Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1
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Bought some tianeptine recently and tried - as a long term opiod user and current tramadol/kratom user, I found it really lacking.
Tried doses around 60, 80, and 100mg and really got nothing out of it. At first, I thought I felt a strong come up, but then nothing happened. Even after using tramadol for years, I get better results from 150mg of tramadol.
I have noticed that small doses, 12-24mg, taken concurrently with my daily kratom doses, do slightly increase the mood boost I get from kratom.
Tried doses around 60, 80, and 100mg and really got nothing out of it. At first, I thought I felt a strong come up, but then nothing happened. Even after using tramadol for years, I get better results from 150mg of tramadol.
I have noticed that small doses, 12-24mg, taken concurrently with my daily kratom doses, do slightly increase the mood boost I get from kratom.
ICDATTCWSM
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Hey man I am curious how you are doing and if you have been checking this thread at all lately. I have a solution for you to stop the tianeptine completely if you are still around I'd love to give you some advice that totally helped me. I know exactly what you are going through... That helpless feeling you have/had depending on where you are with your addiction at this point in time. I'd love to help you. Reply to this post if you are around. God is Great
Bigazznugz
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so if you are on methadone and stop taking tianeptine, will you still get withdraws?
ok, for myself - the sodium is great if dosed MUCH lower than you would think. 40 - 50mg of the sulfate will get me kinda jacked, anxious. Ive found optimal dosing to be 25 - 30mg morning, 10mg afternoon. It's smooth, still has some get up and go and has SUCH better legs than the sodium. The sodium feels so up and down to me it's kinda crazy - and as a recovering opiate/krat/everything addict I know when something makes me itchy, lasts 5 mins to an hour and has a pretty solid euphoria. odds are I'm going to want it. again and again and again.
What an entertaining thread. Clearly the guy isn't well...but some of you were rather callous in explicitly calling him "crazy". Granted, you guys weren't wrong .....but according to St Ignatius.....(joke). Still, some of you were rather silly in trying to argue with the guy (there is no winning that sort of argument).
I wonder what one would equate 5 grams of tianeptine to (in terms of opioid equivalency). With no recollection of ki values for the MOR for this compound, I'd guestimate 110mg of oxycodone....enough to produce full blown, relatively severe, opioid withdrawal. I am sure St. Ignatius would agree with me in that regard (hey...I never said I was above it, but you guys were a bit on the insensitive side).
I wonder what one would equate 5 grams of tianeptine to (in terms of opioid equivalency). With no recollection of ki values for the MOR for this compound, I'd guestimate 110mg of oxycodone....enough to produce full blown, relatively severe, opioid withdrawal. I am sure St. Ignatius would agree with me in that regard (hey...I never said I was above it, but you guys were a bit on the insensitive side).
I only want to use it for anti depressant effects. I've never had a problem with kratom use so is it any more or less addictive than that?
The only main issue comparing the two I can think of is that tianeptine being a powder is more easy to get huge active doses in whereas with kratom it has a built in safety mechanism being hard to chug down all that bitter material.
If the addictive side is to do with the dopamine effect Id be alot less concerned since Im alot more experienced with dopamine related drugs than opiate related ones. Never had issues curbing my use with the former. I am inexperienced with that latter though so am very cautious.
Since this fucking draconion blanket ban is coming to engulf us in april in the uk I feel an urgency to try the drugs on my list that I thought may have a therapeutic effect but I'd been putting off since they will bee alot harder to get if at all in few months. You could argue why try them at but if something helped a great deal then there would be some way I imagine. So I wanted to test them while they are easy to get to know if they are worth the effort when it becomes harder.
Anyhow back to topic. I know alot of hardcore abusers hangout on this forum and naturally they will say it's really addictive but that doesn't say much for the average fellow like myself who has an honest motivation to use it responsibly. Ie will it turn a mild mannered chap like myself into a ravenous street junky?
More specifically what stops you wanting to take more and more of the stuff each time?
The only main issue comparing the two I can think of is that tianeptine being a powder is more easy to get huge active doses in whereas with kratom it has a built in safety mechanism being hard to chug down all that bitter material.
If the addictive side is to do with the dopamine effect Id be alot less concerned since Im alot more experienced with dopamine related drugs than opiate related ones. Never had issues curbing my use with the former. I am inexperienced with that latter though so am very cautious.
Since this fucking draconion blanket ban is coming to engulf us in april in the uk I feel an urgency to try the drugs on my list that I thought may have a therapeutic effect but I'd been putting off since they will bee alot harder to get if at all in few months. You could argue why try them at but if something helped a great deal then there would be some way I imagine. So I wanted to test them while they are easy to get to know if they are worth the effort when it becomes harder.
Anyhow back to topic. I know alot of hardcore abusers hangout on this forum and naturally they will say it's really addictive but that doesn't say much for the average fellow like myself who has an honest motivation to use it responsibly. Ie will it turn a mild mannered chap like myself into a ravenous street junky?
More specifically what stops you wanting to take more and more of the stuff each time?
I bought another gram this week but I read up on some addiction stories which freaked me out again and I just threw it away before even taking one dose. I feel kind of stupid for doing this but the fear of the unknown overrides.
I feel so trapped most of the time since Im so paranoid and pessimistic that I am terrified to try any new substance for fear of the worst reports I read. but then when I vow to live a totally clean and spiritual life I just seem to fall deeper and deeper into the pit of depression and hopelessness.
What is a loser such as me to do? I need to ascertain if the risk is acceptable.
with kratom i was probably equally as terrified to try it but the swaying factor was I knew at worst if I did become addicted from other's reports it wouldnt be too bad. whereas with tianeptine it sounds like the ceiling does not stop and even been siad to be worse than heroin withdrawals.
I feel so trapped most of the time since Im so paranoid and pessimistic that I am terrified to try any new substance for fear of the worst reports I read. but then when I vow to live a totally clean and spiritual life I just seem to fall deeper and deeper into the pit of depression and hopelessness.
What is a loser such as me to do? I need to ascertain if the risk is acceptable.
with kratom i was probably equally as terrified to try it but the swaying factor was I knew at worst if I did become addicted from other's reports it wouldnt be too bad. whereas with tianeptine it sounds like the ceiling does not stop and even been siad to be worse than heroin withdrawals.
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Time between dosages and keeping the dosages low, like 12.5mg 3x a day.
Also, kanna and kratom work really well in combination for depression if you would like to give that a try. Ive been through kratom addiction and withdrawal, and i tapered very easily and only had a one or two days of slight discomfort. It is still an addiction though, so i understand if thats not where you wanna go with it
Also, kanna and kratom work really well in combination for depression if you would like to give that a try. Ive been through kratom addiction and withdrawal, and i tapered very easily and only had a one or two days of slight discomfort. It is still an addiction though, so i understand if thats not where you wanna go with it
I use kratom already one day on two days off. it is still a lifeline for me but it isnt really good for depression. it helps a bit but not much. i mean i still as pessimistic and anti social on it its just i guess i feel a bit more content. not like how serotonin evapourates such feelings.
i tried kanna quite a bit and while it is i agree a very powerful ssri it also had many undesirables . i hated the spacey almost trippy feeling it gave before the ssri effect got going and also it felt like there was wax or some liquid on my heart when i took it andgenerally a dirty toxic feeling. and also made me phlegmy for days after.
regarding the tianeptine dosing i get that but if you find it psycholgically compulsive then that goes out the window doesnt. the question is whether i would or not. i hear it isnt any more compusive than kratom i just worry about there not being a ceiling of effect like there is with kratom. and whether id just be tempted to want to 'just see' what a high dose might feel like and opening up a pandoras box. not that i am a compulsive person at all just the worry thoughts i have.
I'm w/ you bro been depressed anti social all that shit, have some T but been holdin off so far. Take subs everyday n haven't touched real opes in almost 4 yrs so it's tempting when I just want a mood lift or to feel better but I too got turned off on some reports I read ppl havin to wake up dosing every 5hour : /
that makes me feel a little better that i was not being totally paranoid however the depression persists so it feels rather like a rock and a hard place.
it would be great if there were other fast acting anti depressants like tianeptine but options seems very limited there. i was amazed of the therapeutic effects of kanna however could not beaar the annoying side effects.
I know everyone says ketamine is the big thing in this department. but i really hate things that shift your normal perception like that as i tried it in my younger days.
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Have you ever tried mushrooms or any psychedelic? I have a feeling low dose could really help you process your depression. You could do a full trip, but have someone you trust with you to talk you up in case you spiral down into depressive thoughts.
manboychef
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Have you exhausted all the non-medication options yet? Here is a small list.
1. exercise
2. talk therapy
3. meditation
4. creative arts
I have been depressed since I was a young child. Trying items on that list along with medication prescribed by a doctor has helped me to overcome some of the problems I have. It took me trying a few different meds before one worked well for me.
I was an opiate addicted for over fifteen years. I took it to deal with mental health issues but in the end it consumed me. This is a problem best left to a respected/trusted doctor. Be careful with self medicating...it can lead to really bad places if unchecked.
1. exercise
2. talk therapy
3. meditation
4. creative arts
I have been depressed since I was a young child. Trying items on that list along with medication prescribed by a doctor has helped me to overcome some of the problems I have. It took me trying a few different meds before one worked well for me.
I was an opiate addicted for over fifteen years. I took it to deal with mental health issues but in the end it consumed me. This is a problem best left to a respected/trusted doctor. Be careful with self medicating...it can lead to really bad places if unchecked.
The fact that youre worried about becoming addicted should tell you something in the first place. So just dont do it.
Also, manboychef has a good list, and i also want to second the opinion of taking mushrooms, even very low-dose mushroom trips (low enough that you dont actually trip) are very helpful for depression. I used .75g of mushrooms in a tea once when i was feeling very down and it left me feeling good for a solid 13 days. It was incredible
Also, manboychef has a good list, and i also want to second the opinion of taking mushrooms, even very low-dose mushroom trips (low enough that you dont actually trip) are very helpful for depression. I used .75g of mushrooms in a tea once when i was feeling very down and it left me feeling good for a solid 13 days. It was incredible
I would certainly not want to or except to but I was so afraid of the horror stories of withdrawal being as bad or worse than heroin that I was too scared to try it. Well I still have mind crushing depression so I have to try something and my parents are visiting soon which I always dread as it multiplies my depression by around 10 times while they are here and they tell me off for not being more socialiable which only tightens the mental vice like grip. I could not imagine myself becoming a 5-7 gram a day user like those guys who had horrible withdrawals were using but I always like to plan for worse cases. So say one did get addicted would kratom allow for a smooth recovery? If it works for heroin I guess it would work for this too?
Are you planning to get high on it? Because at the recommended 12.5 mg three times a day, it's doubtful that you'd have any meaningful opiate withdrawals. What you need to remember is that this is an anti-depressant as well, you get withdrawals from these too.