Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1

[brokedownpalace10]

Zaza is a "proprietary" blend with Tianeptine. So, you have no idea of dosage and I think you're getting other stuff in there, too.

Tianeptine, for me, resulted in a high which felt like a dirty Hydrocodone but began fading immediately after feeling it. It was going away as soon as it was coming on. I could see how someone would dose compulsively.

I only did it a couple times because I could see the pitfalls, but mostly because I read somewhere that taking it any period of time would jack your Kratom tolerance through the roof (permanently?) I do Kratom no more than once week and it's great for getting a tedious job done. I don't want to lose that.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Zaza is a "proprietary" blend with Tianeptine. So, you have no idea of dosage and I think you're getting other stuff in there, too.

Tianeptine, for me, resulted in a high which felt like a dirty Hydrocodone but began fading immediately after feeling it. It was going away as soon as it was coming on. I could see how someone would dose compulsively.

I only did it a couple times because I could see the pitfalls, but mostly because I read somewhere that taking it any period of time would jack your Kratom tolerance through the roof (permanently?) I do Kratom no more than once week and it's great for getting a tedious job done. I don't want to lose that.

Damn, I just had a vacation with 130mg of hydros last week & they bored me to tears. So if tianpetine is similar & even shorter acting, then maybe it's not even worth me trying it.


Apparently the only opioid that is enjoyable to me anymore is heroin. Although there's several I've never tried too (like hydromorph & oxymorph).

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Damn, I just had a vacation with 130mg of hydros last week & they bored me to tears. So if tianpetine is similar & even shorter acting, then maybe it's not even worth me trying it.


Apparently the only opioid that is enjoyable to me anymore is heroin. Although there's several I've never tried too (like hydromorph & oxymorph).

It was enjoyable and all but, yeah, even shorter lasting than Hydrocodone. It was the Sodium, and I bought the pure powder online. I gave what I had left away not wanting to screw up Kratom for myself.

 

[negrogesic]

Zaza is a "proprietary" blend with Tianeptine. So, you have no idea of dosage and I think you're getting other stuff in there, too.

Tianeptine, for me, resulted in a high which felt like a dirty Hydrocodone but began fading immediately after feeling it. It was going away as soon as it was coming on. I could see how someone would dose compulsively.

I only did it a couple times because I could see the pitfalls, but mostly because I read somewhere that taking it any period of time would jack your Kratom tolerance through the roof (permanently?) I do Kratom no more than once week and it's great for getting a tedious job done. I don't want to lose that.

Zaza doesn't show the dose of tianeptine, but the brand Tata does. It's listed at 73mg of tianeptine per capsule (doesn't say which salt but it is clearly tianeptine sodium).

Here's a picture of the label:



The thing is, I have a ton of experience with tianeptine (in pure powder form, including tianeptine sodium, sulfate, ethyl ester, and even the rare and highly potent 3-iodo tianeptine ethyl ester -- which is multiple times more potent than even tianeptine sodium and feels like an actual narcotic).

So from that experience with tianeptine I can say with certainty that the above pills don't contain 73mg of tianeptine sodium. More like 30mg. The Zaza red are stronger but inconsistent. In anycase, these smokeshop tianeptine brands are all stupid since they cost many times more than tianeptine sodium powder (which you can at least measure since you know what you have). For me, a good dose of high quality tianeptine is 500mg+, so a full bottle (15 pills) of the above pictured "TaTa" wasn't enough, since it definitely wasn't 500mg. Two bottles did get me pretty fucked up (for about 4 hours). It felt like maybe 800mg of tianeptine, but the price of those two bottles was more than 5 grams of pure tianeptine powder. So even if you don't buy powder tianeptine in bulk quantities, this smoke shop shit is at least 10 times more expensive. These rednecks maxing out credit cards, robbing houses and breaking into cars so that they can afford their $4,000/month smoke shop tianeptine habit could be paying $400/month if they simply did a google search (and even less when bought in bulk). That said, if these people did come access pure tianeptine, they'd probably measure it with spoons and develop outrageous habits. Its hard to develop a 5 gram a day tianeptine habit with smoke shop tianeptine, but with pure tianeptine powder.

I simply bought these product out of curiosity: to see what smoke shop tianeptine is like (how strong it is, ths quality of tianeptine being used etc). I had always figured Zaza etc was a southern/midwest thing, so when I saw it at a random local smoke shop I was shocked, and had to try it. Was even a little worried because I thought, oh shit, now I have tianeptine being sold a short drive away, and my addict ass will hear it calling my name (its alot easier to just impulsively drive down the street and buy some in a moment of stress rather than buy it online and wait a few days to get it). But the quality and potency of stuff like Zaza, Tata, Tianna etc was so low that it will be easy to avoid purchasing it. The consistency is also horrible, and tianeptine content varies wildly by bottle, with some being significantly stronger than others, so its a crap shoot. Not appealing to me, fortunately.

But it is beyond fucked up that some store owners give out free samples to hook people. If I came across someone like that I'd stand by their car waiting for their shift to end and have a *talk* with them about the practice. Its a predatory behavior, and it could derail someones life.


To preface, this Vice article is shock journalism, tianeptine isn't heroin, nor is the withdrawal as bad. That said, it is extremely addictive and the withdrawal is rough (but short and more forgiving than say oxycodone -- which tianeptine is like the baby version of):

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy3vvq/gas-station-heroin-tianeptine-zaza-pills

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Hydrocodone wears off within minutes of kicking in for me, or at least the enjoyable parts do, so if tianeptine's even shorter acting, then I might as well not even bother.


I was actually incredibly disappointed with my hydro vacation. Hydrocodone must not have any histamine release & probably doesn't attach to mu1 & mu2, cause heroin gets me itchy & blissful, but hydro just makes me a little sedated & blah. Hell even tramadol made me itch & nod.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Hydrocodone wears off within minutes of kicking in for me, or at least the enjoyable parts do, so if tianeptine's even shorter acting, then I might as well not even bother.


I was actually incredibly disappointed with my hydro vacation. Hydrocodone must not have any histamine release & probably doesn't attach to mu1 & mu2, cause heroin gets me itchy & blissful, but hydro just makes me a little sedated & blah. Hell even tramadol made me itch & nod.

I'm similar. Hydrocodone wears off in a couple hours, immediately if I eat. That's why chippying me with a low opioid tolerance actually prefers Tramadol. Poppy seeds are nice as well.
Ya, Tianeptine is even quicker. Hydro cruises for an hour or two, Tianeptine seems to start down right away. It can be a nice high, though.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I'm similar. Hydrocodone wears off in a couple hours, immediately if I eat. That's why chippying me with a low opioid tolerance actually prefers Tramadol. Poppy seeds are nice as well.
Ya, Tianeptine is even quicker. Hydro cruises for an hour or two, Tianeptine seems to start down right away. It can be a nice high, though.

Yeah hydros are suppose to have a duration of 4-6hrs technically, but the enjoyable parts seem to wear off after an hour, if not less.

I absolutely prefer tramadol over hydrocodone. 400mg of tramadol can get me just as itchy, noddy & feeling good as heroin (provided tolerance allows, with an actual heroin tolerance, tramadol becomes just another maintenance drug). The effects last for hours too. Plus trams have that stimulating feeling that makes me wanna clean & do shit. Only thing that sucks about trams is that you can't really re-dose later in the day once you've gotten up to 400mg, without risking a seizure.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Yeah hydros are suppose to have a duration of 4-6hrs technically, but the enjoyable parts seem to wear off after an hour, if not less.

I absolutely prefer tramadol over hydrocodone. 400mg of tramadol can get me just as itchy, noddy & feeling good as heroin (provided tolerance allows, with an actual heroin tolerance, tramadol becomes just another maintenance drug). The effects last for hours too. Plus trams have that stimulating feeling that makes me wanna clean & do shit. Only thing that sucks about trams is that you can't really re-dose later in the day once you've gotten up to 400mg, without risking a seizure.

Yup, Tramadol has an antidepressant effect, as you say, then the opioid buzz kicks in with some good legs.
I like taking one every hour or two until I reach 100/200mg. That'll get you through a days work and keep you buzzed all evening.
I'm an older guy, so my dosages of most all drugs are low (...Except pot , everyone says I'm a fiend there).

 

[eightsteps]

Its an opioid, fast acting. Like oxycodone-light.

It's also very short lasting and horribly addictive. Stick to kratom.

It's super fucked up that smoke shops are giving out "free samples" to get people hooked. I've heard of this practice before, with it resulting in full-blown tianeptine addiction.

Stick to kratom. I know from person experience how addictive tianeptine is.

Can you take tianeptine with Kratom? I’m a heavy Kratom user for over 10 years.

 

[meeer]

Can you take tianeptine with Kratom? I’m a heavy Kratom user for over 10 years.

No one will say you can safely do so, mixing CNS downers are always a tricky thing, and can be a deadly one but I'm no one if anyone to talk... I personally hate tianeptine, however its due to my personal reaction to it and magnesium and so fourth and keeping to certain dosages or under is never a certain solution to the issue and id honestly prefer to maintain sober than use it and that's harsh. Not that I don't go sober or use like crazy out of medical need.

Personally I got the worlds worse restless leg syndrome but worse, so much worse... without physical pain, it was otherwise agony. Every part of my body as id almost doze off to sleep would need to be stretched to a degree the human body is not capable of satisfying, every single time until you can fall asleep in a stress position essentially from exhaustion.

That being said on dosages under 100mg or on usually between 50-100 it was enough to nod ever so slightly on for maybe 40 minutes train ride to get my weed in the day, and almost avoid the possible issue, but was never a sure fire solution. I assume heavily doing 80mg at once fast release and slows of oxy pills and tonnes of other downers, before ever trying it despite not having a constant use of the substance at the time either, I'm sure all contributed to it not being such a stand out euphoric experience, but iv never known anyone to go after it unless its kind of last resort.

However most addictive users use very large dosages for the intense euphoria iv never had from it and the nod feels like a forced tired nod, not a dopamine drip so much, or at all tbh. (I am not endorsing this). Apologise, as i am not versed really at all in kratom and its usage as its not really a common or note worthy thing down here as of the moment not as it really been, although I'm sure it has its market. DO KNOW that the opiate or opiate like alkaloids in the kratom and its downer side is almost certain to be potentiated on tianeptine, dosages as high as 100mg with alcohol alone send people to complete black out beyond comprehension.

Its an opioid, fast acting. Like oxycodone-light.

It's also very short lasting and horribly addictive. Stick to kratom.

It's super fucked up that smoke shops are giving out "free samples" to get people hooked. I've heard of this practice before, with it resulting in full-blown tianeptine addiction.

Stick to kratom. I know from person experience how addictive tianeptine is.

First off all its and atypical tricyclic antidepressant, but it does have and take direct affect on the CNS and opiate system and is a heavy downer. I could totally see how one would come by it as a opioid, sold or otherwise.

Its prescribed here in Australia for a range of reason from drug abusers to sleep issues and so fourth I know its very common over here as a first step and possible long term treatment along side other meds for, bi polar and mental health issues of the sort, at here here. It comes in dosages around 12.5-25mg up to 300mg tablets, but can go lower. It has many brands and goes by many names but one well known is Seroquel, and in Australia at least did not or does not have a very high worth value at least street wise.

Finally it will potentiate most other inhibiting substances such as, opiates, benzos and alcohol namely, but most downers tbh.

 

[miltonjones]

Found a website that sells tia that can be snorted. Feel is much better than sodium or sulphate orally and dose needed is like 50mg so way less than is needed with all other forms. Plus i noticed that there is no shitty come down and I'm not getting the withdrawal like with other forms. Way more cost effective for me cuz i don't have to buy so many grams of sodium to get the same results. Has helped me cut my cost way way down off sodium and im it can't be good how much sodium i was doing before. I actually feel much better than i did.

 

[Littana]

Found a website that sells tia that can be snorted. Feel is much better than sodium or sulphate orally and dose needed is like 50mg so way less than is needed with all other forms. Plus i noticed that there is no shitty come down and I'm not getting the withdrawal like with other forms. Way more cost effective for me cuz i don't have to buy so many grams of sodium to get the same results. Has helped me cut my cost way way down off sodium and im it can't be good how much sodium i was doing before. I actually feel much better than i did.

that sounds really sketchy, pls be careful with em and preferably test em

 

[miltonjones]

that sounds really sketchy, pls be careful with em and preferably test em

Definitely tested. Its been like a godsend honestly. Sodium is the worst thing ever. Way too costly and coming down is rough. haven't had either of those issues anymore.

 

[CentipedeKarma]

My 2 Coins on this compound:

tried like, twice in proprietary blend forms/ZaZa capsules.
5 ZaZa Red capsules + Smoking weed gave me some very subtle but also intense euphoria, lasted about 3 hours total (comeup -> peak -> comedown).
Made me unable to orgasm for 3-5 days after binging a 15 (or was it 24??) capsule count bottle of ZaZa Red, and made me EXTREMELY itchy, especially in my groinal region. I scratched my dick raw while nodding off on that shit.
Also, sipping a 4loko on top of tia, with nicotine vape, made me spontaneously EXTREMELY nauseous and start sweating buckets. Be careful!

a 6/10 substance. I'd rather just get the pure sodium shit than go thru a proprietary blend.

it's funny, because i have tried phenibut in both proprietary and pure forms, and prefer the proprietary blended formulas ACTUALLY! (i cant control myself with pure phenibut, but "blended capsules" i CAN.) meanwhile with tia, i've only had "blended" capsule forms, and would rather try the pure form, but I know it could have drastic consequences considering... uh... my Benzo Plights :+/

 

[miltonjones]

Interesting.

Yeah it's true that the faster a drug hits, the more likely it is to be worthwhile.

Although drugs like extended release tramadol, methadone & buprenorphine are still somewhat enjoyable opioids (provided you have no tolerance), even though they take awhile to kick in.

So I guess I was thinking that even if it the sulfate is just a slower acting version, it should still tickle my opioid receptors & give me some effects, but unfortunately I felt nothing. The highest I went though was like 400mg. Maybe that wasn't enough though?

It could've also just been the quality from the vendor. But I went through a very reputable & well known nootropics vendor that was selling it at the time. I think it was like 70 dollars for a bottle of 50-60 75mg capsules or something like that. It was pretty damn expensive. But I'm rather curious about trying it again, especially the sodium, which sounds more pleasurable.


I'll have to keep looking around at the headshops here.

I'm also curious about trying isolated 7-OHM, as I've read that it's suppose to technically be a full agonist. But I could be wrong. But if it is, then maybe it would actually do something for me that kratom doesn't. But the prices on some of this shit are just outrageous. Like 25-50 bucks for barely a days worth of pills/extract. It's crazy & these companies are robbing the hell out of people & preying off their addiction/dependence. Man I wish cheap opioids were legally available to all adults. Just like people can walk into a liquor store & browse hundreds of different kinds of liquor, we need stores where people can try out all different kinds of opiates lolI

 

[miltonjones]

fast acting tia version i sniff from a website i found. doesn't burn me and im saving a bundle cuz the doses are so small and still hits hard. Has helped me taper way down off the sodium version.

 

[znb]

I am actually curious what this drug would do to me.

So I am weird. I tried fentanyl patches and in no form did they have any effect on me. For about 2 weeks straight I tried getting some effect. Nada. Same with it being injected at the hospital when I was injured. Hydromorphone did work. When swapping over from morphine ER 15 mg 2x a day to tramadol, I went into precipitated withdrawal. So that sucked.

I am insanely GABA sensitive. I have used one 75 mg pregabalin 2x a day to avoid withdrawal from 100+mg a day dose level of oxy. I cannot take it under any other circumstance.

Hell, most doctors can't put me under for very long the first time around. They never believe me when I tell them I will wake up. And then I do. My dentistry stories would give folks nightmares.

True SSRIs are something I can't take, (extreme rage) but me and 3 other women were all given some form of roofie and I walked away with a hangover. No one died, but no one else was as lucky as me and I get hit with most of it, (I drank the majority of the laced bottle without knowing.)

All this to say, I often wonder what certain drugs would do. This is one of those. Seems interesting.

Edit - Also, apparently all weed does, even the most potent stuff, gives my brain a static-y feeling. And vaguely queasy. Man I really wanted weed to work.

 

[znb]

Ok, so I got bored and tried a couple of capsules of the store bought stuff. (Not investing in a bulk powder if it does nothing.) It had been almost 24 hours since my last small kratom dose, about four 00 capsules of kratom.

In about 30 minutes pupils went down to next to nothing, but there is something else in this proprietary blend. Because of how my body reacts to certain things I know there is both something weed related and either tianeptine hits the GABA receptors or something in this blend does.

Not exactly pleasant. It took me out of mild kratom withdrawal, which is fine. I decided to try this instead of popping a tiny dose of pregabalin to avoid the symptoms. Eh. About the same with more buzzing.

Wonder if somehow they got a GABA reacting analog in this stuff. It would explain why people get hooked so hard. Pregabalin is a beast if it works for you. (Obviously for me it is self limiting.)

Hmph. Sucks. I was hoping to add something to the cabinet of pain relief.

 

[pnillyg]

My 2 Coins on this compound:

tried like, twice in proprietary blend forms/ZaZa capsules.
5 ZaZa Red capsules + Smoking weed gave me some very subtle but also intense euphoria, lasted about 3 hours total (comeup -> peak -> comedown).
Made me unable to orgasm for 3-5 days after binging a 15 (or was it 24??) capsule count bottle of ZaZa Red, and made me EXTREMELY itchy, especially in my groinal region. I scratched my dick raw while nodding off on that shit.
Also, sipping a 4loko on top of tia, with nicotine vape, made me spontaneously EXTREMELY nauseous and start sweating buckets. Be careful!

a 6/10 substance. I'd rather just get the pure sodium shit than go thru a proprietary blend.

it's funny, because i have tried phenibut in both proprietary and pure forms, and prefer the proprietary blended formulas ACTUALLY! (i cant control myself with pure phenibut, but "blended capsules" i CAN.) meanwhile with tia, i've only had "blended" capsule forms, and would rather try the pure form, but I know it could have drastic consequences considering... uh... my Benzo Plights :+/

is your tolorence super high? just curious because i was just given both blends of the ZaZa and im super curious. im very experinced with opiates as well as fairly experienced with kratom. right now my kratom dose is 3-4gs of raw powder and that gets me totally right. a month ago i was at 500mgs of Oxy so my tolorence has gone down tremendously. all that being said how many of the ZaZa capsules would you suggest starting with? or should i try to get my hands on some actual raw tianeptine powder?

 

[Ren+ Boy]

I'm similar. Hydrocodone wears off in a couple hours, immediately if I eat. That's why chippying me with a low opioid tolerance actually prefers Tramadol. Poppy seeds are nice as well.
Ya, Tianeptine is even quicker. Hydro cruises for an hour or two, Tianeptine seems to start down right away. It can be a nice high, though.

I've noticed a P.S shortage have you been able to locate them ok?