<<cut price>> is a big leap of faith without even trying hahaMy connect charges <<cut price>> for a gram of MDMA, but it is verifiably made from sassafras bark.
Contrast that with about <<cut price>> on the darkweb.....clearly there is a big difference there.
I have yet to try this stuff, haven't had the right occasion. but I'm curious if it will be like the good old stuff.
I'm quite curious what verification method was used.My connect charges <<cut price>> for a gram of MDMA, but it is verifiably made from sassafras bark.
I know people will say this is placebo and what not, but i get this 100%. Different batches of mdma can have their own signature feel. I totally have gotten the "creamy" roll before (wasnt a pressed pill that said this or anything), from independent observation in the moment!
I agree with this as well guys, from 1996. Certain presses just had rheir own special magic signature and quality. No way could I accept it being just dosage related, and the whole set/setting supposition is abused IMO, whipped out any time as a simple explanation.I too 100% agree and feel it clouds the overall discussion as well. It’s hard to pinpoint what’s meh and magic when each batch has its own unique feel.
Over the years I’ve been able to nail down some of differences (which I talked about in another thread) batch to batch which I attribute to small variations in isomers, impurities, and polymorphs.
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We do not allow price discussion anywhere on the MED forum, please keep that in mind. I'm on my cellphone now but I'll edit out the price later today, or you can do it yourselfMy connect charges <<cut price>> for a gram of MDMA, but it is verifiably made from sassafras bark.
Contrast that with about <<cut price>> on the darkweb.....clearly there is a big difference there.
I have yet to try this stuff, haven't had the right occasion. but I'm curious if it will be like the good old stuff.
I think it's actually a BL wide rule, for everyone's referenceWe do not allow price discussion anywhere on the MED forum, please keep that in mind. I'm on my cellphone now but I'll edit out the price later today, or you can do it yourself
There are certain sections that do allow it for small quantities, EADD is an example. But in general indeed, it's a site-wide ruleI think it's actually a BL wide rule, for everyone's reference![]()
Could my issue be that I have a bad scale? Seriously. If my scale is weighing out mg significantly "off," then that would explain A LOT. Have we even discussed this here?
I doubt it tbh. It's been stated many times that even upping the dose significantly doesn't turn meh into magic, it just creates a stronger meh experience.
Nvm I found it, when the n-formyl intermediate is found it’s usually in 15-20% amounts.
@indigoaura one thing I notice about the reagent results is how brown the Marquis looks, to me that puddle looks different than what I usually see. But maybe it’s down to some variable like older reagent or something..
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While ya’ll start compiling I’ll add yet another example showing how MDMA can vary...
As we know safrole, particularly American sassafras oil, was most prevalently used in the 90’s and early 00’s. Even when safrole was still being used there was a switch over to international sources of safrole which had a different constituents.
Here’s a ref which says they analyzed sassafras oil (presumably American sassafras) and found camphor, eugenol, dimethoxyalyllbenzene (methyl eugenol) and trimethoxyalyllbenzene (elemicin).
Gas Chromatographic and Mass Spectrometric Analysis of Samples from a Clandestine Laboratory Involved in the Synthesis of Ecstacy from Sassafras Oil
F.T. Noggle, Jr., C. Randall Clark and Jack DeRuiter
Journal of Chromatographic Science, Vol. 29, 168-173 (1991)
What does this mean? Well by the sounds of many old school 90’s pills still reaking of sass it’s likely that they may have had at least residual amounts of these other compounds (even with a distillation it’s possible some made it through) which would then proceed the same as MDMA to create 3,4-DMA and 3,4,5-TMA.
Both of these compounds are known to be psychoactive and I’d bet even a couple of mg of TMA would alter the experience.
Here’s also a case report as well as a side study on said case report where 3,4-DMA was found in an ecstasy sample with MDMA. While it’s obvious by the blood levels that the 3,4-Dma was added intentionally, it’s interesting to note that it inhibited an enzyme needed to excrete MDMA which for this young lady went bad. They suspect it was added to help potentiates the MDMA.
While I believe the dosage was probably equal to the dosage of MDMA in the pill, I wonder what a couple mg would do with a standard dose of MDMA?
So to recap, old school safrole MDMA made via Leuckart had at least 6 or so different active impurities all of which would likely alter the experience in some way different from today’s product. Was it better? Maybe. Is good MDMA still around? You bet your ass it is!
Those active impurities one more time.. MDA, TMA, 3,4-DMA, n-formyl-MDMA, MDDMA, and the two compounds in that one study too long to say again lol.
The 3,4-DMA interests me in particular as it seems like it could be culprit for why MDMA used to last so much longer... The batches which I’ve found to have that all night lingering effect also were safrole smelling.
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Safrole, the main compound in the essential oil of several plants of the Laurel family (Lauraceae), and its secondary product piperonylmethylketone are the predominantly used precursors for the illicit synthesis of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) which is, in turn, the most common active ingredient in Ecstasy tablets. Analytical methods with adequate capacity to identify links and origin of precursors, such as safrole, provide valuable information for drug-related police intelligence. Authentic sassafras oil samples from police seizures were subjected to comparative analysis based on their chemical profiles obtained by comprehensive two-dimensional gas chromatography time-of-flight mass spectrometry (GC GC–TOFMS). The enhanced separation power and increased sensitivity of GC GC allowed for the detection of minor compounds present in the essential oils which were of particular interest in case of very pure samples whose impurity profiles were not very pronounced. Discrimination of such samples was still possible even in the absence of characteristic main compounds.