From personal experience, this will eventually catch up with you. Would try and be alert for short term memory issues that may manifest.
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I know people will say this is placebo and what not, but i get this 100%. Different batches of mdma can have their own signature feel. I totally have gotten the "creamy" roll before (wasnt a pressed pill that said this or anything), from independent observation in the moment!
I know people will say this is placebo and what not, but i get this 100%. Different batches of mdma can have their own signature feel. I totally have gotten the "creamy" roll before (wasnt a pressed pill that said this or anything), from independent observation in the moment!
I too 100% agree and feel it clouds the overall discussion as well. It’s hard to pinpoint what’s meh and magic when each batch has its own unique feel.
Over the years I’ve been able to nail down some of differences (which I talked about in another thread) batch to batch which I attribute to small variations in isomers, impurities, and polymorphs.
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I too 100% agree and feel it clouds the overall discussion as well. It’s hard to pinpoint what’s meh and magic when each batch has its own unique feel.
Over the years I’ve been able to nail down some of differences (which I talked about in another thread) batch to batch which I attribute to small variations in isomers, impurities, and polymorphs.
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Nothing to contribute other than thank you for a new thread 
indigoaura
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I honestly feel like we should just get rid of all these replies from the last thread and use the first few posts of this new, clean thread to post relevant research articles that might cast light on this issue, or particularly relevant posts from the other thread. No reason to clog this new thread up immediately with chatter. What does everyone else think? If the first 5-10 posts were all research based, relevant information, I think that would be helpful to everyone who comes to peruse the thread.
@BlueBull - Can we get rid of all the bullshit posts and just start 100% fresh?
@BlueBull - Can we get rid of all the bullshit posts and just start 100% fresh?
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It would be nice to be able to add some more summarization info to the first post of this new thread, @BlueBull
Nice timing, indigo. I agree completely. We have a good chance to accelerate the rate that new visitors are able to catch up. We should use this new thread's first posts specifically for providing the latest information and hypotheses.
Nice timing, indigo. I agree completely. We have a good chance to accelerate the rate that new visitors are able to catch up. We should use this new thread's first posts specifically for providing the latest information and hypotheses.
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I have found a definitave difference between magic and meh
having tried both on multiple occasions.
and that is Taste.
All MD tastes like bitter ass but magic has a very distinct taste i can only describe as burnt tire.
its a very noticable difference that i have encountered mostly in brown colored MD but have also encountered it in purple appearance.
though i have also had brown/purple/clear meh.
having tried both on multiple occasions.
and that is Taste.
All MD tastes like bitter ass but magic has a very distinct taste i can only describe as burnt tire.
its a very noticable difference that i have encountered mostly in brown colored MD but have also encountered it in purple appearance.
though i have also had brown/purple/clear meh.
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That's possible yes, of course. Is everyone agreed in this or are there objections? If there is agreement, you can just go ahead and post the research/summary posts as you say and when they are satisfactory, I will hide everything else so you're just left with those posts as the first ones. Do you still want to keep the original first post as an intro?
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While ya’ll start compiling I’ll add yet another example showing how MDMA can vary...
As we know safrole, particularly American sassafras oil, was most prevalently used in the 90’s and early 00’s. Even when safrole was still being used there was a switch over to international sources of safrole which had a different constituents.
Here’s a ref which says they analyzed sassafras oil (presumably American sassafras) and found camphor, eugenol, dimethoxyalyllbenzene (methyl eugenol) and trimethoxyalyllbenzene (elemicin).
Gas Chromatographic and Mass Spectrometric Analysis of Samples from a Clandestine Laboratory Involved in the Synthesis of Ecstacy from Sassafras Oil
F.T. Noggle, Jr., C. Randall Clark and Jack DeRuiter
Journal of Chromatographic Science, Vol. 29, 168-173 (1991)
What does this mean? Well by the sounds of many old school 90’s pills still reaking of sass it’s likely that they may have had at least residual amounts of these other compounds (even with a distillation it’s possible some made it through) which would then proceed the same as MDMA to create 3,4-DMA and 3,4,5-TMA.
Both of these compounds are known to be psychoactive and I’d bet even a couple of mg of TMA would alter the experience.
Here’s also a case report as well as a side study on said case report where 3,4-DMA was found in an ecstasy sample with MDMA. While it’s obvious by the blood levels that the 3,4-Dma was added intentionally, it’s interesting to note that it inhibited an enzyme needed to excrete MDMA which for this young lady went bad. They suspect it was added to help potentiates the MDMA.
While I believe the dosage was probably equal to the dosage of MDMA in the pill, I wonder what a couple mg would do with a standard dose of MDMA?
So to recap, old school safrole MDMA made via Leuckart had at least 6 or so different active impurities all of which would likely alter the experience in some way different from today’s product. Was it better? Maybe. Is good MDMA still around? You bet your ass it is!
Those active impurities one more time.. MDA, TMA, 3,4-DMA, n-formyl-MDMA, MDDMA, and the two compounds in that one study too long to say again lol.
The 3,4-DMA interests me in particular as it seems like it could be culprit for why MDMA used to last so much longer... The batches which I’ve found to have that all night lingering effect also were safrole smelling.
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As we know safrole, particularly American sassafras oil, was most prevalently used in the 90’s and early 00’s. Even when safrole was still being used there was a switch over to international sources of safrole which had a different constituents.
Here’s a ref which says they analyzed sassafras oil (presumably American sassafras) and found camphor, eugenol, dimethoxyalyllbenzene (methyl eugenol) and trimethoxyalyllbenzene (elemicin).
Gas Chromatographic and Mass Spectrometric Analysis of Samples from a Clandestine Laboratory Involved in the Synthesis of Ecstacy from Sassafras Oil
F.T. Noggle, Jr., C. Randall Clark and Jack DeRuiter
Journal of Chromatographic Science, Vol. 29, 168-173 (1991)
What does this mean? Well by the sounds of many old school 90’s pills still reaking of sass it’s likely that they may have had at least residual amounts of these other compounds (even with a distillation it’s possible some made it through) which would then proceed the same as MDMA to create 3,4-DMA and 3,4,5-TMA.
Both of these compounds are known to be psychoactive and I’d bet even a couple of mg of TMA would alter the experience.
Here’s also a case report as well as a side study on said case report where 3,4-DMA was found in an ecstasy sample with MDMA. While it’s obvious by the blood levels that the 3,4-Dma was added intentionally, it’s interesting to note that it inhibited an enzyme needed to excrete MDMA which for this young lady went bad. They suspect it was added to help potentiates the MDMA.
While I believe the dosage was probably equal to the dosage of MDMA in the pill, I wonder what a couple mg would do with a standard dose of MDMA?
So to recap, old school safrole MDMA made via Leuckart had at least 6 or so different active impurities all of which would likely alter the experience in some way different from today’s product. Was it better? Maybe. Is good MDMA still around? You bet your ass it is!
Those active impurities one more time.. MDA, TMA, 3,4-DMA, n-formyl-MDMA, MDDMA, and the two compounds in that one study too long to say again lol.
The 3,4-DMA interests me in particular as it seems like it could be culprit for why MDMA used to last so much longer... The batches which I’ve found to have that all night lingering effect also were safrole smelling.
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Great research gchem.
So hypothetically if one acquired both Magic and Meh,
is there no practical way to find the chemical differences?
So hypothetically if one acquired both Magic and Meh,
is there no practical way to find the chemical differences?
Unfortunately not yet
My reagent tests for the most part have proven me wrong. That said, idk if I have a true “meh” batch to work with either...Another thing I found interesting which may pertain to this issue... It seems that even though supposedly MDMA quality is going up, MDMA use as a whole has actually dropped in many places. You’d think with quality much higher than 10yrs ago, more people in general, the use would have risen but nope.
Even more fascinating is that while use per person has been dropping in many areas, the overall MDMA found in wastewater in the EU has gone up by almost 6x in the last 10yrs!
So essentially less people using the drug but a lot more of it in the water cuz back 10yrs ago was the “drought” where most pills especially in the EU were bunk.
Why would less people be using a drug that’s supposedly higher quality, and those that use the drug require MUCH higher doses?
While I am perfectly content with my product all of these things together do keep me a believer.. It just all doesn’t make sense.
Past year MDMA users U.S. 2009-2023 | Statista
In 2023, it was estimated that around 2.1 million people in the United States had used ecstasy, also known as MDMA or Molly, in the past year.
www.statista.com
Edit- Can’t find the other study but did find enough to see UK has steadily been on the decline since 01.
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From what I can gather, the UK youth these days prefers cut to shit coke, cut to shit ketamine and fake xanax bars rather than cut to shit MDMA...
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From what I can gather, the UK youth these days prefers cut to shit coke, cut to shit ketamine and fake xanax bars rather than cut to shit MDMA...
Same around here im afraid, except it’s all not cut to shit but ya coke n ket for many
I still loath the day my friends all converted, still remember a festival where I was the only one dancing and look back to my group of 20 or so all sitting down looking faded as fuck. Mildly sickening. Then all the drama the next morning when everyone feels like dog shit from all the cocaine.One day we’ll have it all back, one day...
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Favor to ask and I’ll be back with some very relevant info before long..
Could someone who’s trekking back through the last thread find where me and @Negi talk about n-formylamphetamine and there’s possibly a link or ref to some article which gave percentages of n-formyl intermediates (Amphetamine and methamphetamine respectively).
If I’m remembering correctly the average was like 15-25% right? Anyone who could help me out will be appreciated.
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Could someone who’s trekking back through the last thread find where me and @Negi talk about n-formylamphetamine and there’s possibly a link or ref to some article which gave percentages of n-formyl intermediates (Amphetamine and methamphetamine respectively).
If I’m remembering correctly the average was like 15-25% right? Anyone who could help me out will be appreciated.
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What is wrong with the MDMA available today?
They mean NN Dimethylamino Methylenedioxy Amphetamine, MDMA with an extra methyl which is very much reduced activity. I though MDMA with an extra methyl was referred to as MDDMA, Methylenedioxydimethylamphetamine. This naming has been used since the Shulgin days so unlikely to have changed...
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It's not an general average, just the percentage found in one sample. Reading the paper, n-formylamphetamine was only found in 28 out of 761 amphetamine containing samples (3.68% ).
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