Opioids Is heroin really that much different?

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

I appreciate the replies. Could you tell me your story if you don't mind? I always like reading about the experience of others because it seems like we are connected on the same journey if that makes sense.

I don't want to try fent because I don't want to risk ODing and I read that synthetic opiates have no euphoria just drowsiness.

I definitely know what you mean. Opiates are the only drugs that I actually like. Everything else just gives me massive anxiety or just puts me to sleep. I don't even like alcohol or weed. I first got my taste of opiates years back when after an accident. I was given hydrocodone pills which I really liked. Then three years ago I ran into someone who had a source of roxies. Of course I was going to like those too.

I just can't imagine how much better heroin could be over oxy. I literally cannot wrap my mind around it. But then again I am not a fiend. All it does is give me a sense of relaxation. It just removes all that anxiety and stress. I know some people crave oxy and cannot live without it and I imagine these are the same people who get addicted to heroin. But I am not like that. I know I sound smug but I am not trying to be. I've kept it under control for years now I don't think I have the addiction gene that other people do.

I remember thinking enjoying oxycodone on occasion that I would quit by the end of the year and suffer any consequences and never look back. Well it's been four years now. I'm ashamed to say that I go through periods of clean time but have never been able to permanently kick it. I am rather young, so I'm optimistic about my time to continue fighting it. But oxycodone is in itself a bitch and a half and I wouldn't wish opiate addiction upon anyone. It really is too hard sometimes. It feels impossible actually. I've been a year clean and it was the worst year of my life, but personal issues and a bad relationship did not help me enjoy my time off opioids. I am so exhausted from it all. It still feels good if I use but it will never be like it ever was and tolerance has absolutely nothing to do with it. There's actually a limited amount of times you can get high off opiates before the mental thrill of it literally is permanently lost and everything is just so shitty and miserable. I will keep trying and I do live my life as if it's unaltered and work hard at what I want to be good at. This is all from not even heroin but the weaker form that still ruins many lives. This is why I do not have any interest in heroin. I already have struggled so much with its lesser evil. I know that if I start thinking heroin is one-and-the-same as oxycodone, I will never come back from it. I keep forgetting that heroin even exists.

Oxycodone is one hell of a demon--but it lacks something in its composition that heroin possesses. People on oxycodone often have actual lives. They can work a job and many oxycodone addicts have children and are in romances (often even with a partner who does not use). People around them still love them. This is important to note.. because many people who made the switch to heroin from oxy lost everything, and the only thing they had interest in within the milky way galaxy is heroin, heroin, and more heroin. Oh, and a lot of heroin. Heroooiiiin. Some of those individuals are homeless now. They genuinely thought that oxycodone was wonderful but heroin can't be that different. They tried it and I'm sure they'd say the rest was a bit of a blur. Heroin is the most powerful substance on the planet in my opinion. People struggle quitting heroin more than anything I've ever seen (not just drug wise but literally any activity, job, etc). They simply can not quit and it will not happen in their life time. Still, they should never give up and repeatedly always try to improve their lives and conditions.

My life is excellent. I'm super handsome, in an amazing relationship that I want to last permanently, and I am highly educated and from a loving home. I still struggle greatly with oxycodone. I also like adderall. I don't care about any other substances besides the two. Adderall is much easier to control in terms of usage but it has different problems. I know you think that you can try heroin and measure it out or water it down--all this won't matter soon. Heroin will be the only thing you have interest in. I would say that this would be less likely to happen if you were simply trying it once. However, you intend on temporarily using it to replace oxycodone and then move back to the oxycodone as if it never happened. This is not possible for someone who likes oxycodone. By the 5th time of heroin use your fate will most likely be sealed. Maybe you can kick the habit eventually, but from what I've seen nobody really does unless they're forced onto suboxone permanently or methadone for an unforeseen amount of time.

Oh and my mother was a former heroin addict. She is the only person I know who was able to stop using without suboxone or methadone. She was a total loser for an entire decade (an awful woman until she quit) and so much so that my grandfather cut her out of his will/inheritance. He said she would spend every damn penny on dope. She said, "damn he was right!" And we laughed about it. She is the best liar--probably obtained from her years of heroin use. I do know that she relapsed once while I was in high school, and by some miracle avoided prison when she was arrested because she was one bag of good ole dopey dope away from a dealer charge (she was only using but its safe to say she really enjoyed it quite a bit). The fact that you also only like opiates only makes me really know that you probably won't be able to stop with will power alone. I still stand by you not trying it. You will wake up daily and it will be the only thing you think about doing even if you do not use on weekdays. You will never be able to stop thinking about it. Even once you've obtained a more than sufficient high, you will be spending the next half hour resisting the urge to redose. It is hideous. It literally will be the loneliest place you have ever known and will know. I know many addicts who have been on heroin. They all say that it brought them to a place that was so fucking miserable they fantasized about intentionally overdosing or offing themselves. I am far from a DARE officer and I have no interest in pushing an anti-drug agenda. This is my observation on the substance and what it takes away from you. Literally everything. I only recommend heroin to someone who has nothing good within their life, no one and nothing to protect, or is looking for a final joy ride before their physical illness finally takes them from the world. And even then, there are much better ways to spend your time. Seriously heroin is the devil and oxycodone is the worst.

 

[Tubbs]

Hard to do less when you have no idea what the actual purity of the heroin is.... could do a line and not feel shit... or you might wake up to emts hitting you with your 2nd shot of narcan.... or you might not wake up.... lot more fent out there than actual dope these days....

 

[hauntedparadise]

The fact that you also only like opiates only makes me really know that you probably won't be able to stop with will power alone. I still stand by you not trying it. You will wake up daily and it will be the only thing you think about doing even if you do not use on weekdays. You will never be able to stop thinking about it. Even once you've obtained a more than sufficient high, you will be spending the next half hour resisting the urge to redose. It is hideous. It literally will be the loneliest place you have ever known and will know. I know many addicts who have been on heroin. They all say that it brought them to a place that was so fucking miserable they fantasized about intentionally overdosing or offing themselves. I am far from a DARE officer and I have no interest in pushing an anti-drug agenda. This is my observation on the substance and what it takes away from you. Literally everything. I only recommend heroin to someone who has nothing good within their life, no one and nothing to protect, or is looking for a final joy ride before their physical illness finally takes them from the world. And even then, there are much better ways to spend your time. Seriously heroin is the devil and oxycodone is the worst.

As sad as it sounds the only thing I look forward to these days is pushing off with oxy. It is not even the high I look forward to. I just like how it melts away all my anxiety and stress. I have tried benzos but that just makes me go to sleep and is not enjoyable to me.

Thank you for sharing your story. You said there was a heroin thread that I should read. If you can find it could you post the link? I am having a hard time finding it.

 

[hauntedparadise]

Hard to do less when you have no idea what the actual purity of the heroin is.... could do a line and not feel shit... or you might wake up to emts hitting you with your 2nd shot of narcan.... or you might not wake up.... lot more fent out there than actual dope these days....

That is my biggest concern. Why is fent so popular? I heard it is not even that euphoric.

if you have no addiction to the stubstance or dont get any wd then just stop, don't go the H route and if really have to keep the oxy use to weekends only but even that won't stay at weekends forever. But if you want my input or advice, quit while you ahead.

What makes H more addictive than oxy? If I was able to chip oxy for years is that not possible with H? Is it that much better?

 

[hauntedparadise]

I was in the same position as you back in 2016. I, too, made the decision to go to heroin because I was constantly sick and the prices skyrocketed and I was in severe debt and I was losing the ability to hold it all together. Instead of going to rehab, I started buying heroin. 9 months later, I had sepsis and endocarditis. 3 open heart surgeries later, an artificial heart valve, a pacemaker and the loss of my lower lobe in right lung, I wish I could go back in time and just have dealt with it then. Now I'm 33 years old, disabled and I'll be lucky to live to 60. I can't stress enough, that is a terrible, terrible, terrible reason to switch to heroin.

I am very sorry to read this. Did this occur because of IV use? I was under the impression sniffing was relatively safe.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

@hauntedparadise i have years/decades of opiate addiction experience and to give you all the reason why not to go down that route is just too long for me. I honestly would just advice you to stay away from opiates full stop if you don't need them for some form of severe or chronic pain. Yes the high is nice and nice to do once in a while but believe me when i say it won't stay just once a while for always and H i personal find to grab you by the balls a lot quicker then oxy for instance and then it doesn't wanna let go.

That's me and me.. Wish you all the best

 

[EphemeralOutlet141]

I am so scared of needles I would never cross that line. I don't think I have that addiction gene. I have been able to chip oxy for the past 3 years now. I understand heroin is a whole new beast which is why I have hesitated for this long. I was just planning to switch to heroin temporarily until the pill market gets back up again. This covid quarantine has really screwed things up.

I don't have the money to support an everyday habit even if I wanted to.

Hey if you can do it more power to you. Just want to make it known that it's a small, minuscule minority of people who can do it like that.

 

[4meSM]

As sad as it sounds the only thing I look forward to these days is pushing off with oxy. It is not even the high I look forward to. I just like how it melts away all my anxiety and stress.

This is a pretty big red flag in my opinion. The only thing saving you from a full blown addiction might be the lack of a steady supply. Plus it seems like you're romanticizing heroin a bit.
I don't think it's the right moment to try heroin, in fact you should probably consider taking a break from oxy.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

This is a pretty big red flag in my opinion. The only thing saving you from a full blown addiction might be the lack of a steady supply. Plus it seems like you're romanticizing heroin a bit.
I don't think it's the right moment to try heroin, in fact you should probably consider taking a break from oxy.

Well said and agree fully

 

[Fiori di Bella]

For about 2 years I’ve been asking myself the very same question you posted. I’m not having trouble getting my opiates though, I get 90 20mg Oxys monthly from a pain doc for chronic daily headaches and chronic kidney stones.
I know it sounds like a lot of Oxys and you would probably be thrilled to be picking up that supply for a mere $10 copay at the pharmacy.
The truth is that is used to work wonderfully for me. But the pills don’t work as well for me anymore as I’ve built up a tolerance to them. I’m pretty much done with 70 of those pills in a week and then I have 20 pills for the next 3 weeks and I do another 10-12 in week 2 and I get panicked about how I’m going to make them last. I generally end up with about 3 pills to last me 1 week and I do everything I can to stave off withdrawals.
I have often thought that heroin might be a good way to augment the opiates I’m currently enjoying, though I haven’t actually read anything about it from people actually searching for pain control. I imagine that based on the chemistry alone, it should provide anesthetic results similar to other opiates.
So I haven’t made that leap. I hope never to. I hope to set aside at least 30 pills for the last 2 weeks so I don’t run out. I’ve get to better manage my pill consumption because I really don’t feel like making that giant leap you’re talking about, at least not today, anyway.

 

[Deru]

This is a pretty big red flag in my opinion. The only thing saving you from a full blown addiction might be the lack of a steady supply. Plus it seems like you're romanticizing heroin a bit.
I don't think it's the right moment to try heroin, in fact you should probably consider taking a break from oxy.

100%. That frustration of high price and lack of access is quickly replaced by dealing with an unregulated product and dealers all too willing to to let greed guide them with no concern for human safety sometimes. With oxycodone, you have the FDA guaranteeing what's in every pill. There is no greater anxiety than worrying about being dope sick and spending your last 20 dollars on garbage when 45 minutes ago the same dealer gave you fire. And, things are even worse nowadays with fentanyl in everything, but being gaslighted for life that it's really heroin. The built in safety nets that come with doing oxycodone don't exist with street heroin.

 

[Fiori di Bella]

100%. That frustration of high price and lack of access is quickly replaced by dealing with an unregulated product and dealers all too willing to to let greed guide them with no concern for human safety sometimes. With oxycodone, you have the FDA guaranteeing what's in every pill. There is no greater anxiety than worrying about being dope sick and spending your last 20 dollars on garbage when 45 minutes ago the same dealer gave you fire. And, things are even worse nowadays with fentanyl in everything, but being gaslighted for life that it's really heroin. The built in safety nets that come with doing oxycodone don't exist with street heroin.

I’m just curious, is most Oxy that people buy, from sources other than a pharmacy, the real thing? I have heard so many stories about the pills people sell being fake.

 

[Keif' Richards]

Hey Haunted Paradise, you've asked a really good question that we often ask ourselves. Heroin is popular mainly for financial reasons. All the dudes had to do was take an already extremely addictive drug and use readily available Acetic Anhydride and you can increase the potency by almost double. An easy way to make extra money.

Now as far as using it goes, I've injected Morphine and I've injected Heroin (Diacetylmorphine). Thery are both very similar as you would expect. When I was in the middle east all I could get was Morphine. After experiencing a Morphine habit for 9 months, I feel I could do both without any complaints.

Heroin is metabolised into Morphine essentially. What makes it different are its active metabolites, mainly Monoacetylmorphine (6MAM). These are believed to be what gives Heroin its unique character.

Your problem is, Heroin has become less and less available. The quality of the dope has slowly been eroded by cuts of Fentanyl. So while you may actually get Heroin, it would be practical to plan for Fentanyl.

You are moving from a pharmaceutical, with verified contents and potency to a powder sold in little stamp bags. Maybe Heroin? Maybe Fentanyl? Maybe protein powder? The point is, I know you're a "weekend warrior" and by switching to Heroin you're entering a different world where nothing is for certain. You dont have milligrams, you have good and bad, fire and bunk.

We definitely dont want you to get hurt. You would be taking a pretty big step switching from Oxycodone to Heroin. It's pretty much what half the country did when the pill mills and crooked docs got shut down.

If you are by yourself and fearful of an overdose, call Never Use Alone. They are a service meant to prevent overdoses and deaths associated with drug use. Call them, tell them you're unsure. They will then call you back minutes later and if you dont pick up, they automatically send an ambulance.

Here is their number

8004843731

Keep us updated and let us know how you're doing.

 

[Deru]

I’m just curious, is most Oxy that people buy, from sources other than a pharmacy, the real thing? I have heard so many stories about the pills people sell being fake.

I'm not sure how bad it is currently. I switched from oxycodone to heroin back in 2016, and at that point, everything was still legitimate pharmaceutical oxycodone that was very expensive and very, very difficult to find. Mostly, I only found it from people who had actual prescriptions. I had heard stories here and there, at that point, about the fake oxycodone with fentanyl, but had never seen it when I switched. Still, to this day, I've never seen one - but I have a feeling things are much different now than they were four years ago. Once I started doing heroin, oxycodone had no intrigue anymore, at all, so I never touched it again (street wise, I was prescribed it for heart surgeries, but it still never had it's same appeal to me.)

 

[Larimar]

I’m just curious, is most Oxy that people buy, from sources other than a pharmacy, the real thing? I have heard so many stories about the pills people sell being fake.

You have to know someone who has a script and is willing to sell them and you have to trust that this person is truthful.
I got my oxy 40’s from a old guy my husband is friends with that has had a bad back after a accident and he has had this script for 20years .. he weaned himself down and only takes a few of the pills a week and sold us the rest ... we got legit pills and he got some spending money his controlling wife didn’t know about , lol.
He eventually lost his script this year after his doctor retired and me and my husband quit by using Kratom ...

 

[Larimar]

Try Kratom !!!! I used it to quit oxy’s once we could not find them anymore .. Honestly Kratom is not as good as oxy but it is something and it’s legal and you can buy online and at certain gas stations .
I actually really like Kratom ; energy boost , mood lift and relaxation.. It tastes like crap but it works and has been used in Asia for hundreds of years ..
Research Kratom , it’s a pretty amazing natural high .

 

[LandsUnknown]

Heroin is way worse than pills. If you're taking pills, you generally know exactly what you're getting and that each pill contains x number of mgs. However, that all changes with heroin. If you make the switch, you will no longer know exactly what's in your drugs and in what dose. Often, you're stuff is going to contain fentanyl and God knows what else if you're buying heroin. Plus, there's bound to be an unknown amount of impurities in each batch, which complicates things even more. Going from predictable doses (e.g. the pills) to unpredictable doses (e.g. heroin) greatly increases your risk of overdosing.

Even if you're trying to be careful, you could still end up getting a batch that's stronger than what you're used to and overdosing, which doesn't happen when you're taking pills that contain measured doses of a particular opiate. Also, it isn't just the drug itself that's the problem. There's also the legal side of things. If you're using heroin, you're putting yourself at risk of serious legal problems that you wouldn't have to deal with if you didn't make the switch. That could be life ruining in and of itself, even if it were not for the dangers associated with the drug itself.

Then, on top of that, you'll have to hang with a certain crowd in order to get your drugs. The dynamic is going to be different than going to a friend's house to by weed, pain pills, or something like that. Chances are, you'll be going to somebody who is an actual drug dealer and not just a friend who sells to friends on the side. Plus, the chances are high that you'll make the switch from snorting to injecting at some point. I don't have firsthand experience, as I've never used it. For most people who do use it, the curiosity about what it's like to inject it eventually gets the better of them.

Then, once it does, the beast becomes essentially impossible for anyone to control from what I've heard. I've literally seen people go from being a college student with honors to a full-blown junkie who hasn't held a job in years with this shit. While pain pills like oxy can potentially be ruinously addictive, it's also very possible for someone to use them for years and years without going down that path. However, aside from the people I've known who only tried it a once or a few times, everyone I know who has done heroin ended up becoming a full-fledged junkie, had to go to rehab, had legal problems, etc.

 

[Pickledlemons]

Theres something lots of you seem to be forgetting.... almost all oxys these days are fentanyl too... so that argument completely goes out the window. Don't buy off the streets, go online where the vendors actually have accountability ( nobody wants to buy off somebody with negative user reviews) and you will get what you pay for. At the time of my post I completely forgot about kratom which would be an even better option. Cheap and legal and you can get a kilo of it on the clearweb for the price of a fancy dinner out.

 

[Pickledlemons]

Have you made the switch as well? Are the highs pretty much the same?

I've used both drugs, I dont particularly like either compared to other opes, but yes their effects are very similar. Some say oxys are more stimulating but I never got that effect.

 

[hauntedparadise]

@hauntedparadise i have years/decades of opiate addiction experience and to give you all the reason why not to go down that route is just too long for me. I honestly would just advice you to stay away from opiates full stop if you don't need them for some form of severe or chronic pain. Yes the high is nice and nice to do once in a while but believe me when i say it won't stay just once a while for always and H i personal find to grab you by the balls a lot quicker then oxy for instance and then it doesn't wanna let go.

That's me and me.. Wish you all the best

What makes H different from other opiates like oxy? That was my original question to this thread. It seems like people trade one addiction for another when they switch. But if I am not an addict to begin with. The thought of taking street drugs like H did sketch me out for a long time. But if I can't get a hold of oxys it seems like it is the only alternative.

This is a pretty big red flag in my opinion. The only thing saving you from a full blown addiction might be the lack of a steady supply. Plus it seems like you're romanticizing heroin a bit.
I don't think it's the right moment to try heroin, in fact you should probably consider taking a break from oxy.

I will be lying if I say that I am not curious about H. People make it sound so much better than oxy which I cannot even fathom. I do take a break once in awhile from opiates in general. Especially since I do not have a steady source now. I do eventually want to at least just try it once and then go back to oxy when the market supply increases again. Or maybe I will stop someday. I just feel like I do not have a reason to right now.

When I hear these horror stories it is always people who have lost their high paying jobs, families, homes ,etc. But I do not have any of that to begin with I have nothing to lose. Plus I believe I do not have the addiction gene. I do not even like alcohol or coffee. Opiates are the only thing that I actually enjoyed doing. It helps me reset on the weekends from all the anxiety and stress that built up throughout the week.

It might sound stupid but I think oxy makes me a more productive and emotionally stable person.