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The Big & Dandy N-Ethyl-Norketamine Thread

My apologies, I didn't realise howmuch more N-E-K cost you over there. Ketamine here is rather expensive, and most of the stuff you get is cut to shit (Thats the word from a few mates of mine who take it).

I agree, I'm sure N-EK would produce a false positive for Ketamine, which is unfortunate. This is why I always leave the stickers on the bags that state the chemical compounds, as its easier for individuals to identify the compound. Whats your opinion on possible bladder problems with this compound? Its really putting me off sampling N-EK, as I have heard many horror stories of K users basically destroying their bladders.
 
SilentRoller said:
Whats your opinion on possible bladder problems with this compound? Its really putting me off sampling N-EK, as I have heard many horror stories of K users basically destroying their bladders.
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I'm guessing that it'd act similar on the bladder (and other organs) when very heavily abused. But that's just uneducated guessing. Some other users on bluelight know more about the mechanisms of K's organ-damage.
 
I myself have a 250mg of N-E-K arriving in the next day or so, and truth be told, I am anxious about trying due to: a) having never tried K before, and b)I am aware of bladder issues caused by K use. However, we should be rational about this. One or two lines of a very close K homologue is not going to cause your bladder to shrink to a peanut, and lead to a life of pissing yourself. On the other hand, I would strongly discourage anyone to go about ordering grammes of this stuff, as regular use of a untested compound is just plain stupid. We are pushing our luck far enough as it is (taking an untested chemical), lets not stack the odds against us any further.

As a closing thought though, I am quite concerned about the bladder issues surrounding Ketamine, considering N-E-K is "meant" to be a thrid more potent than Ketamine. I for one value my perfectly working bladder, and don't wish to be using a catheter for the rest of my life. Be careful everyone.
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The bladder issues don't happen from having one heavy weekend on the ketamine, they come from years of near daily abuse. Most of these people doing in excess of 2-3gs a day. In certain parts of the UK (South West mainly), it's not uncommon for people to have 5g+ a day habbits.

I don't see NEK being that much worse on the bladder than ketamine if any. And although it is a new chem most of the dissociative analogues seem safer than the stimulant ones.

I didn't see any dirty side to NEK whatsoever. I'll probably buy a gram soon and try again.
 
How is N-EK on the cardiovascular side of things? I'm leaning towards a small 20mg line to start off with, as I have no tolerance at all with this field of substances. I tried MXE once, and what followed was a fair few hours of confusion and heavy limbs. I was interesting to say the least.
 
This is starting to sound like a shit k replacement. Think MXE was better. Had 30mg insufflated and next to no effects. Yet another overpriced rc which wont take off like MXE did. Luckily i have some 3-MeO-PCE to try.
 
jungo87 said:
This is starting to sound like a shit k replacement. Think MXE was better. Had 30mg insufflated and next to no effects. Yet another overpriced rc which wont take off like MXE did. Luckily i have some 3-MeO-PCE to try.
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so you had one small dose which resulted in little effects (just like one would suspect), and based on that you came to the conclusion that it is shit? sorry, I can't follow that logic... :\
 
ungelesene_bettlek said:
so you had one small dose which resulted in little effects (just like one would suspect), and based on that you came to the conclusion that it is shit? sorry, I can't follow that logic... :\
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Ye I have to agree with you here. A lot of the reports I've read of other forums sound really positive! I'm guessing it's just not as potent as people thought it was going to be, so slightly larger doses are required than people originally thought. Regardless, its good to start small!
 
SilentRoller said:
My apologies, I didn't realise howmuch more N-E-K cost you over there. Ketamine here is rather expensive, and most of the stuff you get is cut to shit (Thats the word from a few mates of mine who take it).

I agree, I'm sure N-EK would produce a false positive for Ketamine, which is unfortunate. This is why I always leave the stickers on the bags that state the chemical compounds, as its easier for individuals to identify the compound. Whats your opinion on possible bladder problems with this compound? Its really putting me off sampling N-EK, as I have heard many horror stories of K users basically destroying their bladders.
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Same thing could be said about alcohol, getting wasted occasionally isn't going to harm you, do it everyday for years and you'll damage your liver

Eating an excessive amount sugary and fatty foods now and again won't harm you but eat them everyday for years and it'll cause a few problems
 
Same thing could be said about alcohol, getting wasted occasionally isn't going to harm you, do it everyday for years and you'll damage your liver
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Whilst I concur, it doesn't really stack up in terms of volume consumed. Drinking excessive alcohol will not harm your liver to a (major health concern extent requiring surgery), compared going on a ketamine bender. You only have to do a google search, and there are many threads on BL and Drugs Forum about many individuals who have have consumed ketamine in a moderate amount, and are suffering K pains after only a couple of months.

Despite this, I am looking forward to giving it a whirl, but in small amounts obviously.
 
I think you might be overestimating the bladder damage silent roller, the fact is yes it can cause bladder damage but a few grams a month isn't going to cause any problems, moderation is your friend :)
 
If you're at the point of cramps and bladder issues with ketamine then you're so far in that you probably should worry most about the psychological problems. Obviously no one's completely sure how this N-ethyl form will affect the bladder and other the organs down there, there's only SAR speculation.
 
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I'm sure that I am giving far too much credit to the Ketamine bladder problems, although we must awknowledge that this is a legitimate harm. In terms of the N-ethyl group, considering MXE also posessed a N-ethyl group to reduce harmful metabolites in the bladder, so this perhaps bodes well.
 
SilentRoller said:
I'm sure that I am giving far too much credit to the Ketamine bladder problems, although we must awknowledge that this is a legitimate harm. In terms of the N-ethyl group, considering MXE also posessed a N-ethyl group to reduce harmful metabolites in the bladder, so this perhaps bodes well.
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Yes we can assume it'll just be as harmful as ketamine in the long run but we won't know until a few years down the line when heavy daily users start coming forward.

You are asking a question that know one knows the answer to.
 
Yeah, I'm aware that its an impossible question. However, from a pharmacology standpoint, I can give a pretty good guess, that due to the Ethyl group, this should limit the amount of harmful ketamine metabolites in the bladder. I for one drink alot of water daily, so as long as you flush your system through when your using N-EK, I can't see it being too bad. YMMV of course.
 
SilentRoller said:
Yeah, I'm aware that its an impossible question. However, from a pharmacology standpoint, I can give a pretty good guess, that due to the Ethyl group, this should limit the amount of harmful ketamine metabolites in the bladder. I for one drink alot of water daily, so as long as you flush your system through when your using N-EK, I can't see it being too bad. YMMV of course.
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You sound as though your quite concerned about health effects of taking a completely new RC, if that's the case then I suggest against trying nek, otherwise you just have to accept the risks, trying new interesting chemicals is just part of the fun IMO
 
I'm only concerned in this instance, as N-EK is so close to Ketamine, that it will carry most of its negative effects (which are few, but still significant). I too find this prospect of good, legal ketamine exciting; I'm just weighing up the risk/reward ratio before I decide how much I want to 'love it'. For example, I have a strong feeling I'm going to enjoy N-EK, so I have be aware of its negative effects; and the closest drug I can base them on is ketamine. As the long term effects of ketamine are bladder damage and addiction in some, I think it is wise to consider how often you would ingest said substance, if it really sarted to appeal to you.

I for one love my psyches and empathogens, so I would probably just keep some N-EK around to take the edge a MDMA comedown or something similar (rather than using it as my DOC)
 
Come on people, quit it with the price talk, you should all know that that isn't allowed.

And as for urinary tract problems, don't abuse RCs! It's very unwise to treat chemicals with unknown health risks like more well known/studied drugs, it's bad enough to jump into daily usage when we know what will happen.
 
rockstar 69 said:
Lol to the guy 2 posts ago. What they are all talking about IS N-ethyl-ketamine, norketamine is pretty much a misunderstood term and ethyl-ketamine and n-ethyl-ketamine are the same thing are they not?

I would imagine this stuff is not good on the stomach/bladder at all really. It seemed harsher on the nose, and with the doses required being higher/or at least as high. I can't see it being any less damaging really.

It is definately overpriced, ketamine is a little itself at the moment compared to what it used to be, but it's still worth it.
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NO. WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT N-ETHYL-KETAMINE.

Man, people are so slow. Keep up.

N-ethyl-Ketamine would mean that the N would be disubstituted. There would be TWO alkyl residues, an N-ethyl and an N-methyl. Nor-ketamine is ketamine minus the N-methyl substitution. N-ethyl-norketamine is ketamine with the N-methyl removed and an N-ethyl added.

This isn't a grey area at all. This compound is not N-ethyl-ketamine. That would be a tertiary amine. This compound is absolutely, decidedly, N-ethyl-norketamine.


There is absolutely no question that this is the case. Any arguing of this point will make anyone doing so look retarded. Sekio's point about it being accepted as N-ethylketamine is fine, but it's wrong. N-ethylketamine may make a fine enough substance (it won't be very potent) but N-ethyl-norketamine- the substance we're actually discussing- is more potent than ketamine proper. So why make the issue more confused than it is, why not stick to a long understood and useful nomenclature? Why diverge because it's easier for retarded people to write?

ethnorketamine is not a bad name. I'd brand it nethnorket. It's got a nice ring to it. Can I get a gram of nethnorket? lol
 
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