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If you read the thread the verdict is insufflated is best - this cmpd is basically the same as, or worse than ketamine potency wise
The Big & Dandy N-Ethyl-Norketamine Thread
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If you read the thread the verdict is insufflated is best - this cmpd is basically the same as, or worse than ketamine potency wise
Simon Quinlank
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I'm not seeing how that's a double negative? Haha no worries I'm not upsetWhat I mean is that the pharmacology of NEK is very similar to that of Ketamine from my understanding anyway; so you saying that you didn't get fuck all from doing 100mg of NEK sublingually doesn't mean very much to me as it should almost be expected.
I agree sublingual is my favourite ROA for MXE but chemically NEK is quite a bit further away from MXE than Ketamine so I wouldn't expect the same actions from NEK as MXE. Of course it's not a bad thing to try it out, but doesn't quite make sense to write off a chemical simply because one ROA isn't effective; ESPECIALLY if one of the closest known compounds also isn't very effective through that ROA. (lol yeah the acronyms get pretty ridiculous at times, but I'm far to lazy to write the full chemical name each time)
IM and nasal are the most effective ROA's for Ketamine, correct? So I would expect the same to be the case with NEK. Personally I didn't find the burn of 25mg nasally to be any worse than Ketamine so as long as the burn doesn't increase exponentially when I snort 100mg, I still see NEK as a viable Ketamine replacement, as long as the effects are similar. I will update on how my experimentation went once I've given my tolerance some time to subside; probably Friday this week.
am feeling a bit more clear headed today
so I can see where the confusion arose. I think i just assumed you were able to read my mind and I was talking about MXE In my ignorance I just assumed all arylcyclohexylamines would have similar mechanisms of ROA. You might be right about insufflation possibly being a more efficacious route... I just couldnt get enough up there... not much more than 50mg was all I could tolerate which I know from discussions is never going to be enough. Ive never known something as irritating. I was sneezing/nose running/extreme irritation for at least an hour probably longer. I wasnt doing any more that way... I had a quick look in the entry for ketamine on wikipedia, and the efficiacy of different ROAs is as follows...
"93% intramuscularly, 25-50% intranasally, 30% sublingually, and 30% rectally"
so you are right that aside from IM, nasally looks the next best option. However as sublingual isnt far behind, at least where ketamine is concerned I at least expected to get something. Oh well....
Simon Quinlank
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Disgraceful. It should be taught in schools. Im off to write to my MP.
Help?!?!
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I think when I get a chance to do this I'm going to bite the bullet and IM this one. I've had K two times in my life overall and only once was I able to hole nasally and that was my first diss. experience besides DXM, for instance. The other time I split two sessions up with around 1.5g's and while totally a blast, was somehow unable to hole even though I blasted a 500mg line up right away/etc and the second time I went right for 500-600 leaving a bit left for later and still no hole. Then, I had saved around 200mgs to IM which I did and obviously was holed out this world. So when I get a chance to get "EK" which is coming from the most "reputable"vendor I could find for something like this I think i'm going to IM it straight away as to not waste it because i'll probably only have maybe a two gram supply at max. Plus ket ruined my nose and I crushed the fuck out of the crystals and do not by any means have a sensitive nose either so...
Anyways with all that out of the way and having read Adder/everyone elses assesments here of supposed "EK", I figure to be safe i'll start with 25-50mgs as well maybe lower for the first test shot, then work up. I may end up trying it nasally as well but I already know I prefer my diss' IM and like stated haven't been able to source a ton of ket, from this supposed's vendors NMR/etc that of course they'll provide its supposed to be 98.5% purity of his batch so heres to hoping that its actually valid EK and is 98% but does everyone find this route advisable? I don't think i've seen anyone yet IM this "EK" yet and everyones complaining already about their noses, lol...... I remember last time from just those two sessions of nasal ket my nose was ravaged and I like saving my nose as best I can.
Anyways with all that out of the way and having read Adder/everyone elses assesments here of supposed "EK", I figure to be safe i'll start with 25-50mgs as well maybe lower for the first test shot, then work up. I may end up trying it nasally as well but I already know I prefer my diss' IM and like stated haven't been able to source a ton of ket, from this supposed's vendors NMR/etc that of course they'll provide its supposed to be 98.5% purity of his batch so heres to hoping that its actually valid EK and is 98% but does everyone find this route advisable? I don't think i've seen anyone yet IM this "EK" yet and everyones complaining already about their noses, lol...... I remember last time from just those two sessions of nasal ket my nose was ravaged and I like saving my nose as best I can.
specialspack
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Experiences follow others - substance was procured from a previously highly reliable vendor. It was tried twice, firstly at 50mg + 150mg 30 mins later, then subsequently 24 hours later 250mg + 150mg 30 mins later, both intranasal.
The effects were broadly similar to ketamine, approximately the same duration, but much less disabling. I was able to type, albeit slowly, quite soon after the "peak", and locomotion was much less impaired. At no time was I approaching anything like "hole" dose, and I am normally able to achieve a hole with ketamine at around 150mg intranasal. The experiences was much less confusing and much more clear headed, even with eyes closed on the biggest doses, I was only slightly physically dissociated from my limbs and immediate surroundings. There were no closed eye "visuals" to speak of really. Duration was similar if a bit shorter than ketamine.
I finely crushed the powder before use, and although it was somewhat unpleasant to snort, it was no worse than ketamine. Certainly no nose bleeds, pain for days etc.
Dosing was a problem though - the powder was so fine and flyaway, and apparently not very dense - 50mg looked like much bigger amount than 50 mg of ketamine, so there was a LOT of powder to snort. On the second trial, towards the end of the 250mg I was trying to snort all at once, I was definitely overshooting - i.e. inhaling the powder straight up int the back of my throat. I felt that there may have been a slight increase in intensity approx 30 mins afterwards, which might have been due to oral absorption, but hard to tell. There was a slight reduction in potency between session 1 and session 2, so some minor tolerance.
About the only positive was that the experience felt more positive than ketamine, which can be pretty neutral and/or dark for me sometimes. My mood was elevated with mild euphoria throughout, and post peak I was very intellectually productive, stimulated and able to order my thoughts coherently - unlike ketamine, where any intellectual insights tend to be impaired and fractured.
Until it it's resolved whether Adder's experience was atypical, or in fact the substance is of low purity, I have no real desire to try this again.
The effects were broadly similar to ketamine, approximately the same duration, but much less disabling. I was able to type, albeit slowly, quite soon after the "peak", and locomotion was much less impaired. At no time was I approaching anything like "hole" dose, and I am normally able to achieve a hole with ketamine at around 150mg intranasal. The experiences was much less confusing and much more clear headed, even with eyes closed on the biggest doses, I was only slightly physically dissociated from my limbs and immediate surroundings. There were no closed eye "visuals" to speak of really. Duration was similar if a bit shorter than ketamine.
I finely crushed the powder before use, and although it was somewhat unpleasant to snort, it was no worse than ketamine. Certainly no nose bleeds, pain for days etc.
Dosing was a problem though - the powder was so fine and flyaway, and apparently not very dense - 50mg looked like much bigger amount than 50 mg of ketamine, so there was a LOT of powder to snort. On the second trial, towards the end of the 250mg I was trying to snort all at once, I was definitely overshooting - i.e. inhaling the powder straight up int the back of my throat. I felt that there may have been a slight increase in intensity approx 30 mins afterwards, which might have been due to oral absorption, but hard to tell. There was a slight reduction in potency between session 1 and session 2, so some minor tolerance.
About the only positive was that the experience felt more positive than ketamine, which can be pretty neutral and/or dark for me sometimes. My mood was elevated with mild euphoria throughout, and post peak I was very intellectually productive, stimulated and able to order my thoughts coherently - unlike ketamine, where any intellectual insights tend to be impaired and fractured.
Until it it's resolved whether Adder's experience was atypical, or in fact the substance is of low purity, I have no real desire to try this again.
ungelesene_bettlek
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for the sake of safety, I would at least start of with nasal use, in order to see how you react to this compound, bevore I.M.ing it.
i am starting with a allergy test. but i do not see the point in starting with a messy and painful ROA for my first experience when i could be using a more efficient method. in general i believe the dangers of IMing stem from mistaken dosing and the procedure being carried out improperly.
which is obviously why i am asking about what dose to start with.
i have wide experience with IMing ketamine at all dose levelsso i do not believe (judging from reports) that i will be overwhelmed by a low-moderate dose of N-EK.
what other danger were you referring to? if i've missed a different good safety point then i will follow your advice and start with a nasal dose
which is obviously why i am asking about what dose to start with.
i have wide experience with IMing ketamine at all dose levelsso i do not believe (judging from reports) that i will be overwhelmed by a low-moderate dose of N-EK.
what other danger were you referring to? if i've missed a different good safety point then i will follow your advice and start with a nasal dose
ungelesene_bettlek
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I didn't think of any concrete dangers; but nasal consume has the benefit that one can easily increase the dosage in several steps, which is IMHO a good thing when experimenting with new drugs.
but I do understand your point, and I am looking forward to hear your report. regarding the dosage: despite initial hopes, I would say that it is roughly equipotent to regular racemic ketamine, so you can use your ketamine experiences as dosage guide.
I look forward to being able to post them i have heard some dissappointing reports, some of the dosing going round seems fairly high if it is around equipotent to ketamine. perhaps this is due to most of the people who have tried it being frequent ketamine users and therefore having a tolerance? is there any info or speculation on the extent of crosstolerance?
i have heard some dissappointing reports, some of the dosing going round seems fairly high if it is around equipotent to ketamine. perhaps this is due to most of the people who have tried it being frequent ketamine users and therefore having a tolerance? is there any info or speculation on the extent of crosstolerance?
ungelesene_bettlek
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since ketamine and ethylketamine act very similar, I would be very surprised if there were no cross tolerance.I look forward to being able to post them
Help?!?!
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Well like stated even with IM I can titrate the dose as far as 1mg if I want to for an AT/all that. No one is sure "EK" really even exists afterall all I have my hopes as does everyone else, it probably does since people are reporting diss activity different but similar to actual ket which means its something though who knows how impure it could end up being. Mine will come will results/etc that say its 98.5 pure which given the vendors rep seems pretty okay because he had 2-MeO-Ket as well and admitted it was part of the impure synth and all that, he even had it stated but I can't remember those figures currently. I only want to try it IM right off the bat for the stated reasons in my post others can follow if they know the risks but I have clean whatman micron filters/fresh 1 inch BD 25's ready to go off the bat so!
PhyllipThylamine
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N-eK - no tolerance to Ket or mxe, low dose test-run -
Okay, bit brief but just to add my initial experiments to this thread.
1mg of N-EK as tongued as an allergy test. This miniscule amount was not ground, just a couple of teeny crystals but I could feel it under my tongue, gently rotting away the inside of my mouth lol
A few hours later, despite all the reports I ground 10mg into the finest possible powder & administered it carefully up on nostril. Small amount, nasty pain. Reminds me of my past mistakes with 2c-c & 4-fa. No lasting damage was noted however (unlike with 4-fa) other than a blocked nose. No effect was established, nor expected at this level.
Again, a few hours later 25mg was dissolved in a cuppa & swallowed. Once again, no obvious effect.
Back to the drawing board then . . .
A couple days later I weighed 50mg & ground it heavilly on my mirror. This fine dust was then pored into a small bottle with four drops of water. The solution was the droppered onto a mirror & I managed to snort the concotion into my nostrils. This was STILL a wee bit unpleasant. It stung (but not like the undiluted 10mg) & felt a bit uncomfortable at the back of my throat as it dripped, kinda scratchy, like the beginnings of a sore throat.
Effects appeared within 5 minutes however. They were pretty gentle. Subtle light hadspace, possible visual disturbance, vaguely raised mood, posibly. Sneezing & coughing (scratchy feeling in upper chest, & sneezing suggest possible ellergic reaction as I suffer from asthma & general allergies) punctuated the experience. Headspace eased within 30 minutes & was non-existant by the time an hour had passed. A slight headache appeared but didn't last more than half hour, probable unconnected to experiment.
I like Ket but havent had any in a few years. I don't hole & enjoyed my K mostly along with Meph. I like MXE too, but again, havent used any in months & never take heroic doses anyway. I have pretty close to zero tolerance to dissacociatves of any kind & in fact, very few chems have been used in recent months.
I've always had high sensitvity to pretty much all compounds from MDMA to shrooms, valium & eti to coke & booze. So, apart from a daily weed intake, I've got a nice clean screen to look at this stuff. I'm also not chasing any highs such as those produced by Ket & Mxe & I'm taking N-eK at face value.
I'll be moving up to, I dunno, maybe 75mg, possibly 100mg next time but it'll be a week or so as I want my screen all cleaned up before I try again. Combining this wth low dose mxe (my favourite dosing for mxe) will also be considered.
Okay, bit brief but just to add my initial experiments to this thread.
1mg of N-EK as tongued as an allergy test. This miniscule amount was not ground, just a couple of teeny crystals but I could feel it under my tongue, gently rotting away the inside of my mouth lol
A few hours later, despite all the reports I ground 10mg into the finest possible powder & administered it carefully up on nostril. Small amount, nasty pain. Reminds me of my past mistakes with 2c-c & 4-fa. No lasting damage was noted however (unlike with 4-fa) other than a blocked nose. No effect was established, nor expected at this level.
Again, a few hours later 25mg was dissolved in a cuppa & swallowed. Once again, no obvious effect.
Back to the drawing board then . . .
A couple days later I weighed 50mg & ground it heavilly on my mirror. This fine dust was then pored into a small bottle with four drops of water. The solution was the droppered onto a mirror & I managed to snort the concotion into my nostrils. This was STILL a wee bit unpleasant. It stung (but not like the undiluted 10mg) & felt a bit uncomfortable at the back of my throat as it dripped, kinda scratchy, like the beginnings of a sore throat.
Effects appeared within 5 minutes however. They were pretty gentle. Subtle light hadspace, possible visual disturbance, vaguely raised mood, posibly. Sneezing & coughing (scratchy feeling in upper chest, & sneezing suggest possible ellergic reaction as I suffer from asthma & general allergies) punctuated the experience. Headspace eased within 30 minutes & was non-existant by the time an hour had passed. A slight headache appeared but didn't last more than half hour, probable unconnected to experiment.
I like Ket but havent had any in a few years. I don't hole & enjoyed my K mostly along with Meph. I like MXE too, but again, havent used any in months & never take heroic doses anyway. I have pretty close to zero tolerance to dissacociatves of any kind & in fact, very few chems have been used in recent months.
I've always had high sensitvity to pretty much all compounds from MDMA to shrooms, valium & eti to coke & booze. So, apart from a daily weed intake, I've got a nice clean screen to look at this stuff. I'm also not chasing any highs such as those produced by Ket & Mxe & I'm taking N-eK at face value.
I'll be moving up to, I dunno, maybe 75mg, possibly 100mg next time but it'll be a week or so as I want my screen all cleaned up before I try again. Combining this wth low dose mxe (my favourite dosing for mxe) will also be considered.
IMed this substance is peculiar.
I was unco-ordinated in a manner extremely similar to ketamine and even got a fair blow of ketamine visuals. Some anaesthesia was present.
In my head however, it was a different story.
It just wasn't convincing, there was no mental change so far as i could tell. there was no involvement, no psychedelic pull. I was just sat there, feeling these feelings.
It was the difference between going on a rollercoaster and going on a rollercoaster simulator
I was unco-ordinated in a manner extremely similar to ketamine and even got a fair blow of ketamine visuals. Some anaesthesia was present.
In my head however, it was a different story.
It just wasn't convincing, there was no mental change so far as i could tell. there was no involvement, no psychedelic pull. I was just sat there, feeling these feelings.
It was the difference between going on a rollercoaster and going on a rollercoaster simulator
specialspack
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Update - 36 hours after my second usage, I had three spontaneous nosebleeds over about a 7 or 8 hour period. I never get nosebleeds, and these were proper dribbling-blood-all-over-the-desk affairs that came out of nowhere. Bizarre, as I had very finely crushed the powder and it felt no worse than ketamine, and I had no bleeding at the time.
Won't be touching this compound again.
Won't be touching this compound again.
knock
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That is bizarre, possibly coincidental?
scotty5591
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I doubt it, although i never had full on dripping nosebleeds i did have a tendency to blow my nose quite regularly and there was quite a bit of blood, not sure what the stuff is doing inside your nose to make it happen but it certainly must be something damaging to have this sort of reaction.
Anyways, a disappointing RC and probably quite harmful one aswell,
Maybe the huge hype just made it even more disappointing?
I can definatley see this stuff dying a quick death.
psychodead
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let me say ive never had a nosebleed in my life before i snorted this stuff but i had one every day for 5 or 6 days afterwards.
Mu-ham-mad
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this sounds a little bit too much like ketamine to be no good at all - i hope to try it some day when i can kick this k habit.
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