Wow there's been a lot of interesting conversation going on here since the last time I checked in (fucking internet wasn't working right).
One thing that I sort of wish I could do is try regular ol' morphine to try and compare a dosage to one of my dosages of poppy tea. As it stands right now, I have absolutely no way of knowing how potent my pods are and have no experience with pharms (with the exception of 15mg of oxycodone for my FIRST opiate experience). Bojangles I would buy your home testing kit, lol.
Dude I can relate! I've been using the tea for 18 months - I've "quit" 3 times, and it was always due to external circumstances. One time I got a bad batch of pods (they made me ill, we're talking shitting/puking shivering omg it was so bad) and after getting sick from them 3 times I gave up and faced the withdrawals. I was clean for a week
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
The other two times I managed to lose my funds/job and had to quit to get a new job. The first time I happened to have a large box of poppies arrive 2 days after I lost my job. I detoxed from the pods but I kept on cheating - I couldn't help it I had these fucking awesome pods right in front of me the entire time! It was a long drawn out and painful withdrawal.
The 3rd withdrawal was the most recent and also the most painful because of 4 things 1) I got fired from my job in a most embarrassing manner , 2) My car broke down the same day when I went out to get some job applications, and 3) I had some considerable dental issues that I had been putting off for like a year and when I stopped the poppy tea I was suddenly aware of considerable jaw pain, and finally 4) I had been using for a year at this point. Oh my god man it was hell on earth!! I was already on my 2nd day of withdrawal when I got fired and I had maybe 1/4 box of pods. After I pushed my car down the street to a mechanic
I went home and lay down in bed and tried to read a book. I was all fueled up on adrenaline and wasn't feeling the withdrawals that badly yet - they hit immediatly after I stopped moving around. I had a tiny dose left in the fridge and I took it because I was wigging out. It eased my suffering but didn't kill the withdrawals.
Basically I went cold turkey with the exception of some loperamide and threw in a one day relapse in there somewhere (barely set me back). I got through it though - it was hell because it was entirely against my will and because I was seriously stressing about getting a new job to fix my car and my teeth. I remember going to job interviews with a fucking toothache and a headache, sweating and yawning every 2 seconds. I chain smoked cigarettes like a mofo because I didn't know what else to do. On the first couple of days I would get out of bed at like 7AM and shower because I just couldn't sleep (I was used to sleeping till like 10PM lol). After several nights of complete insomnia I started to fall asleep for a few hours but would always wake up in the middle of the night. It was easily the worst time of my life and I'll count myself lucky if I never fall that far down again.
It's best to quit on your own terms man - with pods I honestly suggest tapering. It's the best thing that you can do for yourself and it will keep you functional. If I ran out of money to buy pods (and I sorta am right now) I would make damn sure that I have at least 10 - 15 poppies left so that I can stabilize myself before trying to jump off. It sounds like your habit isn't too terrible - you can catch a slight buzz every other day on just 3 pods! Personally it's been taking me an average of 4 mediums per day to keep myself comfy, and that's with some time spent in mild withdrawal. I usually dose once in the morning (before work) and once in the evening a few hours before bed. Last night I skipped my evening dose because the withdrawals were just starting - brother I woke up this morning feeling horrid. Hot and cold flashes, painful legs/knees, constant yawning and stretching. It's been 4 days since I last got high and I was fiending man, everytime I let myself get really sick my cravings go through the roof. I drank about half of a 3 pod tea and I feel good to go now!! I've managed to cut my dose a little bit already. And I'll you what, going from as sick as I was to just normal is a high in and of itself! The relief is incredible, I can think straight again :D
Keep us posted man if you should actually withdrawal (though if you're like me you'll probably find a way to get another box
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See I would agree with you that it's all the alkaloids that cause the long duration but there's one hole in this theory. I'm pretty sure that the guy who created the first poppytea megathread said that there was something strange about pod tea. Even taking opium orally only lasts about 8 hours - opium contains all of the alkaloids and yet there isn't THAT long of a duration.
It's quite the mystery really...
Interesting.... 120 mg of morphine doesn't feel like much? I can believe it because of it's poor oral BA, only something like 1/3 of the morphine actually makes it through the digestive tract unscathed. How much morphine does it take for the average opiate naive person to feel it? It seems that 10mg of heroin IV might be a starters dose so I guess like 15mg - 20mg of IV morphine might do the trick. So that would be like 60mg - 70mg of morphine orally, right? I could imagine that the pods I use would be delivering at least that much morphine, I remember a time when 5 medium quality pods used to get me good and high after a long break. This is all speculation but if my tolerance was low (or was at the time, at least
) and 5 pods got me really feeling good, maybe each of my medium pods has/had something like 7mg - 10mg of morphine? That would mean that it takes me at least 10mg - 15mg of morphine to hold me over too.... hmm.... We're also talking about pretty small poppies, I think that 10 pods only grinds up to about a half cup of poppy straw.
It's fun to think about but who the fuck really knows lol. I remember Rachamim was a pretty smart guy who had a lot of experience with cultivating poppies and had a history of serious Heroin abuse and was stuck on methadone. He said that poppy tea was "an easy withdrawal" because all commercially harvested pods are not harvested at the peak time for morphine content - they're usually harvested after they are dead in the ground. He said that a ton of the morphine degrades before we even get the pods, and went on to further suggest that the water extraction poorly removes the morphine. Combine that with 1/3 BA and he says that the amounts of morphine are fucking meager and that only an opiate naive person could possibly get much effects.
His point was bitterly argued against by practically all of the people who drank poppy tea. Even I (who at the time was only a couple of months into addiction and using very crappy pods) thought that his estimates were far too low. He may have been an educated and informed source but nothing can convince me that I'm having such severe withdrawals from like 5mg of morphine, lol. If I can find the thread I'll link it, it was very interesting! I hope we didn't lose it when we cleaned houes and deleted some old threads.
