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This hasn't been a totally happy experience for me. First time 100 mg oral, no alcohol or anything else, didn't quite hit the spot . 2nd time two weeks bumped to 115 and was totally trashed. I don't actually like feeling that trashed. Then after 5 1/2 hours I thought it had worn off , that is what i get out of 6 apb, so took 50mg . Not only did I feel totally trashed again, I felt incredibly nauseous although i didn't actually vomit. I went and hid in the toilet of the club for about an hour a until I felt capable of going home. I had no trouble sleeping though , in fact that was almost all I did for the next 24 hours. 3rd time took 6-apb and then topped up slightly with 5 mapb after 5 1/2 hours, felt nausea again, although not as bad. I've always been pretty moderate , don't drink, really haven't liked any drug except MDMA , which I loved !! Until 6 apb which I found, while not as good as MDMA, was really pleasant and really easy to control. Today is a sad day :( I have to wonder if 6 apb is a victim of the adverse results on 5 mapb.
 
That's correct, SSRIs will block most of the effects of serotonin releasing drugs.
 
Hey! I took it tonight. Staggered 100mg over several hours.

Railed/Gummed.

Very nice! SSRI didn't seem to interfere much. I think because I take such a low dose every few days.

Feel very good. Calm buzz. Slightly sledgy at first.

Curious as to how the comedown will treat me.
 
Want a good reason to keep it to once a month dosing? Well the APB derivatives (don't know about the apdb ones, but it's a good bet they're similar) are 5HT2b agonists - much more so than MDA/MDMA, so hammering them is going to cause cases of all the nasty problems that occurred with fenfluramine (an amphetamine based appetite suppressant that had a lot of serotonogic activity), such as pulmonary hypertension & problems with heart (think it was mitral) valves - you seriously don't want to develop that. Check the whole thing out on google for yourselves and use IN MODERATION ; there ain't no such thing as a free lunch!
 
When has a pint of beer been that toxic?

It's more like the 6th pint of beer when it starts to be a tad toxic... =D


5HT2b activity is probably what pushed the powers that be into banning it (of course the ban would have come eventually even if it had been deemed non-toxic - can't have people going around having a good time unless it's taxed...)
 
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fastandbulbous said:
When has a pint of beer been that toxic?

It's more like the 6th pint of beer when it starts to be a tad toxic... =D


5HT2b activity is probably what pushed the powers that be into banning it (of course the ban would have come eventually even if it had been deemed non-toxic - can't have people going around having a good time unless it's taxed...)
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Hahaha! I for one most certainly paid tax on the 5-mapb that I poisoned myself with so if naything I'd say they tookk their time coz they WERE earning tax from the apbs & NBOMes. Decyphering the latest ban really does make me wonder if maybe just possibly perhaps the authorities ARE actually focusing on the compounds with the most popularity & the dodgiest risk assessment. I am not in favour of any bans but if the system would wield it's power with our health interests in mind I'd be less concerned than I have been in the past. If only they would just go back, realise their mistake with say cannabis & mushrooms & unban them, I swear they would have my backing from that point on. Obviously, Colorado is encouraging but the British government is a little slow footed in this department & I'm dissapointed that a country such as ours, so culturally influential & normally very forward thinking in many different ways, isn't the one breaking new ground in the war against drugs!
 
Yeah, something as benign as mescaline definitely doesn't deserve to be in the same harm category as fentanyl. I mean it doesn't have any 5HT2b agonism (most psychedelics do, but only to a slight degree in some cases like psilocin). If they realized that this isn't going to stop short of way over the top measures (which they can't really impliment as the prisons are full) and even then, it's never going to totally stop, you'd think they'd take a different run at the issue, but no, politicians are a self serving lot, only concerned with the short term soundbite impact (I think 'the thick of it' probably characterizes a shit load of politicians moral vacuum mentality).

As you said, we got rid of slavery, ensured children's rights etc way ahead of most because of forward thinking moral politicians. If any of them actually properly considered the stance on drugs, then they'd see what a farcical affair it is, but they're all too busy trying to climb the greasy pole and it doesn't look like anyone with an all encompassing view (and a backbone) is going to be in a position of power anytime soon. A sad reflection on modern british politics, what what? =D
 
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Want a good reason to keep it to once a month dosing? Well the APB derivatives (don't know about the apdb ones, but it's a good bet they're similar) are 5HT2b agonists - much more so than MDA/MDMA, so hammering them is going to cause cases of all the nasty problems that occurred with fenfluramine (an amphetamine based appetite suppressant that had a lot of serotonogic activity), such as pulmonary hypertension & problems with heart (think it was mitral) valves - you seriously don't want to develop that. Check the whole thing out on google for yourselves and use IN MODERATION ; there ain't no such thing as a free lunch!
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I'm not sure of the KI values of fenfluramine vs. the APBs for the 5HT2b receptor, but don't you think a daily regimen of fenfluramine isn't really comparable to the frequency at which most people use the APBs? Sure, some are going to abuse it and suffer severe consequences but it seems they would eventually not get any positive effects if they even tried to come close daily use. Of course, moderation is paramount with these new and untested chemicals and anyone that uses APBs more than once a month continually is asking for trouble IMO.

Thank you though for providing this information because I had no idea 5HT2b agonism affects the heart's valves. This is just one more reason not to abuse these chemicals.
 
Si Ingwe...best wishes from Western Australia...
Thanks again for the kind words of encouragement you gave me a few months back. Yes, I took this Chem several days in a row...I was stupid like this. Never have I suffered such a special sickness. The nasty effects lasted maybe 14 days. What a disgusting hang-over, with all kinds of messed up shit going on in my mind...nightmares & vivid dreaming...crying like a baby...weird feeling I have no words to describe them...what a horror show...never again.
I can not express very well how much your words of encouragement & understanding meant to me during that time. I'm very grateful.
It's good to see you too have recovered.
Best wishes.
 
:) It's more than enough to know that you're okay :) But the pleasure's all mine. Good to see you back!

The APB's have recently been banned here in the UK, including 5-mapb, so I'm hoping presentation with the "Acute Brain-Zap Crisis", (or ABzC as I've christianed it this instant) will ease up. But of course, a fuck of alot of this chemical will have entered the drugs distribution network since January & now that it's banned I'm concerned that it'll be appearing instead of, or mixed with, mdma. Follk such as Silent Roller, posting about a ABzC in Ecstacy Discussion right now, who have mixed MDMA with APBs or used each on successive nights have suffered ABzC or something similar to that which you & I have enjoyed.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/681043-Don-t-shout-at-me-BL-but-I-need-advice
 
Don't wish to be judgemental or anything, but why are people taking these serotonin releasers successively all of a sudden? Do people think it's different because it's name is not MDMA or something?

And I don't mean you two in particular, it's just that I read about people doing that with the APBs maybe a million times or so.
 
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Widespread use of legal compounds & the addictive, fiendishness of Mephedrone has perhaps played a part in peoples more relaxed & less cautious use of serotonergic substances.

But to be honest, I have without doubt known people who have used MDMA in vast amounts & with ridiculous regularity, compared to me, & I'm talking even way back in 1990!
 
rainey said:
Heed jesusgreens words and be very very careful the amount of this you take....or rather the frequency!

I have been taking rc`s for years now with my partner. We are both in our 50`s. I bought 2g of this from a highly respected uk vendor. We took it over the last 6 weeks and as it was nearing the end we were on a weeks holiday so instead of our usual fri/sat night we took it midweek on the tues so it worked out fri/sat/tues/fri/sat. The following week 72hrs after last dose my partner got ill in the same way she did if she took E 3 times in one week so we were working out that particular week as tues/fri/sat....3 times

From the following tues my partner was throwing up 6 times a day but it went on all week rather than the normal 2 days sickness and it was bad. She was constantly crying and being sick. From the wed it started with me except with me I dont get sick it comes out the other end

Then the depression like I`ve never had in my life. I`m not going to hold back here this is how it was.....

Uncontrollable crying my eyes out which then developed into a full scale breakdown in which I was bawling like a child in a tantrum. At one point I SERIOUSLY contemplated suicide. No exagerration. I never experienced anything like this in my life of drug use (over 40 years)

I hardly ate a thing all week as my stomach was doing cartwheels

WE have used almost 100 different rc`s in the past 7 years and we are NEVER ill.

NEVER

We still arent quite right but I think we are over the worst of it.

Dosage was always 110mg with NO top ups.

It has been the most harrowing week of my entire life and even though we overdone it I wont be touching this stuff again.

It`s not even that great it feels like a slightly trippy mephedrone to me.

Spend your money on one of the 5 meo`s a much better choice by far!
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I consumed 150-200mg 5-MAPB last weekend and can confirm this after effects: Depression, uncontrollable crying, breakdowns, stomach problems..
It started 2 days after the consumption. The day after consumption I felt good actually, probably I was still somehow "high"...
Never had this effects even after huge amounts of mdma or bk-mdma..
Strange stuff. Take care people..
 
welcome to the club!

Sneaks up on you, doesn't it? I'd never have poisoned myself if the comedown hadn't been so delayed... Shit stuff! :(
 
Si Ingwe said:
welcome to the club!

Sneaks up on you, doesn't it? I'd never have poisoned myself if the comedown hadn't been so delayed... Shit stuff! :(
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yeah, sneaky substance!
today I am constantly dizzy and very weak..
can you recommend some "remedy"?
 
noise_ said:
yeah, sneaky substance!
today I am constantly dizzy and very weak..
can you recommend some "remedy"?
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Indeed! Hammer fish oils, eat fish, eggs etc Omega 3 oils, especially those derived from Flaxseed such as Vegetarian Omega 3 from Boots really seem to speed recovery ...
 
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