems to have an annoying profile picture I can just tell he's one of those people who you would love to Punch no hard punch or anything person just a nice one two on the nose you know who you are "COUGH" "COUGH" GHOSTINDARKNESS GHOSTINDARKNESS

exactly. I always just say I need to see the drugs before I hand over any money.

I will agree that IV takes an addiction to the extreme, but even if you arejust smoking opis, you will eventually get to a point where you will break every rule, value, and expectation you’ve ever set for yourself.

you can be eating your opis and your brain will eventually default to “I can function, but I just need to get a little but high first.”

when you change what “normal” is, everything changes with it. And you may well be dependent for a while before you become the one doing the stealing.

don’t mean to lecture, in just disappointed in how much of my life I’ve wasted and continue to waste. I hate seeing the same Thing happen to others...