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The idea of being "CLEAN" - How do you define it? (Poll, but please reply too!)

1,2,3,4?

  • 1

    Votes: 12 17.4%

  • 2

    Votes: 15 21.7%

  • 3

    Votes: 33 47.8%

  • 4

    Votes: 9 13.0%
  • Total voters
    69
all former or current drug addicts know what clean is and if they are clean at the moment and it has NOTHING to do with what drugs you are taking. likes been said its all mental, regarding behaviour, thought processes etc..If you are on heroin maintenance but psychologically think of the the heroin non obseesively and like you would for example headache pills or prosac, then you are in my view clean and "non addicted" even though you are physically dependant. if your on something that mentally CONTROLS and obsesses you ,instead of the other way round then imo you are not clean.
Plus its completely a personal thing , my idea of being clean is not allways the same as someones elses.
Anyway very good and interesting topic for a thread, cant think anyone would believe that having no drugs WHATSOEVER INCL. CAFFEINE,NICOTINE, HEART MEDS etc.. is the ONLY way to consider yourself truly clean
 
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i voted 3... like it's ok to have a puff here n there, or have a few beers, have medication and respect the dosing... however i do not consider myself "clean" (i abuse my meds... use RC's every few months, have a smoke from time to time, and quite a few drinks to go with 50mg valium/day...)
 
clean is clean. Nothing in my eyes.


Who the hell here is clean t hough, hahahaha
 
Are you truly "sober" if you're on Suboxone?

A thread over in Other Drugs (this one) got me thinking... During the discussion, the question was posed if one is truly "sober" if they are taking suboxone. Immediately there were some differences in opinion. Since Other Drugs isn't the place for such a debate, I thought I'd open up a dialogue about it here.

So what do you guys think? Are you truly "sober" if you are taking suboxone, taking it as intended and not seeking any euphoria, etc? Where is the line if there is one at all?
 
I wouldn't say being on Suboxone means you're sober, but to me, being on Suboxone (and not using heroin/full agonist opiates) is what I call being clean, because heroin is the one drug I had a serious problem with.

I still enjoy psychedelics, cannabis extracts, and buprenorphine.

I know some people who had problems with heroin also had problems with some or many other drugs as well, but heroin is the only drug I had a real problem with. I find a lot of other heroin users could handle themselves on a variety of other substances but heroin just seemed to be the one that tripped them up in life.
 
Alot of people in AA / NA would say you are not truly sober. However, for myself I have stopped drinking, using heroin, coke, cannabis etc.... I am on bupe from my doc for a 'disease' i have, and getting outside help is expectable... I am taking it as prescribed, its no different then being on antidepressants for example.

No addict behaviour or mind altering is taking place.... for me i am clean and sober today.
 
After shooting dope and eating oxy for years, been on Suboxone for a year consistently ~6mg a day. It never even got me close to "high" and sometimes I still had very unpleasant PAWS. However it does slightly change state of mind, no more than the average anti-depressant etc, and pretty much everyone considers themselves sober if they're on anti depressants.

Yes. iMo Suboxone is sobriety IF you've been on other opiates long enough where its impossible to get high off it. Methadone on the other hand... Absolutely not
 
it seems like suboxone is just filling in a 'deficit'. And without it, does sobriety=dopesick?
 
i dont get this. my sister had a 180 mg roxi habit minimum per day and took suboxone (weening down to the 2mg patches and eventually off of it). she took it for a year and ive noticed a giant improvement in attitude and everything and she had no trouble coming off and worked her steps and all that. if you need that help then so be it, its better then an opiate habit.

if you dont stay on it forever and try to use it as a crutch its no big deal IMO
 
I believe im on sober on suboxone....I feel "normal" for the first time in a year. You feel like complete shit coming off a hard opiate or any opiate for that matter after being addicted, life just sucks and nothing including sex even feels that great the first couple weeks off a full agonist. I feel that suboxone is my medicine just like any one else who had meds and consider themselves sober. Suboxone is my medicine to not use heroin and to not be a depressed and anxiety filled person.
 
This is certainly an interesting philosophical / semantic debate. I will keep an eye on this thread.
 
I view it like SkagKush does.. I mean, as long as you aren't trying to abuse your suboxone..it's really no different to me than being on any other prescribed medication for a condition or illness. If you define sober as simply the absense of any chemicals in your body.. than I guess you wouldn't be.. But that's not how I personally define it. If you're on something for maintenance, not actively trying to get high, going out of your way to better your life and change your ways etc.. why shouldn't you be considered sober? You're certainly more sober than you were back shooting dope everyday and hustling for cash.

I think there is a line though.. and that line comes with the word "intent".. If your intentions are noble (and only you know this about yourself), where you're taking the suboxone solely as a means to stay off other drugs without looking for any kind of high at all, you're sober... if you're cheating here and there, still with an addict mentality, you're not. Maybe it's not that cut and dry... but that's always how I viewed it.
 
smokemctoke420 said:
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if you dont stay on it forever and try to use it as a crutch its no big deal IMO
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I dont understand that attitude. Are depressed people using anti-depressants as a crutch? Should they be actively trying to get off of them at all times? Bupe allows me to live a semi-normal life why is it bad if I choose to stay on it forever?
 
I don't think so. Being on suboxone really fucked up my emotions, motivation, intelligence and general health. It was no different than dope in the sense that I couldn't do any strenuous exercise and my appetite was nonexistent. I weighed 130 lbs at 6'4" when I was on suboxone, and emotionally I was stuck in the same state of mind I was in when I was using dope.

There's 3 advantages that suboxone has over dope:

1) It's legal
2) It's cheaper than dope
3) Your supply is constant; other than your monthly doctor appointment and pharmacy visit you don't need to spend any energy trying to cop

For a lot of people that means they can live a functional life while on suboxone and there's nothing wrong with that. But you're deluding yourself if you think you're sober on suboxone. It's an extremely strong drug, much stronger than antidepressants even, and no matter what your tolerance is it's still numbing your emotions. Go 3 months without it and I guarantee you will have to deal with feelings you haven't felt in years. Go 6 months without it and you will see huge, positive changes in your personality.
 
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Imo no, to be dependent on anything just to be well for the day is not sober
I understand if it helps with cravings or potential relapse and you're not abusing them then that's great but do you really consider that sober?
 
if your taking suboxone and not your doc opiate as in heroin,oc, opana's, methadone popyy pod tea, then i would consider you clean maybe not sober or maybe sober if you rigidly stick to you prescribed dose. Also AA has no opinion on OUTSIDE ISSUES so don't let those people tell you if your clean and sober or cleanand/or sober. I take subutex been off heroin almost a year i also take ativan (script), temezapam(script), addderal(script) and xanax and soma, i also drink... But I still maintain a day to day life that is not self destructive, I also was a heavy cocaine-iv/crack(iv-then back to smoking cause lack of veins). I consider myself clean AS LONG AS I'M NOT DOING CRACK OR HEROIN-OR ANY OTHER FULL AGONIST OPIATE!! idk thats just my opinion......thanks for lettin me share
 
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