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Opioids Ultimate Poppy Pod/Seed Tea Mega Merged Thread III

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^I can not comment on the nutritional value of PST unfortunately but often times people do gain weight when they are regularly using opioids. This if often due to increased inactivity (who exercises when nodding?) as well as increased sugar craving and intake. Of course not everyone pigs out when they take opiates but it is pretty common to crave sweets and carbs more on opiates and consume them more, sometimes without realizing the extent.
 
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I definitely eat a lot more junk food when I'm under the influence of opiates. I'm one of those people with ultra fast metabolisms though - I can't seem to put on weight no matter how much I eat and how low my level of exercise/activity is.
 
Thanks for the input. I seem to be just as active as I ever was, but every time I get on the scale....there's more! Thinking of cutting back on PST. I've been making tea on a daily basis, have tried to stop a few times, but lost my motivation when the WD's start kickin in. Do have benzo's, but it's hard to stop brewing when the seeds are so readily available and it makes me feel so damn good! Maybe the weight is coming with age. Started drinking PST for headaches after I was diagnosed with Lyme's, went through a second round of antibiotics, now headaches are less severe, but I'm addicted to the tea physically and psychologically. My doc was interested and intrigued when I told him about the tea. He's never heard of it before, but told me, if it works, take the least amount you can until you start feeling better. Well, that's not working too well! So, trying to wean off this stuff, which is diffictult. Anymore input about weight gain and how people have gotten themselves off the stuff would be appreciated. Thanks
 
^Haha, you told your doctor about using poppy tea and he was okay with it?! I guess you didn't mention that they were opium poppies?
 
I definately prefer to use a blender over a coffee grinder, and I've used low and high quality versions of each numerous times. Coffee grinders are far more of a mess, as you can barely fit any material in there in the first place and have to empty and refill it a number of times over, which aside from if you happen to spill any, the accumilated loss of all the powder that flies into the air after each use is huge. Even if you wait to let it all settle before opening the lid, you still lose some out the sides and bottom, during the grinding process.

Blenders are generally better sealed and have a sharper stronger blade and motor. The bigger plus is you can fit your whole batch into it and grind it up at once. If you have a shitty blender it may not completely pulverize the pods, but this has 90% of the time never been as issue for me. I have a kitchenaid steel blender. It has a lawnmover engine in it and some minirature ginsue knives for the blade. :) ...I go from 10-15 grounds into powder in no time. You have have to open it up and stir the half-ground up pods though to get a uniform powder..this can be avoided by holding the lid closed tight, picking up the vessel and really shaking it around. You lose nothing when you blend, well dependent on how good the seals are on it.

The only thing remotely better about a coffee grinder is that it's smaller and portable, which isn't a needed factor, like ever when making pod tea. Lol it's not even really more quiet. If you want portability you simmer down and evaporate the water off a whole box and gel cap the residue..maybe even try to partially acetylate it with some vinegar. :) Lol it's not even really more quiet.
 
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I never used a coffee grinder but always assumed a blender would be most effiient. The blender has always worked well for me also ;)
 
if you blend the shit out of it with water it would probably be better. after all this i gather steeping in cold water for 24 hours at least, then bringing to a boil and immediately off and then covering it until room temp would be best return. my teas were always VERY dark and tasted strong, i would get smashed off 3 pods. to the poppyflow: if youre doing them daily or every day it was had as hell to get off. i rent from 3 pods to 2 pods to eventually just stems then reboiling thems. after that, the wd's kicked in in 24 hours and it was hell. i went to a gym immediately and did cardio for hours. to get off the tea i would bet the best way would be to take short acting high activity opiates like hydro or oxy, then go to like longer acting ones, such as methadone, then taper off the methadone. pod tea is full of so many alkaloids you DO NOT want to withdrawal from at once it was awful. some of the alkaloids like papaverine i believe arnt psychoactive but will affect your body. so youll be withdrawing from things that losen your stomach and do all kinds of shit. read up on what the main alkaloids are in pod tea, then imagine withdrawing from ALL that. its better to get off one long acting opiate rather than 10-50 who knows how many alkaloids in tea. good luck. i used benzos to get off opiates and now im stuck on benzos and the wd is worse! aye corumba.
 
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How long did you use the benzos for? If you only used them for the withdrawals you shouldn't have gotten addicted but I'm assuming you must have used them longer.

The reason why I'm asking is because I'm honestly thinking about obtaining some phenazepam for the purpose of getting over cold turkey withdrawal. I have no tolerance and history of abuse with benzos so I'm assuming I could use it to get over the worst of the withdrawals and if I stop at that point there shouldn't be any rebound withdrawals from the benzos.
 
yeah that would be fine i think. im just trying to warn people about when using benzos to get out of wd you can slip into them, thats what i did. but if have you have addictive tendency within (like me), you have to be careful, that's all
 
I have been on clonazepam for 28 years.....I know...long time. Anxiety problems. Can't count the amount of times I've tried to go off them. They are wicked when it comes to WD. Used to abuse them, but now I take what I need to help with anxiety which is .5 mg twice a day.
Yes...BollWeevil...Told my Doc that they were opium poppies. I had to be really honest with him because the headaches from the Lyme's is nothing to fool around with. He's homeopathic and and M.D. First doctor that really listened and understood what I was going through. I do whatever it takes when it comes to pain.......
 
yeah that would be fine i think. im just trying to warn people about when using benzos to get out of wd you can slip into them, thats what i did. but if have you have addictive tendency within (like me), you have to be careful, that's all

Yeah good call, it's not unheard of for people to replace one addiction for another. I fancy that I don't really have much of an addictive personality, I voluntarily became addicted to pods for pain relief and just got in over my head. I've had decent quantities of 1,4 BDO lying around here and that stuff is a pro-drug for GHB, sort of like GBL I definitely find it recreational, but I'm pretty careful with my use (take several day breaks between uses), which I definitely wasn't with poppies. I can't stand opiate withdrawal and from what I can tell benzo/GHB withdrawal is a whole different level of hell - not something I want to try at all.

I have been on clonazepam for 28 years.....I know...long time. Anxiety problems. Can't count the amount of times I've tried to go off them. They are wicked when it comes to WD. Used to abuse them, but now I take what I need to help with anxiety which is .5 mg twice a day.
Yes...BollWeevil...Told my Doc that they were opium poppies. I had to be really honest with him because the headaches from the Lyme's is nothing to fool around with. He's homeopathic and and M.D. First doctor that really listened and understood what I was going through. I do whatever it takes when it comes to pain.......

He sounds like a great doctor!
 
Hey guys there doesn't seem to be a lot of talk in here or the bupe thread about this.

If I'm using an avg of 6-8 pods a day, thats considered a "light" habit right? (even though I get terrible wds lol)
Would I be best to start at 1mg or 2mg? And should I wait 24 hours or 36 after my last pod dose? I shouldn't have any break through wds considering I only use 6-8 a day right?

I'm reading stories about people getting break through wds and I'm hoping my habit is light enough right now to avoid that. Sorry this is my first time using bupe thanks guys.
 
from what ive read wait 24 to 36 hours. ive done 3 pods a day and wd was awful. also pod tea stays in your system longer (it seems to me anyway) than most opiates. someone once projected it was due to the large amount of alkaloids that sit in line waiting to be processed, makes sense to me. post it in a bupe thread, too. ive never used bupe to get off anything else, i just used it when i was using tramadol for my back pain.
 
Not sure if this belongs in my thread in TDS or here, but I've reached an impasse. I've made several half-hearted attempts to quit in the past, all the while knowing that I wasn't 100% set on quitting. In the past I've broken down and ordered another box of pods when my supply started dwindling, but this time I can't afford to. I'm staring into my once bountiful box of pods and I have eight left. Maybe less because one or two of the pods is probably moldy inside. Right now it takes three pods every other day to catch a light buzz and avoid withdrawals. Right now I'm having an internal debate on what to do with those last pods; use them to quickly do a taper over the next couple of weeks, or make myself a big cup of tea tonight and try to catch a nod.

I've been drinking poppy tea for two years now. Over the last four months, my longest break has probably been four days. I feel pathetic. I've been ducking my friends and not progressing toward my goals because I relied too heavily on poppy tea. Right now I feel listless; there's things I should be doing right now but I'm trying to push them out of my mind so I don't have to think about them. It's a few hours before I would normally drink my tea and I can feel the predictable symptoms start. I don't think my withdrawals will be too bad physically, but the mental effects are what I really don't want to face. The emptiness, lack of motivation, feeling like I'm going to burst into tears. I need to get my act together fast. Hopefully one day I'll be able to look back on this and laugh!
 
Not sure if this belongs in my thread in TDS or here, but I've reached an impasse. I've made several half-hearted attempts to quit in the past, all the while knowing that I wasn't 100% set on quitting. In the past I've broken down and ordered another box of pods when my supply started dwindling, but this time I can't afford to. I'm staring into my once bountiful box of pods and I have eight left. Maybe less because one or two of the pods is probably moldy inside. Right now it takes three pods every other day to catch a light buzz and avoid withdrawals. Right now I'm having an internal debate on what to do with those last pods; use them to quickly do a taper over the next couple of weeks, or make myself a big cup of tea tonight and try to catch a nod.

I've been drinking poppy tea for two years now. Over the last four months, my longest break has probably been four days. I feel pathetic. I've been ducking my friends and not progressing toward my goals because I relied too heavily on poppy tea. Right now I feel listless; there's things I should be doing right now but I'm trying to push them out of my mind so I don't have to think about them. It's a few hours before I would normally drink my tea and I can feel the predictable symptoms start. I don't think my withdrawals will be too bad physically, but the mental effects are what I really don't want to face. The emptiness, lack of motivation, feeling like I'm going to burst into tears. I need to get my act together fast. Hopefully one day I'll be able to look back on this and laugh!

Haha CHILL bro seriously we ALL get like that its completely normal, ESPECIALLY with pods.
Anytime you face an involuntary force that is forcing you to quit (money) you will naturally get worried, your brain is scared, and it will drive itself crazy to manipulate you into getting any kind of opiate you can.
If you have 8 pods left I HATE to say this, that was really not a smart decision.

If you have never WD before, WD now will pay off NOT just for the reason of getting off pods, but for the reason of ALWAYS having a "plan".
A lot of vet poppy users have a "plan". If I ever knew I was running down on funds, my last $80 would be reserved for a taper.

If you spent your last $80, there isn't a lot you can do. Especially if you are broke. I would seriously fake a case of the flu for the next week, theres nothing I can think of other then that then getting some money together anyway you know how. Sell something if you must on ebay. But you can't wait till your down to 8 pods to start getting worried, thats your real problem and thats the ONLY real reason you feel like shit right now.
Your friends aren't out there doing a whole hell lot of different things with their life. Prob just working like everyone else and with economic times like this the last thing you need to do is get down on yourself.

I have ALWAYS kept an emergency supply of tramadol for emergency wd situations. The one time I had to use them, they didn't even do much, so I wound up getting some cash together and getting 50 more pods, then my long term money situation got better so naturally I just kept using.

But I recently just got a bottle of subs that I am saving if I ever find myself in your situation. WD is bad yes, but wd is not half as bad when you voluntarily choose it. When it happens w/out your choice, you will tend to freak out and lose your mind, its something weird I've noticed about poppies.
If I go into wds under my own doing, the wds are never as bad then if it happened accidentally. You NEED a plan. Any poppy user who is hooked right now NEEDS A PLAN to avoid a situation like that. And there is SO MANY ways to avoid it. For $30 pick up a few ozs of Kratom. Kratom does an excellent job mediating wds you could have spent your last $30 on natures suboxone (kratom lol).

The emotions your feeling ONLY really get unbearable if you have to go through your normal everyday life with them. I'd either find a way to get some money together, or start calling out of school and work now sick with the flu. Thats just what I would do. But whatever you do, DO NOT be hard on yourself like you are now. You are claiming too much responsibility for what very well could be a disease (lots of people argue addiction is a disease) and there is NO valid reason to get down on yourself about it.
Nobody wants to wd, its not fun, but one thing you will see is once you get through it.. its really not that tough at all. Getting off opiate compared to getting off speed I consider easy breezing, yeh speeds not even physically addictive but when you talk about mind games and depression, opium wds are a walk in the park in comparion, even a bad habit imo.

Do what ever you can to fix yourself first, then develop a plan, and USE IT when the time comes. Because as poppy addicts soon learn, the time always usually does come at some point.
 
from what ive read wait 24 to 36 hours. ive done 3 pods a day and wd was awful. also pod tea stays in your system longer (it seems to me anyway) than most opiates. someone once projected it was due to the large amount of alkaloids that sit in line waiting to be processed, makes sense to me. post it in a bupe thread, too. ive never used bupe to get off anything else, i just used it when i was using tramadol for my back pain.

Yeh I think for some reason morphine must just really suck at withdrawing from.
Because logically speaking, 3 pods is equal to 18-24mg of morphine. I wouldn't feel a thing from 3 pods.
But your body will ABSOLUTELY FEEL when those 3 pods are out of your system. Thats kinda whats bullshit about pods.

I can do 5 pods, not get high at all, but still face awful wds from it. At least let me get high first so the wds can be somewhat worth it. Well whatever the case I'm just gonna reschedule.
I had a few pods left I was saving but I can't find the will to pop a sub unless I empty my supply first. Once I'm on sub I'm gonna be fvcked for getting high for a while, so I might as well just use these last few.
I'll start withdrawing tommorow and then I'll take my first sub ever tommorow night. Really hope I don't get any precipitated wds.
I would way till the following day to do the sub, but I have a huge job all day and it will be my first time using subs.
If I'm nodding out at work I can die lol, so I can't take my first sub right before doing to work.
So I'll do it tommorow night, if I get sick at all hopefully the bupe will kick in a few hours after so I'm good for the morning at least. I hate trying new opiates that have shady track records like bupe.
I have never got nautious nor had a headache in my life on pods, but it seems to be very common for sub users.. oh well, guess we'll see how it goes
 
I have been on clonazepam for 28 years.....I know...long time. Anxiety problems. Can't count the amount of times I've tried to go off them. They are wicked when it comes to WD. Used to abuse them, but now I take what I need to help with anxiety which is .5 mg twice a day.
Yes...BollWeevil...Told my Doc that they were opium poppies. I had to be really honest with him because the headaches from the Lyme's is nothing to fool around with. He's homeopathic and and M.D. First doctor that really listened and understood what I was going through. I do whatever it takes when it comes to pain.......

Thats actually kind of funny.
At one point 3 years ago I was going through wds because I was still an idiot the way I used pods. I had been sleeping for about 4 days straight (this was when I lived at home) and my mom thought something was seriously wrong with me besides just having a cold.
She takes me to the doc to get blood tests. I'm wding my ass off so I'm nervous they're gonna give me a drug test.

Long story short I test positive for lymes disease, had no idea I had it. I made it through the wds ONLY cause I had lymes and had an excuse to be in bed. When the wds wore off I felt great. Went back and got retested, still had the lymes. Eventually the lymes hit me and I started sleeping AGAIN, but this time because of the lymes, getting freaky nerve/sensory problems too.

But I guess they caught the lymes soon enough because I went away within a few weeks later. In a very odd way though, that was prob the most convenient time I could ever catch a case of lymes disease. So weird how life works out sometimes.. had no idea I even had the shit.
 
That totally depends on the pods...

Yeh but aren't pods being bred for thebaine now and lower morphine? Looking at how old that estimate is I would expect it to be lower if anything.

But another part of me knows what 120mg of morphine feels like (nothing) and thinks the avg pod could easily have 20-30mg each. Just judging on what pods feel like and what morphine feels like... so yeh it depends.

I do also think though the majority of people get shitty pods and only 10% of poppy users really know who's selling the "quality" stuff. One of these days I will figure out a way to test them so we know for good. I'll sell it on ebay too.. "pod home testing kit" nothing fancy lol
 
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