Opioids Ultimate Poppy Pod/Seed Tea Mega Merged Thread III

[Pegasus]

Yeh but aren't pods being bred for thebaine now and lower morphine? Looking at how old that estimate is I would expect it to be lower if anything.

But another part of me knows what 120mg of morphine feels like (nothing) and thinks the avg pod could easily have 20-30mg each. Just judging on what pods feel like and what morphine feels like... so yeh it depends.

I do also think though the majority of people get shitty pods and only 10% of poppy users really know who's selling the "quality" stuff. One of these days I will figure out a way to test them so we know for good. I'll sell it on ebay too.. "pod home testing kit" nothing fancy lol

Lol, I think the best tester is the body!

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[Bojangles69]

Lol, I think the best tester is the body!

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Thats a good point.
I guarantee there are some hardass poppy users out there you can prob guess within 20mg everytime what the morphine content is.

I have a friend who can smell oak wood in wine (apparently some wines are made in oak or something) have no idea how he does it but hes always right. That is however extremely different from guessing actual doses haha...

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Thats a good point.
I guarantee there are some hardass poppy users out there you can prob guess within 20mg everytime what the morphine content is.

I have a friend who can smell oak wood in wine (apparently some wines are made in oak or something) have no idea how he does it but hes always right. That is however extremely different from guessing actual doses haha...

When testing drugs similar to stimulants they use people who have been trained to differentiate between placebo and amphetamines.

I'm sure if some one was trained enough to guess opioid content relative euphoria/analgesia, they could get pretty close.

 

[QuasiStoned]

Wow there's been a lot of interesting conversation going on here since the last time I checked in (fucking internet wasn't working right).

One thing that I sort of wish I could do is try regular ol' morphine to try and compare a dosage to one of my dosages of poppy tea. As it stands right now, I have absolutely no way of knowing how potent my pods are and have no experience with pharms (with the exception of 15mg of oxycodone for my FIRST opiate experience). Bojangles I would buy your home testing kit, lol.

Not sure if this belongs in my thread in TDS or here, but I've reached an impasse. I've made several half-hearted attempts to quit in the past, all the while knowing that I wasn't 100% set on quitting. In the past I've broken down and ordered another box of pods when my supply started dwindling, but this time I can't afford to. I'm staring into my once bountiful box of pods and I have eight left. Maybe less because one or two of the pods is probably moldy inside. Right now it takes three pods every other day to catch a light buzz and avoid withdrawals. Right now I'm having an internal debate on what to do with those last pods; use them to quickly do a taper over the next couple of weeks, or make myself a big cup of tea tonight and try to catch a nod.

I've been drinking poppy tea for two years now. Over the last four months, my longest break has probably been four days. I feel pathetic. I've been ducking my friends and not progressing toward my goals because I relied too heavily on poppy tea. Right now I feel listless; there's things I should be doing right now but I'm trying to push them out of my mind so I don't have to think about them. It's a few hours before I would normally drink my tea and I can feel the predictable symptoms start. I don't think my withdrawals will be too bad physically, but the mental effects are what I really don't want to face. The emptiness, lack of motivation, feeling like I'm going to burst into tears. I need to get my act together fast. Hopefully one day I'll be able to look back on this and laugh!

Dude I can relate! I've been using the tea for 18 months - I've "quit" 3 times, and it was always due to external circumstances. One time I got a bad batch of pods (they made me ill, we're talking shitting/puking shivering omg it was so bad) and after getting sick from them 3 times I gave up and faced the withdrawals. I was clean for a week The other two times I managed to lose my funds/job and had to quit to get a new job. The first time I happened to have a large box of poppies arrive 2 days after I lost my job. I detoxed from the pods but I kept on cheating - I couldn't help it I had these fucking awesome pods right in front of me the entire time! It was a long drawn out and painful withdrawal.

The 3rd withdrawal was the most recent and also the most painful because of 4 things 1) I got fired from my job in a most embarrassing manner , 2) My car broke down the same day when I went out to get some job applications, and 3) I had some considerable dental issues that I had been putting off for like a year and when I stopped the poppy tea I was suddenly aware of considerable jaw pain, and finally 4) I had been using for a year at this point. Oh my god man it was hell on earth!! I was already on my 2nd day of withdrawal when I got fired and I had maybe 1/4 box of pods. After I pushed my car down the street to a mechanic I went home and lay down in bed and tried to read a book. I was all fueled up on adrenaline and wasn't feeling the withdrawals that badly yet - they hit immediatly after I stopped moving around. I had a tiny dose left in the fridge and I took it because I was wigging out. It eased my suffering but didn't kill the withdrawals.

Basically I went cold turkey with the exception of some loperamide and threw in a one day relapse in there somewhere (barely set me back). I got through it though - it was hell because it was entirely against my will and because I was seriously stressing about getting a new job to fix my car and my teeth. I remember going to job interviews with a fucking toothache and a headache, sweating and yawning every 2 seconds. I chain smoked cigarettes like a mofo because I didn't know what else to do. On the first couple of days I would get out of bed at like 7AM and shower because I just couldn't sleep (I was used to sleeping till like 10PM lol). After several nights of complete insomnia I started to fall asleep for a few hours but would always wake up in the middle of the night. It was easily the worst time of my life and I'll count myself lucky if I never fall that far down again.

It's best to quit on your own terms man - with pods I honestly suggest tapering. It's the best thing that you can do for yourself and it will keep you functional. If I ran out of money to buy pods (and I sorta am right now) I would make damn sure that I have at least 10 - 15 poppies left so that I can stabilize myself before trying to jump off. It sounds like your habit isn't too terrible - you can catch a slight buzz every other day on just 3 pods! Personally it's been taking me an average of 4 mediums per day to keep myself comfy, and that's with some time spent in mild withdrawal. I usually dose once in the morning (before work) and once in the evening a few hours before bed. Last night I skipped my evening dose because the withdrawals were just starting - brother I woke up this morning feeling horrid. Hot and cold flashes, painful legs/knees, constant yawning and stretching. It's been 4 days since I last got high and I was fiending man, everytime I let myself get really sick my cravings go through the roof. I drank about half of a 3 pod tea and I feel good to go now!! I've managed to cut my dose a little bit already. And I'll you what, going from as sick as I was to just normal is a high in and of itself! The relief is incredible, I can think straight again :D

Keep us posted man if you should actually withdrawal (though if you're like me you'll probably find a way to get another box )

from what ive read wait 24 to 36 hours. ive done 3 pods a day and wd was awful. also pod tea stays in your system longer (it seems to me anyway) than most opiates. someone once projected it was due to the large amount of alkaloids that sit in line waiting to be processed, makes sense to me. post it in a bupe thread, too. ive never used bupe to get off anything else, i just used it when i was using tramadol for my back pain.

See I would agree with you that it's all the alkaloids that cause the long duration but there's one hole in this theory. I'm pretty sure that the guy who created the first poppytea megathread said that there was something strange about pod tea. Even taking opium orally only lasts about 8 hours - opium contains all of the alkaloids and yet there isn't THAT long of a duration.

It's quite the mystery really...

Yeh but aren't pods being bred for thebaine now and lower morphine? Looking at how old that estimate is I would expect it to be lower if anything.

But another part of me knows what 120mg of morphine feels like (nothing) and thinks the avg pod could easily have 20-30mg each. Just judging on what pods feel like and what morphine feels like... so yeh it depends.

I do also think though the majority of people get shitty pods and only 10% of poppy users really know who's selling the "quality" stuff. One of these days I will figure out a way to test them so we know for good. I'll sell it on ebay too.. "pod home testing kit" nothing fancy lol

Interesting.... 120 mg of morphine doesn't feel like much? I can believe it because of it's poor oral BA, only something like 1/3 of the morphine actually makes it through the digestive tract unscathed. How much morphine does it take for the average opiate naive person to feel it? It seems that 10mg of heroin IV might be a starters dose so I guess like 15mg - 20mg of IV morphine might do the trick. So that would be like 60mg - 70mg of morphine orally, right? I could imagine that the pods I use would be delivering at least that much morphine, I remember a time when 5 medium quality pods used to get me good and high after a long break. This is all speculation but if my tolerance was low (or was at the time, at least ) and 5 pods got me really feeling good, maybe each of my medium pods has/had something like 7mg - 10mg of morphine? That would mean that it takes me at least 10mg - 15mg of morphine to hold me over too.... hmm.... We're also talking about pretty small poppies, I think that 10 pods only grinds up to about a half cup of poppy straw.

It's fun to think about but who the fuck really knows lol. I remember Rachamim was a pretty smart guy who had a lot of experience with cultivating poppies and had a history of serious Heroin abuse and was stuck on methadone. He said that poppy tea was "an easy withdrawal" because all commercially harvested pods are not harvested at the peak time for morphine content - they're usually harvested after they are dead in the ground. He said that a ton of the morphine degrades before we even get the pods, and went on to further suggest that the water extraction poorly removes the morphine. Combine that with 1/3 BA and he says that the amounts of morphine are fucking meager and that only an opiate naive person could possibly get much effects.

His point was bitterly argued against by practically all of the people who drank poppy tea. Even I (who at the time was only a couple of months into addiction and using very crappy pods) thought that his estimates were far too low. He may have been an educated and informed source but nothing can convince me that I'm having such severe withdrawals from like 5mg of morphine, lol. If I can find the thread I'll link it, it was very interesting! I hope we didn't lose it when we cleaned houes and deleted some old threads.

 

[qwe]

How to Potentiate?
Cimetidine (Tagamet) and grapefruit juice are usually mentioned as good potentiators. They seem to make little difference when plugging, probably because drugs absorbed through the colon are only partially subject to first-pass metabolism in any case. Even when poppies are consumed orally, the potentiation is not likely to be more than 10% or so. Worth a try, but don't get your hopes up.

i just want to bring up a lil story related to this, as a warning

i uesd poppies daily for a few years. for cost effectiveness, i used tagamet, getting to three pills (600mg) per poppy dose (aka over a gram of cimetidine a day often)

later, i went to the methadone clinic. no matter how high they raised my dose, the methadone would not last all day. at first, ~25mg, i even got high, but then it wore off around T+12 hr. after a few months i no longer got high on it, so thence forth it was just for mainenance. they kept wanting to raise the dose because it was not lasting. i got up to 100mg and finally said fuck it, they cant prescribe 2x daily dosing because of how bureacratic the clinics are, and i knew all along i need an opiate twice a day because apparently my liver goes through opiates really fast

so i switched to sub, which i take 2x a day. i talked to my sub doctor. the clinic nurse (nurses tend to not know much IME....) said liver enzymes don't up/downregulate and change. my sub doctor says they do (of course they do, it's an equilibrium complex system in the body, and it's easy to see why up and down regulation would be needed in the gut). so, my theory (confirmed by doc) is that taking that much cimetidine for that long caused my liver enzymes (that break down opiates) to become upregulated. cost effectiveness *denied*

so now my liver is killing off happy chemicals, both endogenous and exogenous. i'm a tough guy though

go easy on the tagamet guys

Because logically speaking, 3 pods is equal to 18-24mg of morphine

ummmm... what size pods? strain? vendor? season? grower? region? 3 pods is NOT equal to 20mg morphine. and the dose connection can't be made simply in any case, because all the other alkaloids effect both the high and especially the metabolism (otherwise the morphine in the pods would only last 4hr right?) so with all those alkaloids, i think pods probably vary from person to person more than most opiates

 

[qwe]

See I would agree with you that it's all the alkaloids that cause the long duration but there's one hole in this theory. I'm pretty sure that the guy who created the first poppytea megathread said that there was something strange about pod tea. Even taking opium orally only lasts about 8 hours - opium contains all of the alkaloids and yet there isn't THAT long of a duration.

there's no hole. opium doesnt last as long because you smoke it. but opium still lasts longer than pure morphine because of the alkaloids

 

[QuasiStoned]

^^^
Note that in my post I wasn't referring to smoked opium, he orally ingested the opium and still noted an 8 - 9 hour duration. I can probably dig up a link if I sift through the old megathread...

*edit*
The opium may last longer orally than regular morphine, but it still doesn't come close to the 24+ hour duration of poppy tea.

 

[dorkchop]

quick question:

I'm going to see a "wellness" doctor today, basically an alternative medicine-type doctor who focuses on general wellness / health. They do a lot with your diet to make you healthy.

I eat pod grounds daily; 4 tablespoons in the morning, and sometimes a couple more at night.

Should I tell this doctor? pros? cons?

Thanks!

 

[qwe]

^during my years of pod use i often wondered if i was getting any calories or if there was any nutritional facts about the plant. i never found any info so if anybody knows anything about nutrition and pods, don't keep your mouth shut. it's a great question when you consider how many grams of plant matter you're sending through your body a day

^^^
Note that in my post I wasn't referring to smoked opium, he orally ingested the opium and still noted an 8 - 9 hour duration. I can probably dig up a link if I sift through the old megathread...

*edit*
The opium may last longer orally than regular morphine, but it still doesn't come close to the 24+ hour duration of poppy tea.

i still wouldn't call it a mystery. opium is the sap, pods are the dried husk. they are bound to have different amounts and ratios of alkaloids

appears (both from their relative potency, and duration) that opium would have a higher concentration of morphine compared to other alkaloids, so the pods are a lil weaker than opium but with a higher ratio of alkaloids

 

[QuasiStoned]

i still wouldn't call it a mystery.

Fine, then we'll call it an enigma j/k

I dunno you could be right but I personally don't think there is that substantial of a difference between the alkaloids in the husk vs the sap to account for a duration that is like 4x or 5x longer. Also I was under the impression that the alkaloids in the pod husk are simply the remnants of the dried up opium so I didn't think the alkaloid ratios would be much different.

One difference between opium and commercial pods is that opium is collected with morphine content in mind (or at least should be) while poppy farmers probably harvest after the poppies are dead in the ground. The biological phase of the plant is what really matters the most. Alkaloidal content increases until Technical Ripeness, and then QUICKLY diminishes thereafter until, when dead on the stalk, it can be minimal. Opium *should* be collected at technical ripeness, and commercial poppies aren't likely to be harvested at this time because they're not grown for morphine content.

Even still, I'd be willing to bet if you gave me a couple of fresh poppies harvested at technical ripeness and made a tea with them, the end result would still be a very long duration. Therefore in my mind it will remain a mystery

Those are just my thoughts, I could well be wrong.

 

[qwe]

I personally don't think there is that substantial of a difference between the alkaloids in the husk vs the sap to account for a duration that is like 4x or 5x longer. Also I was under the impression that the alkaloids in the pod husk are simply the remnants of the dried up opium so I didn't think the alkaloid ratios would be much different.

well here's the thing. you use pods right? you know how much difference there is between the stem and the pod? between the node and the husk? between the husk and the slits? (the slits have the highest concentration in case you didn't know, if you want to use the more potent pods at a certain time, pick the ones with the huge flaps rather than small flaps) between the crown and the husk? if there can be that much difference between those (and there is) then just imagine how much difference there is between the dried poppy pod and a fresh poppy pod. then imagine the further difference between the pod plant-matter and the sap/liquid. just having that physical difference should allow them very different properties. and it would make sense to say that the husk would have less morphine compared to other alkaloids after it's been dried, and that the husk would also have less morphine-to-alkaloids in relation to the opium sap. thus explaining the fact that the pods last much longer but you must consume so much more mass (wasn't even expecting that perfect logical fit at the end there)

One difference between opium and commercial pods is that opium is collected with morphine content in mind (or at least should be) while poppy farmers probably harvest after the poppies are dead in the ground

Alkaloidal content increases until Technical Ripeness, and then QUICKLY diminishes thereafter until, when dead on the stalk, it can be minimal

these facts also support the hypothesis

this is all assuming that morphine is a little bit more delicate than the other alkaloids. well, not even so. statistically, half of those alkaloids will be less delicate than morphine and thus not decay as much as morphine during these processes. so, decay (eg the drying process) of non-morphine-alkaloids means even MORE decay of morphine, leading to a higher alkaloid-to-morphine ratio, leading to a longer duration

still think enigma?

 

[Pegasus]

I think the pods give an effect very similar to just morphine... Morphine plus a little something extra is how I view it. But to give an equivalency to morphine in mg is not very difficult IMO, so long as you are fairly experienced with both.

 

[qwe]

^of course, since morphine is the only alkaloid present in sufficient quantity for a buzz or high. pods vary way too much for a mg equivalency, unless you specify certain things. size would be the most important obviously

as for using the body as a test dummy, IF one has access to morphine pills (doubtful if they're buying quasi legal opiates) it'd be relatively easy to get an estimate of how many pods = mg morphine

 

[QuasiStoned]

well here's the thing. you use pods right? you know how much difference there is between the stem and the pod? between the node and the husk? between the husk and the slits? (the slits have the highest concentration in case you didn't know, if you want to use the more potent pods at a certain time, pick the ones with the huge flaps rather than small flaps) between the crown and the husk? if there can be that much difference between those (and there is) then just imagine how much difference there is between the dried poppy pod and a fresh poppy pod. then imagine the further difference between the pod plant-matter and the sap/liquid. just having that physical difference should allow them very different properties. and it would make sense to say that the husk would have less morphine compared to other alkaloids after it's been dried, and that the husk would also have less morphine-to-alkaloids in relation to the opium sap. thus explaining the fact that the pods last much longer but you must consume so much more mass (wasn't even expecting that perfect logical fit at the end there)

Okay I think I see where you're coming from.

still think enigma?

 

[DexterMeth]

I thought some of you would enjoy this: http://forum.poppies.org/index.php?showtopic=10089&st=0 ...it's a kitchen chemistry method for purifying tea more than just cooking off the water.

 

[qwe]

^i wish i read that before i got onto bupe. i always wanted to find a way to try it as a smokable

 

[QuasiStoned]

Thanks for sharing that DexterMeth. I'd saw a new user talking about some ice extraction method but no one knew wtf he was talking about and I don't think he elaborated.

Hopefully someone can give this a shot and share some of the results.

 

[Pegasus]

IF one has access to morphine pills (doubtful if they're buying quasi legal opiates)

Pods are cheap and give great effects. Taste the rainbow if it's available!

 

[Larson0]

pods and morphine pills dont compare. they are complete different drugs. yeah i know its morphine but a comparison cant be made. i can easily snort 150 mg oxycodone, easily eat a cup of ground up pods, take 70 mg methadone.

i never bothered with morphine cause i always had access to oxy or dope. a couple months ago i found a bottle of 15 mg morphine pills. i was crushing and shaving them up (huge pile of powder btw) and eventually had 10 broken up in a pile. i snorted a little and parachuted the rest and barely felt anything. i was also on a little xanax, dilaudid, and weed. i always smoke weed and am no stranger to xanax, or at least i wasn't at the time i took them. i personally think the bioavailability of the pills and pods is too different for someone to eat the 2 and be able to make a comparison. my normal dose of pods was about 1/2 cup and if i wanted to get wasted id do another 1/4-1/2. morphine pills were probably the worst opiate i've ever done btw. worst texture, taste, hard to crush, plus i only had 15 mg which meant filler out the ass.

its been awhile since i've posted in here. back in my daily pod days i'd read every post in this thread and every other one on bluelight waiting to catch a nod.
i've been taking methadone for a month or so now. i keep a steady dose for the msot part and smoke weed or take a little bit of a benzo if i want to nod.
since i've been on methadone my life has made a complete 180. i go out on weekends now, go to bars and drink, meet people, get pussy (first time in 18 months last week! good thing i was on methadone or she would have been pretty dissapointed!), i eat better and more regularly, sleeping habits changed, i have much more energy and motivation, etc.

i know that i may end up the way i was before, but i've been addicted to oxy, heroin, methadone, suboxone, and pods and pods made me the worst as a person by far. i never went out, stayed inside all day except for work, watched tv all the time and didn't do shit, slept like hell (5-6 am to 2 pm) i would go days without showering, barely ate, basically hated life and only lived to eat that disgusting dose of pods every night to hopefully catch a nod and go to sleep.

i still keep a box of pods around. i bought a big ass one the day i got on methadone thinking i would try to mix and match to lower my tolerance to one or something. my stomach got insanely fucked, which i assume was from the pod alkaloids leaving my body, so i just stuck with the methadone. i can get high on a lower dose of pods now than before, but i only really do it once a week or something. hell i even look better. the dark sunken in eyes seemed to get a little less purple (a little) and my stomach isn't bloated like it often was from pods. the only thing i can say sucks is that when i was on pods i took a shit every day. now on methadone its taking a few days and the last 2-3 have ripped my ass apart! literally....

definitely agree that you need a plan for withdrawal. everyone needs to experience it first one time though to know what it is. i remember my first wasn't shit, then i came off a big habit and was literally digging my thumbs into my eyes after experiencing restless legs in bed for the first time. after that i always remembered to have weed, benzos, and preferably suboxone, methadone, or pods around to hold me for 24 hours in case i should ever need. i've had a few times where i ran out of money or something and was fucked and it is not a fun place to be.

*edit* worst grammar ever.

 

[Pegasus]

pods and morphine pills dont compare. they are complete different drugs. yeah i know its morphine but a comparison cant be made.

No comparison can be made? Not even one that acknowledges that the effects are a bit different? The fact of the matter is that the effects from the pods are in large part due to the effects of the morphine in the pods, with other alkaloids contributing a minor amount to the overall effects. I don't see how you wouldn't be able to compare these drugs, since one really is just the other one minus a few alkaloids.