When Will Live Audiences Be Ready For Computer Mixing

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"I still get booked, and I still rock a party"

i'm sure you're great. i'm not sure it's at all relevant to the topic.

"chew on that, and get off of my nutts"

Originally posted by roliepolie
I can already see the level of leadership we have in these forums... I don't think I would lower the standard any, if selected.


alasdair
 
fuck anyone who thinks that prog is just slow trance. It's so far from it that if you believe that...then your head must be stuck up your ass. So get it out and learn to use your ears. I'm with allan on this one all the way bro.
 
hehe, someone should tell the cats over at progressivehouse.com they are just slow trance djs, plain and simple lol
 
As far as just using a computer to do the mixing, I think it'd be accepted quite well right now. Who cares if a guy is mixing with a mixer or computer? The average person listening wouldn't be able to tell anyway.
 
Roliepolie, allan51, please check your PMs.

Blue_Lava started a good thread and Id like to keep it open since it does promote good discussion so everyone play nice :p
 
roliepolie said:
the mouse clicker isn't a DJ, which is the point that most of the people here have been trying to make for the last weeks.

fuck eet.

put up, what? a mix?

there is no way to verify that I mixed it myself at all, so whats the fucking point?

Your afraid we wont like your mix. Just post one. I'll believe you.
 
I'm with the girlie on this one. People get too personal about things that don't even matter. We all have our opinions and it just seems that some people wanna make others think their opinions are religion. Get over it. Keep your mind open and good things will come your way.
 
I regularly tell the people in the progressive house channel on Soulseek how I feel about progressive and the weirdo's who play it... and the discussion goes over slightly better with them :D
 
this thread has gotten ridiculously long with pointless naive discussion... if everyone really would actually think for a second they'd realize... hmmmmm....
i wonder how music gets put on vinyl...hmmm....
i wonder if computers are used in a professional studio to produce dance music...hmmm...
computers are everywhere, there isn't a single piece of dance music out there that didn't have a helping push or shove or punch from computer technology...
so r people ready for computer mixing/djing??.. uh, YAH.. ur already listening to it.
 
Zen Trancer said:
computers are everywhere, there isn't a single piece of dance music out there that didn't have a helping push or shove or punch from computer technology...
so r people ready for computer mixing/djing??.. uh, YAH.. ur already listening to it.

computer technology is everywhere, yes. however, mixing completely via computer is totally different id think
 
How? Beat-matching is like pedalling a bike - you can't progress if you can't do it, but once you can it's subconcious and you don't think about it anymore. Just because the computer can re-pitch a track (and hold the key, and whatnot) doesn't mean it's in anyway 'mixing' for you. Mixing is the art of EQing and fading tracks together, in time, in phrase, and creating a GOOD transition between them, or combine them into a mashup, or mix in and out and in out of several tracks together. These are the skills that set DJs apart, and nothing else really matters - it's all about what's coming out of the speakers.

If computer mixing can force the bar higher, then let's do it, the music will be better (hopefully)! :)

People need to expect more from a live performance, you should be getting something awesome for your $30 (or $100!), we should be welcoming all this new technology with open arms and pushing the new and innovative sounds. C'monnnn!
 
yea, but passing it off as "better" is absurd, as noone has backed their claims... noone has even proven that it is AS GOOD as mixing vinyl/CD's...

I don't have to prove that records are better, for it isn't something NEW AND UNPROVEN, such as mixing with a PC...

I don't have the prima facia burden of proof... wanna know why? Because my methods are accepted. And yours will be too, if you prove yourself.
 
of course its as good.

If a top jock did exactly the same mix on PC or decks it would sound exactly the same!! its just a different format.

its not about whats better, each has their own plus and minus points. Its all about the music thats played on them.

and mixing on a PC isn't unproven to work anyway!! DJ's are doing it. The thread is when will people accept it.
 
I grew up and spent a great deal of my teens and early 20's in the heavy metal scene and I lived in a rather sheltered and niave little world. We all took great pleasure in bagging the fuck out of "tekno" and associated. As far as we were concerned it was all pre-fabricated and repititious (sp?) crap - and to pay top dollar to attend a rave only to have bunch of guys spin records was lunacy. It defeated the prupose of seeing a live show with talented musicians. Backward and close minded thinking it was and its still prevelant today, even within the electronica scene.

About 5 years ago I was invited to a rave by a friend that opened my eyes to a broad genre that has captivated my mind and soul till this very day... I experienced first hand what for many years I thought a guy playing records couldn't possibly do - move me emotionally. To me a true DJ works and creates on the night, reads the crowd, reads the mood in order to keep the flow of the party unbroken and possibly take the crowd to heights never travelled. My love for the skill of DJ'ing also had me believing that anyone in front of a lap top was going to fall short of captivating my soul - its was pre-fabricated and repititious ;) shessh you'd think I would have learnt...instead I just merely shifted my close mindedness to another genre of music.

This attitude changed when I had the privelage of seeing S.U.N Project live - and let me tell you now... no-one has come to blow my mind as they have... well apart from Pink Floyd (but lets not bring the Gods into this ;)) It wasn't a guy spinning but two highly talented guys creating a truelly unique expeirence. You felt that you were part of something special.

The point of my rant is that change is always hard to accept, especially when you have an emotional connection to a genre... it's fear that it will take that something special away. It's very much the way I felt when grunge came out and swallowed up what little metal scene Australia had at the time with everyone jumping on the band wagon... had I stopped to listen I might have noticed some of these bands had telent... but prejiduce can be a strong thing in us.

Sure its different.... but it doesn't mean its any less entertaining... cause in the end the power to move someone comes from the guy/girl holding the guitar/mixing those records/creating music via PC. Thats the difference between a performer and a clone.

Sure the possibility to abuse and take advantage of the technology is there, to have people believe you are creating music when in fact you are just regurgitating.... but remember there are alot of people that believe that the DJ scene as a whole is nothing but riding on the back of someone elses creation.... but we know better ;)

Don't be so ignorant and give any new direction a chance.... cause within the hordes of clones there will be some special diamonds creating inspirational and moving pieces of music... its your job to crap detect rather than discount as a whole.

thank you and goodnite :)
 
^ i've seen s.u.n. project live many times and they surely rock my socks

:)

Originally posted by roliepolie
noone has even proven that it is AS GOOD as mixing vinyl/CD's...

your snobbery continues unabated...

what you're saying is like 'nobody has proved a hammer is AS GOOD as a screwdriver'. they're both tools which, in the right hands can do great work and in the wrong hands create trainwrecks. the acid test is in the finished product which is, in this case, the music. as kataklysm and others have says "it's all about what's coming out of the speakers"

i have heard computer mixed sets which are as good as cd/vinyl sets. you are demonstrably wrong.

alasdair
 
I think that using computers and (re)mix software is a terribly exciting idea. It opens doors for creativity and experimentation. And pushes the boundary of music and performance art.

It's the case of the "Main Tent" versus the "Side Show." The establish acts perform in the main tent. And the new, exciting, freakish acts perform as the side show. As the side show performances gain a bigger audience, they move up to the main tent, and in the process get subjugated to the demons of capitalism and greed.

Meanwhile, new acts are presented in the side show... and the cycle continues.
 
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