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Damn it, the stimulant/sleep deprivation psychosis has started making itself known. Manifesting mainly as intense auditory hallucinations - hearing countless voices simultaneously, the the whistle of the wind hitting the trees was distorted into another voice.

I much prefer the 'helicopter taking off' noise that comes with the rush from a high dose - like the 'aluminium train' on Cocaine.
 
All these replacement phenidates seem to be either very shit or potentially dangerous.

I researched the dosage range for 3fpm yesterday and 70mg was stated as the upper limit for safety. Due to tolerance i bombed the 70mg, didnt feel a fucking thing except very bad tachcycardia when it first kicked in. Thankfully that wore off after about 30 minutes of walking very slowly and stopping for a rest. But that obviously has to get ditched, if i push the dose im either gonna end up in hospital or dead. Im already having heart problems with eph and pent allnighters, and really must stop doing them for a lot of very good reasons, the problem is the compulsive nature of these sessions. And my own weak will.

I researched ethylnaphinate this morning, and there seems to be a lot of safety concerns about that too. Recommended dose is 5mg intranasal. Any more and heart problems set in. People have been taking 300mg and ending up in hospital. On the positive side it is being regarded as very close to cocaine in its effects, including the short duration. On the negative side that could easily lead to compulsive redosing.

The vendors new business model is not good long term business practice. Putting your customer base in the morgue or hospital will not be good for business.

Thank you ACMD for your latest round of bans. :\ Do you see what has happened as a direct result. :! This is the clearest example yet that banning specific substances does nothing except lead to the introduction of even more dangerous and untested compounds. I thought you guys were supposed to be clever. Then again you probably live in Ivory Towers, and not the Real World. Fucking ludicrous ridiculous policy making. :X Id possibly even go so far as to prefer the only viable alternatives, a complete blanket ban on all legal highs, or just turn a blind eye to the whole thing, as you have been doing for several years until something high profile happens. The current policy just does not make any sense on any level. How many times do they need to see this practice fail to realise that it's not working. 8(

Decriminalisation/Legalisation will never happen unless the Green Party and Liberal Democrats form a coalition government. At the moment there's more chance of Elvis phoning me up than that happening, but if propotional represantation was introduced, the Greens, who got 1 million votes, and if fair is fair, they would have got a sizeable number of MPs. Dunno how many votes the libs got. But if PR was introduced people might not feel that voting Green or Lib Dem was a wasted vote, and they might start doing a lot better. Still such a long way away that it might as well be dismissed completely as a possibilty for the forseeable future.
 
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MDB, where did you get that dosage range for 3fpm from? It doesn't really start to work until you reach that dose. Furthermore, tachycardia is one symptom I've never experienced with good 3fpm, even after vaping through 1g in a day I never feel any strain on my heart. You may have been unlucky enough to get a batch thats been cut with phenidates.
 
What's the problem if it is cut with phenidates? Since plowing through 2gs the other day, I came across a thread where it was strongly implied that the place I got it from (a place where you can buy research chemicals in the UK) had been implicated in cutting with this stuff. I feel and always felt fine, but I've nothing to compare the experience with.
 
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MDB, where did you get that dosage range for 3fpm from? It doesn't really start to work until you reach that dose. Furthermore, tachycardia is one symptom I've never experienced with good 3fpm, even after vaping through 1g in a day I never feel any strain on my heart. You may have been unlucky enough to get a batch thats been cut with phenidates.
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I just typed 3fpm dosage into google and read 5 or 6 of the different forum threads that came up, cant remember which one it was now. I guess as ever its a case of YMMV, those figures were only one guys findings afaik.
 
Spud, there are several problems with 3fpm being adulterated with phenidates or other straight stims. Firstly, when you buy a supposedly pure product, you expect it to be as advertised. Secondly, 3fpm is far from a straight stim - in fact for the first day or two I find it actually quite sedating but with an empathogenic stimulation on top. The addition of other stims destroys the unique qualities of 3fpm and adds other undesirable effects, such as jitteryness and tachycardia. As a vaper, I also find the adulterated stuff to be much harsher on my throat and lungs and it leaves tell tale traces on the foil. I wouldn't mind if there was a synergy of effects, but to my mind this practise is spoiling an otherwise unique chemical.
 
Cheers Fubar - I didn't experience any empathogenic qualities, but that doesn't mean much because I often don't even from MDMA these days. It was very smooth and easy to on the lungs.

The fact that they withdrew a load of cut stuff makes me think they're exercising at least some quality control and I think it's more likely than not that what I got was pure. Anyway, as long as it wasn't cut with anything deadly, I'm not that worried.
 
As i didnt have much luck with my 3fpm ive just snorted some Methylnaphthidate or HDMP-28. Even within this thread linked below there is absolutely no consensus on anything; suitable dose, some say 5mg, some say 45mg, some say you come up almost instantly, others say it can take 3 hours, which seems incredibly unusual for a snorted chem. They do agree that it has a serotonegeric element to it, though not as strong as the dopamine element. It affects other brain transmitters too, as ive run out of my Anti depressant on Thurs and didnt realise till too late on fri, i'll have had quite a long break from them, and dfinately wont have to worry about serotonin syndrome. A lot of people have said its very similar to Cocaine, and no one has disagreed on that. On paper it sounds promising, i wonder what the reality of it will be.

I did just under 20mg, glad i kept the dose relatively low, as the drip is unpleasant, could imagine it being horrific at higher doses. Still gonna have a warm water salt gargle i think, that seldom fails.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/739961-New-stimulant-Methylnaphthidate-or-HDMP-28

Its 2 years old, but new to a lot of us, they've only brought it to the front of the market since the last wave of phenidate bans. Ethylphenidate must have been one of the longest running, popular but quite low profile RCs out there. I'm gonna need to find a suitable replacement but im struggling to find one so far. Its gonna be like when meph was banned. I'll probably end up on Crack or something (joke).

Were Camfetamine and MDAI ever banned, those 2 chemicals seemed to be forever out of stock, they may have slipped through the net? I already have a little stash of MDAI but cant really safely take it, as its a powerful serotonin releaser and im still on these damned anti depressants.(Serotonin syndrome risk or it'll make the chem less effective at the very least.)
 
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mydrugbuddy said:
As i didnt have much luck with my 3fpm ive just snorted some Methylnaphthidate or HDMP-28. Even within this thread linked below there is absolutely no consensus on anything; suitable dose, some say 5mg, some say 45mg, some say you come up almost instantly, others say it can take 3 hours, which seems incredibly unusual for a snorted chem. They do agree that it has a serotonegeric element to it, though not as strong as the dopamine element. It affects other brain transmitters too, as ive run out of my Anti depressant on Thurs and didnt realise till too late on fri, i'll have had quite a long break from them, and dfinately wont have to worry about serotonin syndrome. A lot of people have said its very similar to Cocaine, and no one has disagreed on that. On paper it sounds promising, i wonder what the reality of it will be.

I did just under 20mg, glad i kept the dose relatively low, as the drip is unpleasant, could imagine it being horrific at higher doses. Still gonna have a warm water salt gargle i think, that seldom fails.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/739961-New-stimulant-Methylnaphthidate-or-HDMP-28
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The only positive reviews I can see in that thread ("it's like super cocaine" and "i'm greatly satisfied by this stuff!") are from new members with low postcounts who signed up at the end of 2014: which is the same time that this chem was pushed to the front of the market. The others report that it feels not impressive, not euphoric at all, and even that it feels toxic.
What's it like for you?
 
well that little bit of Methylnaphthidate certainly seems to have worked for me. It's picked my mood right up and got me hammering away at the keyboard flooding the forum with my stimmed up waffle. I think by luck 20mg was just about the right dose, i dont feel too stimmed and jittery, where you can get into that state where you just cant settle on any one activity for any length of time and dont know what to do with yourself. If music or even porn doesnt feel appealing or interesting you know you're on a bad one. I think the good stims are those which make you more sociable and communicative. Like this stuff seems to do. I might check out some porn and music though, just to see what effect it has on those things, of course.:o:sus::D.

My nose is still burning though, so i dont think it's something i want to be taking too regularly if its that caustic. Ive already sprayed it with that nasal spray, though i just keep refilling the container with water rather than the original saline solution you get, the dispenser is very handy, and im sure just water is better than nothing. Spose i could add a bit of salt? :? I dont want to be loosing my nose membrane like Danielle Westbrook ffs. :sus:
 
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Really interested in trying this 3-FPM stuff. I'm fairly new to the rc craze - haven't ordered any since going off the rails a bit with etizolam a while back. Im a bit concerned with tales of adulteration though. I know vendor discussion isn't allowed, but is there anywhere i can find reviews of vendors? I know reddit has a list of uk rc vendors but still not sure where to order. Can someone pm me perhaps? (If that's possible - my post count too low to pm abyone but not sure if that means i cant recieve em too?)

As i would be vaping this, I'd prefer to keep my already rather battered lungs free of any nasties (other than those already in the chemical)
 
MDAI is back on the market again, MDB, it seemed to go out of production for a while, but it wasn't banned. The new batch is a light tan colour, tested as legit MDAI by wedinos & it seems good to me, at least compared to the old dark brown MDAI I got before. It's not a really exciting chemical though, I like it, but it seems quite mild to me. It seems a good mix for a boring straight dopamine/norepinephrine stimulant like mpa or ethylphenidate.
 
I always found it no more than a bit of nausea and diaphoresis when taken on its own. However, as you say, it's like one of those doors to the Boss Room which require more than one key to open (always best to find out beforehand).

I would imagine that this could actually be a reasonably versatile compound considering the effects are so mild when taken alone; different dopaminergic drugs, at different, doses affect the experience further. You could try out many possible combinations, or only one or two before you die.
 
yeah i know mdai wasnt/isnt very exciting, it's just fine for something like a light background buzz when reading, especially in a warm bed on a cold night, (it subtley sp? enhannces subtle pleasures imo) watching good tv and films etc. Its said to increase emotional envolvment and empathy with such activities and i think it does deliver that. It would probably be good to take with a friend and have long chat. I believe it is an empathogen being all serotoney and that.

The bag ive got stashed is 'MDAI Gold'. I dunno if that's the same as tan, presumably it is from the blurb advertsising it as tan cloured, of course they said it was the best MDAI available. I've always used the pure white stuff before this and found that ok, if i remember to miss at least 2 nights SSRIs. I've not even opened the bag of this gold stuff yet. I read somewhere than the only real MDAI is white, and if it isnt white it isnt real MDAI. Frankly im not bothered if that's true or not, all i'm bothered about when i finally get round to trying the Gold is whether it works, and whether it's better or worse than the white MDAI.

Regarding 3fpm; i think ive decided it isnt for me, i cant be doing with something that could put me in hospital or dead with heart problems at doses high enough that i might need to feel any effects, and believe it or not im even becoming too health conscious these days to vape dodgy chemicals, im only ever gonna vape anything if it promises to be extremely good, otherwise its not worth fucking your lungs up for.

Regarding Methylnaphthidate i ended up really enjoying it. It was a fairly low key but really quite pleasant high, with no heart issues atall, probably both related to the size of dose i took. The duration of it was insane though, i took a load of benzos and 10g of one of the strongest strains of regular kratom that you can get. Ie not that Ultra Enhanced kratom you can get. Borneo LTM it's called and man is it good or what, its fucking awesome, even with my tolerance, though it is a new strain for me, so if i dont use it too often its effects can be extended, it's very potent and deeply relaxing. I envy most of you out there without big kratom tolerances, you'd get much more out of this than me with my tolerance. Dunno what it would be like for strong opi users, although one "chipper" of H reported getting excellent effects from kratom for a couple of weeks, and then it suddenly stopped working for him. You obviously cant say its gonna effect everyone exactly the same way though.

Anyway, back on topic, i drifted off to sleep on the couch for about a hour - 90 mins round about midnight. When i woke up i couldnt get back to sleep for the life of me. I was boshing every type of benzo i own, almost by the handful, and seemed to have suddenly become completely immune to the effects of every one of them. They weren't even making me loose my balance which usually happens when you take shit loads. I had no extra tiredness or benzo hangover today either which is stranger still. I decided not to take a Diphenhydramine as those fuckers are guarenteed to knock you out no matter what you've taken, ive yet to find anything that can defeat it, but it takes 2-3 hours to kick in and can make for extremely long sleeps, so if you're gonna take those take them early in the evening not at 4 am or something.. I dint fancy waking up at 4pm or something today as ive had and still got quite a lot of stuff to do. I dont know if this benzo failure had anything to do with the Methylnaphthidate or not, but finally by around 5.30am i started to feel a little tired, went to bed and the moment my head hit the pillow i was out like a light. I set my alarm for 9.30, knew id feel fine today with some stimmy kratom and a couple of moderate etyhlphenidate bombs to ease my way through some chores and stuff.
 
There is brown & tan MDAI too, MDAI is white in it's pure form, but it only needs a small amount of impurity to change the colour. The recent tan MDAI batch was tested by WEDINOS & the older dark brown MDAI I got was tested too. Not sure how genuine your MDAI gold is, but it's not the same as the tan batch that's around now, this new batch has only been available for a few weeks. There is fake white MDAI, a vendor tried selling me a mix of methiopropamine & phenethylamine as MDAI. There has been a lot of fake MDAI, so you need to test whatever you've got.
 
WEDINOS accepts samples sent from anywhere (this was also discussed here).

Just check their list of recently tested samples (postal codes are listed so you get an idea where the sample was sent from). They have been doing this testing service since 2009 apparently, for free, and with results within days. I'm surprised how little mention it gets on here tbh
 
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