The Main 5-MAPB Thread

[Si Dread]

My doses were about 50mg or 60mg each day, two days on, two days off, then two days on again.

And you are telling me you weren't asking for troubles for this frequent dosing of a potent SRA?

I have no excuse, but I have done an awful lot longer, more regular sessions on established stims in the past without ANY kind of problem other than an obvious, immediate hangover. Once again, I believed until 10 days afterwards that I had remained well within the safety margins that might apply to considerably more common drugs & I had used my usual commone sense established after nearly 30 years experementing.

I was most certainly asking for trouble & I got it. I'm just trying to keep others away from a compound that has caused a surprisingly long-term problem after a very short & not unusual dosage regime. I spent too many days at it, but my dose was pretty conservative, I think.

Obviously, these chems are very different but as ONE example of past activity. I once used 4-fa for 4 days in a row, all day each day to counter-act a chest infection when I was unable to get to a doctor. The stimulant kept me from havng an asthma attack, replacing the corticosteroid Prednislone, a drug with similar properties that makes me feel very unpleasant. I had a great time on the 4-fa, got antibiotics for my infection & a mild amphetamine hangover that lasted a couple days. That regime, 4 days on -fa, I would suggest, despite the best of intentions (Lol), seems riskier to me than my 5-mapb sessions!

Finally, I spend alot of time helping people out here on BL & elsewhere, people who have fucked up like I have. ALOT of people are presenting with persistant problems associated with 5-mapb & the other apb's. I'm sure some hardheads out there are hammering like there's no tomorow without the slightest hiccup, & best of luck to them.

Anyone who reads this & then screws up anyway, can't say they weren't warned, right? That's all I'm here for, just to offer warning!

 

[Dragon-n]

Marquis test turned my 5-mapb midnight purple (purple/black), as expected. it looked identical to every other APB/MDx i've ever tested....just so ya know....=)


In my experience all APB's are about twice as potent as MD's. I realize others may think differently but dosing 60 mgs. 5-MAPB sounds like dosing 100-120 mgs MDMA, which sounds hellish to dose even semi-frequently.

First time I took 90 mgs 6-APB and it felt easily as potent as 200 mgs MDA, but it had no hangover. When I tried another 75 mgs 6-APB the next day, I felt fine, but was dizzy the entire next day.

The APB's seem to have a certain forgiving character when taken very carefully, and bite incredibly hard when not. I think people who have had bad reactions should list their doses so we better understand why this happening. I'd be willing to bet there's gonna be a super high dosage (even 150 will be far too high for sensitive people), or frequent dosing.

Lately I've been taking half-doses of 6-apb and boosting it with 2c-c or cannabis. 80% of a roll, with 10% of the hangover. Better safe than sorry, and in many cases, LESS is MORE.

Start LOW, I would feel like absolute hellish shit if I took 300 mgs MDA, so even 150 mgs 5-MAPB could rock somebody's world.

 

[ashxcore]

I rather liked insufflating this stuff. I found it a more enjoyable experience on my own than MDMA or methylone by far. It also inspired me to do some graphic design, which for whatever reason, only meph and 3-MMC do for me. Tonight I'm going to try intramuscular injection. I snorted 50mg at a time so 20mg IM seems to be good. I'll sniff it first and then shoot it to see if I react to it in the same way. I got it from a different vendor than I did before, although this one is MUCH more reliable. There isn't a lot of info about IM as a ROA for whatever reason. I guess people are either mortally averse to needles or when they have them, go IV or nothing.

 

[Si Dread]

Who's gonna come in & question this guys regime then? I was doing 50mg in a DAY, in 10mg lines & I poisoned the fuck out of myself within days... this fellow is snorting 50mg at a time! He plans to mainline it next! Others are dropping 200mg bombs. I became severely ill & 250mg was the SUM TOTAL of my use!

It took me 6 days (2 days 50mg each day, 2 days off, then 2 days 50mg each day again) to make myself ill, I was ill for a week & I'm still not recovered 100%. That was in January, it's fucking August now!

Whatever...

 

[Jesusgreen]

How's snorting this one? I've heard it's easy to snort unlike 6-APB/5-APB and doesn't go straight to your lungs and cause you to have a coughing fit. What about the drip though, and the burn? For what it's worth I've found the burn with snorting MDMA to be minimal, but with 6-APB the coughing fits as the powder hit my lungs were just too much.

Has anyone combined this with 6-APB, and if so, what were the results, and when do you think one should dose each substance/what dosages?

I'm looking to try this soon, and was going to get ~200mg of the stuff, but the foil my friend gave it to me in had holes in it and it looks like most of it was lost, so I'm left with only 40-50mg. I'm debating whether to snort it on its own to get a weak/medium feel for the experience not coloured by other drugs, or to take it either via snorting or orally on top of an existing 6-APB roll.

Ideally looking to take it this Friday on my birthday either way :D

 

[tasha_yar]

How did it go on your birthday? Did you survive?

 

[ashxcore]

How's snorting this one? I've heard it's easy to snort unlike 6-APB/5-APB and doesn't go straight to your lungs and cause you to have a coughing fit. What about the drip though, and the burn? For what it's worth I've found the burn with snorting MDMA to be minimal, but with 6-APB the coughing fits as the powder hit my lungs were just too much.

Has anyone combined this with 6-APB, and if so, what were the results, and when do you think one should dose each substance/what dosages?

I'm looking to try this soon, and was going to get ~200mg of the stuff, but the foil my friend gave it to me in had holes in it and it looks like most of it was lost, so I'm left with only 40-50mg. I'm debating whether to snort it on its own to get a weak/medium feel for the experience not coloured by other drugs, or to take it either via snorting or orally on top of an existing 6-APB roll.

Ideally looking to take it this Friday on my birthday either way :D

It's very clumpy and difficult to snort. Clogs the nostrils with just little bits. There is no burn, but the drip is rank. It also does cause a little coughing.

As for IMing it, it didn't actually feel any different than snorting it.

 

[Bone14]

Mine caused burn, wasn't clumpy and difficult to snort. I can't remember if it clogged my nostrils.

 

[psood0nym]

This one sounded interesting to me early on, but with the reports of fairly severe after effects following one or just a few doses I don't think I'll bother. I absolutely hate brain zaps and I don't think I've ever read a thread about any other substance that results in such long lasting and powerful brain zaps. Has anybody who has tried this compared it to combinations of other drugs that might be expected to approximate it? I'm thinking something like 6-APB or 6-APDB in combination with another drug that is reportedly thought to be mostly only a serotonin releaser such as 5-APDB, or one that is known to be such as MDAI, because 5-MAPB sounds like it has proportionally high serotonin releasing effects relative to dopamine and norepinephrine compared to most other MDMA-alikes.

 

[Si Dread]

You make the right decision... just my opinion!

Silent Roller has used 5-mapb at least once, & he also suffered some nasty ABzC after using MDMA & 6-apb on two consequtive nights. So SR obviously has tried both...

I'd suggest that all the apb's have a tendency to produce brain zaps in recovery, with perhaps 5-mapb a couple steps ahead of the others. If you've tolerated the other apb's you'd probably be okay on 5-mapb. I just wouldn't recomend it if you have access to any MDMA-a-like stimulant such as Methylone or 4-fa for instance, there is no need to take 5-mapb at all.

 

[Poodles!]

Wow. This has taken me quite by surprise. I wasn't expecting this to be better than 6-APB, but I think I might prefer it! It's much closer to MDMA but not as trippy. This doesn't seem as stimulating as MDMA either. But fantastic eye wiggles and music appreciation!

it's very loved up. A lot more loved up than 6-APB and 5-APB, but not as forced as MDMA. Still captures a hell of a lot of the magic. very beautiful chem. I hope the comedown is an easy one.

I'm currently on 78+/-5 mg rectal.

 

[psood0nym]

^Posts like this are why I posted about 5-MAPB being "interesting." It does sound like it's probably the best "one shot" entheogen on the alternative market at the moment, but only, and I mean ONLY, if you're going to use it once every one or two months or less for a hard rolling night, since it sounds like it may even be a harder drain on serotonin systems than MDMA. Methylone is too short acting and 4-FA is like MDMA-lite, which is fine if that's what you want, but neither of those seem to be serious contenders for an MDMA substitute.Otherwise, for MDMA-alikes 5 or 6-APB, or 6-APDB seem preferable, depending on the proportion of stimulation and empathogenic effects that suits you among them. Certainly they last far longer than MDMA and seem to have fewer undesirable aftereffects, and drugs that are more focused on pure serotonin release such as MDAI or 5-APDB could theoretically be combined with them to increase the "loved up" empathogenic effects (though such combos could be dangerous if there's unexpected synergy in serotonin release -- I experienced just such synergy between aMT and 4-FA, though the dose of each was low enough that it didn't become a problem).

 

[Si Dread]

I've been advised recently that taking Magneseum Malate might work well with my Omega oils regime in combating the old brain zaps shite! Anyone know why

I could not buy Magneseum Malate in the UK & got some off Amazon, sent from Germany. Anyone know why?

 

[crOOk]

I've been advised recently that taking Magneseum Malate might work well with my Omega oils regime in combating the old brain zaps shite! Anyone know why

I could not buy Magneseum Malate in the UK & got some off Amazon, sent from Germany. Anyone know why?

No, but I can assure you that this will prevent brain zaps just as well as an umbrella will keep you safe in the midst of a meteor hail. :D

Also, magnesium citrate is much cheaper and works just as well. Has a lower bioavailability though.

 

[Si Dread]

Lol Well, I was pretty surprised by how well a tin of tuna worked as cure/prevention, so you never know, I like to keep an open mind. Obviously if there's a cheaper option I'd go for that one in future.

Thanks!

 

[toastmann]

The toxicity of a drug isn't something you "feel" as such, until you've abused something quite a lot, and even then a lot of the damage can go seemingly unnoticed. MDMA for example doesn't feel the slightest bit toxic to me, even in large amounts or when overused, but the after-effects are severe, and the damage it can do when abused is very real.

Just worth bearing that in mind, and as with 6-APB, MDMA and the like, a month minimum between uses is definitely a good idea.

I have read data on SERT binding here on bluelight from both 6-APDB and MDMA, which suggested that 6-APDB is about 2.23 times more potent 5-HT releaser then MDMA is.
6-APDB: IC50 values of 322 nM [SERT], 1,997 nM [DAT], and 980 nM [NET]
MDMA: IC50 values of 720nM [SERT], 1400nM [DAT], 660nM [NET]

However, I dont have links to the papers so you can't consider this valid really. But lets say its true for now, and that 6-APB behaves the same as its APDB cousin, you could say a pause of 6-8 weeks would be more beneficial.
But these numbers are messed up, some are from reuptake inhibition and others from releasing 5-HT. Bit confusing. No links either

But these are relatively new chemicals so it can't do harm listening to this advice and to take longer spaces between use

 

[psood0nym]

I have read data on SERT binding here on bluelight from both 6-APDB and MDMA, which suggested that 6-APDB is about 2.23 times more potent 5-HT releaser then MDMA is.
6-APDB: IC50 values of 322 nM [SERT], 1,997 nM [DAT], and 980 nM [NET]
MDMA: IC50 values of 720nM [SERT], 1400nM [DAT], 660nM [NET]

However, I dont have links to the papers so you can't consider this valid really. But lets say its true for now, and that 6-APB behaves the same as its APDB cousin, you could say a pause of 6-8 weeks would be more beneficial.
But these numbers are messed up, some are from reuptake inhibition and others from releasing 5-HT. Bit confusing. No links either

Behold, the power of statistically improbable search terms: LINK

Unfortunately, you've gotta pay to see what you're looking for unless you've got university access or something, though those same numbers are cited on its Wiki page.

 

[Wintermute]

So I saw 5-MAPB become available from several vendors recently, but only for a little while before quickly vanishing again. From what little I've read about this, it wasn't received well by the few who got some right away and at least one vendor was awaiting further analysis before making it available again.

Honestly, I thought 5-MAPB was incredible and really hoped it would become available again. Anyone get their hands on some 5-MAPB in the last few months and want to chime in on it's quality? I'm NOT looking for vendors or anything like that. Just curious if there's any chance that some real 5-MAPB might be trading hands here in the US...

 

[IggiBizzle]

Having just got back from ibiza last week, and using MDMA a few times, in same way i use apbs here, (as in with minimal alcohol, in a club setting), i would say the apb's, and 5-mapb imparticular are MUCH better. MDMA is in and out too quick, Barely and visuals, Seemed to give me less energy (dancing seemed less natural). And euphoria is barely different. Although apb / mapb takes so much out of you i would have no way been able to do it 3 times in a week! :D ibiza would be left a smouldering mess if that stuff was freely available over there. was good to compare it though

 

[toastmann]

Having just got back from ibiza last week, and using MDMA a few times, in same way i use apbs here, (as in with minimal alcohol, in a club setting), i would say the apb's, and 5-mapb imparticular are MUCH better. MDMA is in and out too quick, Barely and visuals, Seemed to give me less energy (dancing seemed less natural). And euphoria is barely different. Although apb / mapb takes so much out of you i would have no way been able to do it 3 times in a week! :D ibiza would be left a smouldering mess if that stuff was freely available over there. was good to compare it though

Way to fuck up your brain receptors

You shouldn't do any serotinergic drugs (especially MDMA and the APB's) 3 times a week. For MDMA a pause of minimal 4 weeks is required, and for the stronger APB's I recommend a pause of 8 weeks minimum. But that's the bare minimum, doubling that pause would essentially be a lot better.

Don't do these kind of drugs so often.