When Will Live Audiences Be Ready For Computer Mixing

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^^ David is an Idiot for aguing his point, without proof, or tracks.

Physix is an idiot, for thinking, that he know's what David is doing, or how everyone else does it.

You can break those timing differences into many different resolutions, and scales, A 32/4 with offset timing can be a 6/4, or a 9/4. It all depends on how it's all put together. Jazz is a prime example of this, similarily with some Funk. Off-set timing, can alter it all, along with what David said about polyrhytms.

dr. suess, those sites are shit. There is much better out there, than those guys.

I'd like to add, that PC preformances, will be just like turntable ones. There will be good ones, and bad ones.
 
purely using a laptop makes it too easy to just pre programm sets, and never actually learn to mix. add a laptop to your decks and CDJS, and you have my respect. dj solely on a laptop (and not playing all original material), and you don't
 
Agree with mystic..a dj can use a laptop for studio mixing I'm fine with that..I mean i would want a super precise mix if i bought one.

Summary of my oppinion:
1. If you are an accomplished vinyl or cd mixer, then I don't have a problem with you mixing on computer in all but one situation.
2. This situation is playing at live party*. I would like to see a performance from the DJ thats why I'd go see him. Sure a DJ can have his vinyl or cds all set aside but atleast we see him selecting and we know he didn't just press "PLAY"..


*If you're using Final Scratch with conjuction of TT and mixer thats coo..I don't have a problem with the fact a song is digital..I'm not a vinyl fanboy (since i use cdj)
 
Static Assault said:
^^ David is an Idiot for aguing his point, without proof, or tracks.

Physix is an idiot, for thinking, that he know's what David is doing, or how everyone else does it.

You can break those timing differences into many different resolutions, and scales, A 32/4 with offset timing can be a 6/4, or a 9/4. It all depends on how it's all put together. Jazz is a prime example of this, similarily with some Funk. Off-set timing, can alter it all, along with what David said about polyrhytms.

dr. suess, those sites are shit. There is much better out there, than those guys.

I'd like to add, that PC preformances, will be just like turntable ones. There will be good ones, and bad ones.
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yet again, ANOTHER person who doesn't know the fuckin'
difference between RESOLUTION on their sequencer (or
SNAP TO GRID) and fuckin' TIME SIGNATURES.

my resolution is set for 64/4

i am NOT fuckin' composing music that is 64/4 time signatures.


i KNOW what the fuck David's doing because he fuckin'
EXPLAINED EXACTLY what he was doing... EVERY
FUCKIN' JUNGLIST (almost) does that trick...

high resolution on a drum machine or a sequencer

that is TOTALLY different than fuckin' 32/4 time signature
which FUCKIN' MEANS

32 beats in a fuckin' measure
the fuckin' quarter note gets the fuckin' beat.

asswipes.

i KNOW what the fuck David is doing because he
CONFIRMED IT and i can fuckin' read.

now, if he's doing experimental (whatever) DnB
and odd time sigs like 9/4 or whatever that's one
thing... but what he was talking about with the
"house has 4/4 and that's why is sucks" and then
using a term like "polyrhythms" (hello??!!? anything
with 2 or more tracks designated for rhythms can be
considered "polyrhythmic" or whatever) to back up
it up... something ENTIRELY different than house
having a FOUR-TO-THE-FLOOR pulse beat.

how did i know what David was doing...?
b-c almost every junglist who THINKS they know
shit about music theory says the same shit... and
their usually the ones playing their music to their
fuckin' dog in their bedroom... basically, i guessed...



how did i know i was right...?

because i can fuckin' read.

So, anyway, thanks for understanding where i was
coming from M.Styles... much appreciated... (and to
anyone else who dared to actually read a post)


at any rate,
i'm off to make my 64/4 house!


booyah, bitches!
 
by the way static whatever


32 doesn't divide well with 9

so 32/4 COULDN'T be offset by 9 measures
unless you had an extra beats here and there
to turn 27 (divisible by 9) into 32

and 32/4 that's split into 6 measures has a
tie signature of...? you guessed it...
6/4
NOT 32/4

and its wonderful that jazz and funk musician's are
mentioned... b-c they knew time signatures, i'm
pretty sure.


now if we can stop with the (apparently
needed) music theory lesson and get
back to the topic at hand....
 
it's like people freakin' out when that dj software-computer
thingy came out and a handful of clubs (incld. 3 in my home city) ran out and got one thinking it'd be the end of having to pay a dj....

yeah... one club is now out of business and the other 2 clubs still not only have international djs come in but also have resorted to whoring themselves out to former rave promoters....

yes, you will have clubs that do this.

but, there won't be a mass exodus of iPod nights b-c there is no energy between crowd and dj/performer....
 
check out www.reticentrecordings.com, these are two prog house producers that utilize two laptops along with three djm600 mixers to play live with. They do some sweet ass stuff that is was different than any single dj playing with a laptop. It's like seeing one guy with two brains make music together on two computers.
 
sasha live now.

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Heres a few pics of the man like... doing his thing with a new laptop and I'm sure the crowd was still enjoying themselves. Maybe even more as he says he now does live remixes of a bunch of tracks.
 
yeah, but he's rockin ableton live, triggering audio clips, with the ability to remix, freak, etc. A bit different from dj'ing mp3's off a laptop. More like a live pa than a dj set really. Besides, in a booth like that, and being sasha, he could play a fucking pre-mixed cd with his thumbs up his ass and people would still be going off.

btw, is that the a&h v:6 in that pick? lucky bastard.
 
Douglas Black said:
being sasha, he could play a fucking pre-mixed cd with his thumbs up his ass and people would still be going off.
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exactly. i hate when sasha is brought up often because of what you just said. he could twiddle his thumbs while cds played and the fucked up sashaholics would still be pumpin their silly fists in the air as if he were god
 
^ much agreed. (times 1000)

it's well known that superstars can get away with
doing alot of things that regionals and locals simply couldn't

and it's the regionals and locals that drives the scene
(in any city)... sasha isn't in every city every weekend...

;)

the simple matter is, for the most part, Sasha does
something, people love it... someone else does it
better, but he's not $15K to bring in, and patrons
didn't have to pay $15-20 to get in on a tuesday
night, and people don't care...

the club-edm culture is as much sheep as everyone
else... so to point to someone who is an EXCEPTION
to the norm as a indicator that a sub-culture is ready
for something is moot.

(and sasha was a boring dj -- performance wise -- before
he went laptop... and he'll be a boring dj long after)
 
I've seen "normal" club DJ's using laptops etc and the crowd were loving it.......... most pub DJ's now seem to be mixing off some form of computer and the drunken hoards seem to be loving it........ and the big names are all using Laptops etc and the crowds defo love it!!

except for the purest musical geeks we are already accepting the new technology and loving it......... the crowds will always dance if the music is banging.

I can only talk for the UK scene but it doesn't really seem to be a big issue here? We have so many DJ's performing live PA's week in week out that its becomming the norm to see laptops/final scratch in DJ booths, which is a great thing!!

I recently got tracktor and a laptop and it totally rekindled my love of mixing and has added another string to my bow........ legal downloads of tunes are now only £1.5 not the £6 for a sheet of vinyl, and mixing in tracktor is no harder/easier than mixing on vinyl!!! its not replacing my beloved vinyl but it enables me to buy tunes from many genres that I wouldn't normally cos of the prohibitive cost of vinyl........

dont knock it till you've tried it :)
 
I have tried it. I've also tried ableton. Played Live PA sets, spun on 4 decks, etc... used CDJ's.

And I've gotta tell ya... I was once a CDJ skeptic... then I realized that you have to use EVERY TOOL, not just some of them, to put the best set together.

And without being conceited or cocky, I bet I could throw down a killer set that isn't possible on 2 decks and a CDJ because I INCORPERATE final scratch, and ableton... but I don't use ONE OR THE OTHER... I USE THEM ALL.

Look at Sasha... look at how red his coke nose is... I have yet to hear a set from ANYONE that has shown me that PCDJ's are even the slightest bit viable.

Second of all, using someone who is widely regarded as one of the most disappointing acts in existence(yea, I've seen him--NO he wasn't as good as you think he is) as an example of someone who is breaking ground is absurd.

Sasha doing a PA set is the equivalent of a Crystal Method DJ set... anyone ever make the mistake of catching one of those bullshit sets? Same thing.

I've heard Sasha on vinyl and I've heard him on Ableton, and I've gotta tell you--I wasn't impressed by either of his sets, the least of which is Ableton!

Richie Hawtin is the ONLY person around right now who should even be considered when talking about viable PC acts. Period.
 
and another thing...

I don't shop my demo around town because I want to be booked... I do it because I want my music to be heard. It is MUCH more important to me to be requested to play an event than it is for me to beg to play.

If you are known for having a GOOD following of underground fans, then you are viable, in my opinion.

If you play progressive house, you are basically a slow trance DJ. Plain and simple.

It's funny, to me, that ONLY progressive DJ's are actually using Ableton exclusively. Funnier still, some of the biggest supporters of Ableton NOW, were the same ones who laughed in my face when I said it was the wave of the future. Funny how you don't hear about Adam Beyer, Chris Leibing, Scott Project, or any serious harder edged DJ rockin Ableton... go to fucking Germany or Sweden and try to get away with that shit.

If you want, I DARE someone here to challenge me to a mix-off. I'll let you pick the genre. I don't care if it's trance. You mix with Ableton... I'll mix with 2 decks and a mixer(nothing more, nothing less)

Even better, I'll borrow my friends shit Gemini's and his Numark mixer with the broken crossfader, and STILL throw down a better set than any asshole in ableton alone.
 
lol....... nice rant roliepolie!!! =D

I saw richie hawtin last month at fabric........ yep, awesome!!

My post wasn't about exclusively using anything......... like you I think you should use whatevers best for the task, but be able to use everything.........

I'd love to hear your demo!!!! :D
 
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