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The Big & Dandy N-Ethyl-Norketamine Thread

Just got some today and did a 5mg allergy test about an hour ago. Snorted another 25mg about half an hour ago and I really don't understand what people are complaining about with nose pain. I didn't dilute it in water, or snort water beforehand and while it does sting a bit for 5 seconds, it's no worse than Ketamine. I was doing s-isomer k last night so I'm sure my tolerance is up right now but I actually noticed the 25mg; very slightly but I feel more wonky than I should for sure and I wouldn't really expect to feel much if anything from a 25mg dose of Ketamine.

Won't do any more for a few days and let my tolerance subside a bit and then will try a 75mg dose; usually how much I take with pure s-isomer k, and work my way up to a 150-200mg dose to attempt holing. Only ordered 2 grams so I will probably use an entire gram figuring out nasal doses, and then might use the other gram for oral and rectal experiments.
 
^ was going to ask about sub lingual.
30mins ?? damn it!
i keep checking this bloody thread hoping for some good news....but it never happens....honestly thought i'd spunk my life's savings on this stuff, now i'm not so sure i'll even try it
 
well its hard for me to just come out and say as to why but they have a list of chems as long as your arm and are know it sell caffeine and cathinone's as other things that's what i was hinting at as well its the only place that i can think is well know enough for this to becoming from so hopefully with out braking the rules i'm sort helping in harm reduction on your health and wallets :)

as this is getting into a really gray area please remove if iv got to close with it
 
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@ foolsgold
i get ya
[ i hope ]people silly enough to make thaty mistake wont be here...but yeah
 
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Simon Quinlank said:
any pointers towards effective grinding methods? (no rude jokes please). I've chopped up this particular substance as fine as I can with a blade but it still felt like I had a single chunk of kryptonite burning its way through my septum... .so either I did something wrong, or there's something Ive yet to learn? :-)

should I be using a pestle and mortar?
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One way: Make a pile, put a sheet of paper on top and crush it by, for example, rolling an R20/D battery over it. Remove the paper, make sure you've not left chemical on the paper. Take a card, e.g. credit card - and, pressing down hard, swipe the powder across your surface. Then scrape it up with a blade and chop it.

You can also use a pestle and mortar, it crushes it very effectively, but you can sometimes lose drugs in the rough surface of the mortar. Some mortars have a rougher finish than others. If you have lots of drugs then it's not so big an issue, and you can recover most of the powder with a spatula.

Or make a solution and use that.
 
justinsayno said:
^ was going to ask about sub lingual.
30mins ?? damn it!
i keep checking this bloody thread hoping for some good news....but it never happens....honestly thought i'd spunk my life's savings on this stuff, now i'm not so sure i'll even try it
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its worse than that... I got fuck all from sub lingual... :-s though that was from an eyeballed dose due to faulty scales... however later weighing of what was left suggested I had sub-linged (is that a word?) two doses of 100mg.... and still nothing.

I'd save your spunk for your wife/partner/hand.
 
knockando said:
One way: Make a pile, put a sheet of paper on top and crush it by, for example, rolling an R20/D battery over it. Remove the paper, make sure you've not left chemical on the paper. Take a card, e.g. credit card - and, pressing down hard, swipe the powder across your surface. Then scrape it up with a blade and chop it.

You can also use a pestle and mortar, it crushes it very effectively, but you can sometimes lose drugs in the rough surface of the mortar. Some mortars have a rougher finish than others. If you have lots of drugs then it's not so big an issue, and you can recover most of the powder with a spatula.

Or make a solution and use that.
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thanks... I enjoyed the battery idea. Especially as I read that initially as using R2D2 :-)

not entirely sure about the credit card bit... are you using that as a scraper across the surface of the paper, or as another crushing implement?

my only suggestion as to improve the above advice might be to use something less porous than paper... acetate perhaps?
 
Simon Quinlank said:
its worse than that... I got fuck all from sub lingual... :-s though that was from an eyeballed dose due to faulty scales... however later weighing of what was left suggested I had sub-linged (is that a word?) two doses of 100mg.... and still nothing.

I'd save your spunk for your wife/partner/hand.
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You wouldn't get fuck all from doing 100mg sublingual Ketamine either so that's not really saying a whole lot.
 
Mung Hunter said:
You wouldn't get fuck all from doing 100mg sublingual Ketamine either so that's not really saying a whole lot.
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not to be smart but thats a double negative so Im not sure what your point is?

anyway, I never said I was doing 100mg ket sublingual (only ever insufflated personally)... I was referencing my preferred ROA for MXE (dont you just hate all these acronyms?)

sorry if I upset you.
 
well at least we can rule it out now...someone had to risk thier gear / cash to find out for sure.
glad it wasnt me =-]
 
well its not just the site iv guessed at iv just found out this now seems to be more universal problem with the substance unless one is supplying the other . and when i found out as to who the other one is it really looks like its the chemical that could be of poor quality not just the vendor
 
Simon Quinlank said:
not to be smart but thats a double negative so Im not sure what your point is?

anyway, I never said I was doing 100mg ket sublingual (only ever insufflated personally)... I was referencing my preferred ROA for MXE (dont you just hate all these acronyms?)

sorry if I upset you.
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I'm not seeing how that's a double negative? Haha no worries I'm not upset :P What I mean is that the pharmacology of NEK is very similar to that of Ketamine from my understanding anyway; so you saying that you didn't get fuck all from doing 100mg of NEK sublingually doesn't mean very much to me as it should almost be expected.

I agree sublingual is my favourite ROA for MXE but chemically NEK is quite a bit further away from MXE than Ketamine so I wouldn't expect the same actions from NEK as MXE. Of course it's not a bad thing to try it out, but doesn't quite make sense to write off a chemical simply because one ROA isn't effective; ESPECIALLY if one of the closest known compounds also isn't very effective through that ROA. (lol yeah the acronyms get pretty ridiculous at times, but I'm far to lazy to write the full chemical name each time)

IM and nasal are the most effective ROA's for Ketamine, correct? So I would expect the same to be the case with NEK. Personally I didn't find the burn of 25mg nasally to be any worse than Ketamine so as long as the burn doesn't increase exponentially when I snort 100mg, I still see NEK as a viable Ketamine replacement, as long as the effects are similar. I will update on how my experimentation went once I've given my tolerance some time to subside; probably Friday this week.
 
what has the world come to when drug users don't know how to chop up a line :D
 
I should have 250mg arriving either tomorrow or the day after. I have been reading the thread however I am still a little confused on how I should take it, and have a few questions.

What would be most effective, snorting or oral?

Another think that I would like to know is, when people are talking about snorting water I don't really understand how this should be done. Should I put a straw into a glass of water then breathe it in through my nose? Or put water on the end of my finger then breathe it in that way?

Really thanks aloy!

Yours In Good Will
 
wayab said:
what has the world come to when drug users don't know how to chop up a line :D
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I dunno, the yoof of today! They'll be asking us how to make little origami wraps to keep a weighed out dose in next. 8) ;)

ungelesene_bettlek said:
I use it first rubbing it over the flat surface with the substance to be crushed in between, of course also applying some pressure from above at the same time.
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Exactly this. Credit card, smooth flat surface, press, or even press and drag smearing the stuff out for some extra friction and grinding action to avoid clumping, credit card vertical, chop. Job done. =D
 
Mokeweaver said:
I should have 250mg arriving either tomorrow or the day after. I have been reading the thread however I am still a little confused on how I should take it, and have a few questions.

What would be most effective, snorting or oral?
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Can't tell you I'm afraid, if it's anything like ketamine, though, then oral is a waste of time drug.

Another think that I would like to know is, when people are talking about snorting water I don't really understand how this should be done. Should I put a straw into a glass of water then breathe it in through my nose? Or put water on the end of my finger then breathe it in that way?
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You can do either of those, or if you have a syringe, suck some water up and spray it up there. Without a needle attached of course! You could also use a squeezy bottle of some kind, or just anything to get water inside your nasal cavity and make it moist.

It's actually more comfortable to spray / squirt water up your nostril than to snort it up, as you don't really want to get water in your throat or lungs.

Really thanks aloy!

Yours In Good Will
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no problem.
 
knockando said:
Can't tell you I'm afraid, if it's anything like ketamine, though, then oral is a waste of time drug.



You can do either of those, or if you have a syringe, suck some water up and spray it up there. Without a needle attached of course! You could also use a squeezy bottle of some kind, or just anything to get water inside your nasal cavity and make it moist.

It's actually more comfortable to spray / squirt water up your nostril than to snort it up, as you don't really want to get water in your throat or lungs.



no problem.
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I have an eyedropper so I can use that. And also I will cut the powder down as much as I can with a knife.

Can anyone comment on what would be the more efficient RoA: Insufflated or oral?

I am only getting 250mg so I would like that to last as much as it can... hopefully a good few sessions. The other thing is that I have 4g MXE arriving about the same so how about combining them? Can anyone recommend a good dose combination? I usually sniff 100mg MXE, however I don't think the purity is as great as the stuff I could get pre-ban. I'm unsure if I have tolerance or not, I go always go through around 3-4g in maybe 2 weeks or so, but then wait a week before ordering more.
 
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