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When Will Live Audiences Be Ready For Computer Mixing
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i agree with a lot of what p3rc3pt10n has said. a couple of things.
1. there's surely a difference between live pa (a la cosmosis, infected, etc.) and computer mixing. live sequencing goes way beyond 'mixing'...
2. to answer the substantive question "When Will Live Audiences Be Ready For Computer Mixing" - what makes people think they're not?
alasdair
1. there's surely a difference between live pa (a la cosmosis, infected, etc.) and computer mixing. live sequencing goes way beyond 'mixing'...
2. to answer the substantive question "When Will Live Audiences Be Ready For Computer Mixing" - what makes people think they're not?
alasdair
David
Ex-Bluelighter
^^^ Ok, I should redefine what i'm saying is good with computer work, that's Live PAs mostly. I've heard some really shitty live PAs before, from some really weak ass sequencers before, but so far, I've only heard a few really shitty Live PAs done with the PC. I can't even begin to count how many shitty DJs I've seen. I know it's at least two every party, and fifty at every festival. That adds up quick.
I went to see this pretty good DJ do his first live PA once, and he did it with only a Roland sp-505. He used all of the stock sounds, and filters, and tried to make some weird techno stuff, but it failed miserably.I never heard from the guy again after that, and he pretty much dropped off the face of the earth.
Just curious, which phase, He's done a lot of different styles of music to just say he is a snooze fest. Some of his breakwork is simply out of this world complex. His early shite from the Netherlands, would put everyone here to shame, when he was in his prime, I doubt many people here will even come close to how good he was. He also was mainly a producer, and did almost everything on home-made gear, or PC.
No offense anyone, I know there are some really good producers here, but I doubt many will be such an influence on five entire genre's all in one album, like he was. DnB will never be the same, since he took breaks to another level. My fellow DnB-heads should know this, or at least have an inkling.
I went to see this pretty good DJ do his first live PA once, and he did it with only a Roland sp-505. He used all of the stock sounds, and filters, and tried to make some weird techno stuff, but it failed miserably.I never heard from the guy again after that, and he pretty much dropped off the face of the earth.
Just curious, which phase, He's done a lot of different styles of music to just say he is a snooze fest. Some of his breakwork is simply out of this world complex. His early shite from the Netherlands, would put everyone here to shame, when he was in his prime, I doubt many people here will even come close to how good he was. He also was mainly a producer, and did almost everything on home-made gear, or PC.
No offense anyone, I know there are some really good producers here, but I doubt many will be such an influence on five entire genre's all in one album, like he was. DnB will never be the same, since he took breaks to another level. My fellow DnB-heads should know this, or at least have an inkling.
physix
Bluelight Crew
David said:
this shows your true and undenying ignorance of music
even jungle is 4/4
so, to answer your question.... most everybody
physix
Bluelight Crew
Wunderkind said:
yeah. i don't understand why, now, people even
try and argue the validity of laptop performance.
arguing the validity of something -- especially in art -- is pointless.
it matters little if a bunch of local-playing-on-a-tuesday-night-for-free
glorified bedroom Djs 'approve'....
it matters little if a bunch of over-paid over-hyped superstars 'approve'...
it matters even less of musical snobs who mask their snobbery with
whatever sense of "we're bad-ass b-c we don't have a pulse beat"
(which, by the ways, shows not only snobbery, but also how shallow
their 'love' for their 'art' truly is... considering how they can be
so tricked by soething as simple as a rhythm without even trying to
delve into the deeper asthetics of the music...)
the fact is, computers are here and here to stay.
people sitting at their DAWs don't remember the big hooplah
that DAWs caused with recording studios...
people playing on their MIDI controllers barely fathom the hooplah
that a certain someone caused when he did a whole album of
Beethovan and Bach on the first moog....
and none of us were there when the harpsicord and it's lack of
simple volume control did to the classical era.
evolution happens.
and, ironically, edm is supposedly all about evolution of thought
and progression of art... yet something as simple as presenting
music from a laptop gets so many people riled up...
it's disheartening.
( but not as disheartening as boring ass laptop point-n-clickers
)it's 3am and i'm tired.... so i'm waxing on...
i think, with the right kind of energy, a laptop performance could
be entertaining .... and i'm not refering to simply to someone
playing on the 'puter and another person in a bunny-suit with a
metal facemask on, ramming a chainsaw at his face and spitting
sparks everywhere....
no, i'm talking about real performances by the people performing
the music.... not some sideshow freakshow reject antic, either....
when a laptop performer has the energy and dynamic of a madonna
or a prince or a michael jackson or a red hot chili peppers or a
green day or whatever.... then.... then we'll be ready for laptop
performers as a norm.
David
Ex-Bluelighter
^^ You are the very example of that snobbish attitude, that you just spoke of.
Umm, everything I make is in 32/4, same with most of the people I associate with. It's also very common with POLY-RHYTHMS to have different scales with-in the main one. Computers make this very possible, as I don't see too many live PAs using just drum machines for DnB. Something about making them synch in a poly-environment.
Thanks for your attempt at flaming me, but your absolutely wrong, when you are speaking of scales in Jungle. Maybe that crappy American DnB, that they are trying to pass for Jungle these days is 4/4, but almost everything I deal with is much finer scales, and even has a bit of swing in it, which automatically throws off the 4/4 thought.
Umm, everything I make is in 32/4, same with most of the people I associate with. It's also very common with POLY-RHYTHMS to have different scales with-in the main one. Computers make this very possible, as I don't see too many live PAs using just drum machines for DnB. Something about making them synch in a poly-environment.
Thanks for your attempt at flaming me, but your absolutely wrong, when you are speaking of scales in Jungle. Maybe that crappy American DnB, that they are trying to pass for Jungle these days is 4/4, but almost everything I deal with is much finer scales, and even has a bit of swing in it, which automatically throws off the 4/4 thought.
Originally posted by David
...snobbish attitude...
...snobbish attitude...
Originally posted by David
crappy American DnB
crappy American DnB
8)
alasdair
physix
Bluelight Crew
David said:
uhm
right.
4/4 is a time signature
(brits typically call it a meter)
it means 4 beats per measure
quarter note gets the beat
NO ONE is writing in 32/4
that means that if you were to transcribe your music
into sheet music, you'd have one measure that
is full of 32 beats.
32 beats per measure
quarter note gets the beat
i doubt that's what is happening.
what you MAY be doing is the 32 RESOLUTION on a drum
machine. or you may have your snap-to set at 32nd notes
(versus 16th notes or 8th notes or measure or whatever)
that's totally different than TIME SIGNATURE
dance music is done (with few exceptions) in 4/4
it's typical meter that is au naturale for human
consumption.
jungle is done in it...
house
trance
techno
only avant garde stuff is done in other time signatures.
so, yeah, try again.
physix
Bluelight Crew
David said:
oh, yeah, i sure am.
becuase i'm not TRICKED by stupid shit like what my
resolution is set to on my drum machine/sequencer
(which, by the way, is set for 64th notes so that i can
throw a swing on shit -- hey, does that mean i'm
in 64/4 meter?!?!?!? YAY! i'm better than David's
jungle!! who-hoooo!)
so, my only snobbery are towards people who know
enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be factual,
and to idiots who think that just because some beat
is faster and more syncopated that it makes an entire
genre better than another.... there is SO MUCH MORE
to music than the rhythm....
i PREFER jungle rhythms because they are complex
and love to incorporate that into alot of house and
techno music that i make... it does NOT make jungle
'better'...
and sorry, if your only argument to why jungle is
better than house is some ill-fated notion that
you're in 32/4 meter when CLEARLY you're not,
well.... then i feel for all of jungle.
by the way
32/4 = 8 measure of 4/4 = 1 phrase (or 2 phrases in
4 measure-phrased composition)
so anyone that DID write in 32/4 and think "gee, look
at me, i'm much cooler b-c i didn't put a bar line
separating my measures in 8 places, i just did it in
one" is an idiot.
and if you don't know what i'm talking about, then
take a theory class.
physix
Bluelight Crew
by the way, you used atypical wrong, too.
roliepolie
Ex-Bluelighter
boh!
my selectah!
my selectah!
Wunderkind
Bluelighter
clap clap clap
Very well done, couldn't have put it better myself. I love you physix, in that hetero life-mate sort of way.
Very well done, couldn't have put it better myself. I love you physix, in that hetero life-mate sort of way.
dr seuss
Bluelight Crew
except you're misunderestimating the truth of the matter, physix...
there are plenty of dance tracks out there in 27/16... :D
this is from Colin OOOD, who's had... er... a good coupla albums worth of stuff out:
serious producers should head to soundonsound.com's forums... or psy-forum. to be honest they're the bestest production-advice groups i've found.
there are plenty of dance tracks out there in 27/16... :D
this is from Colin OOOD, who's had... er... a good coupla albums worth of stuff out:
serious producers should head to soundonsound.com's forums... or psy-forum. to be honest they're the bestest production-advice groups i've found.
therastamonsays
Bluelighter
David said:
i couldnt agree with you more, and your other point about american dnb is true as well. i spin ragga jungle which causes you to definatly show allot more love for the music. not just some guy playing records like allot of other genres of electronic music
Scrimit
Bluelighter
therastamonsays said:
what?
David
Ex-Bluelighter
physix said:
Yes, I knew that already.
Just because you doubt it, does not mean it is not happening. It's what happens when you synch old styles DINs with midi, you have to use lower BPM's with finer scale adjustments to be able to keep those old boxes up to the right speed. Add in a slide, or a swing, then it gets even more fucked up.
Glad you know how every fucking person does it. 8) 4/4 is not used in the crowds I'm in. Some do use it, but those days are slowly disappearing, when people are starting to throw in 3/4 with 4/4, 16/4, 32/4, etc, all together, and making some very insane shit.
Take your pompous attitude, and fuck off, just because you've never seen it done, doesn't mean shit. I've been around much longer than most people here. I've been on the leading experimental edge of DnB for quite some time. I'm not sure how long you've been around, but you must not being paying attention to everything that has come out of the Chicago scene since it broke up. Milwaukee is now the place in the US for underground experimental, mostly out of this world DnB, and breaks. In a few years you guys might start hearing about of some of the shit they've been doing up there.
I'm done with the elitist shite, I have nothing to say, my music will be my voice, and my proof. You guys are behind.
Mystic Styles
Bluelighter
therastamonsays said:
ignorance is bliss
physix
Bluelight Crew
David said:
you're telling us that you're doing some shortcut
to make up for the shortcomings of technology.
that still doesn't make the song 32/4.... and, since
you "know that already" then you should have
"known that already"...
your song is NOT 32/4... in pre-production and composition
that's how you work it to deal with whatever limitations
are present... or, should i say, the ILLUSION of limitations
(better yet YOUR limitations)
David said:
4/4
8/4
16/4
32/4
64/4
128/4
it's all the same
4/4
it's still duplex meter...
compound, but duplex.
since you have all these magickally complex time sigs
please... post the beats... let's hear 'em...
thus far, every snobby ass junglist that have said shit
like "oh, this is in 3/4" were all the same: tricked by some
triplets.
David said:
i will if you will.
David said:
bwhahahahahah!
wow. the "i've been around" argument.
that's class.
been around so long
and on such the leading path of "experimental"
DnB... yet, you're posting on bluelight....
and sorry, who are you again?
by the bye, i'm not in music to stroke my own cock
(i have groupies that do that) so i won't go into
my credentials and releases and even who, in the
jungle scene, i've had the pleasure of working with
and watching work... it's pointless... much like
this thread.
David said:
in a few years i'm sure we won't care...
oh wait... that's today!
nevermind!
David said:
apparently you're only done with OTHER people's
elitism and pomposity. however, you have a long
way to go before you're done with your own.
David said:
*cricket cricket*
hrmm... you're right.... your music is your proof.
*cricket cricket*
David said:
and you're an ass... so that makes us about even.
Static Assault
Bluelighter
You're both fucking idiots.
Mystic Styles
Bluelighter
physix's arguements seem to be clear, concise, and show he's right. The other arguement is basically " i was supplied misinformation on what im actually doing, but i refuse to admit it".
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