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The idea of being "CLEAN" - How do you define it? (Poll, but please reply too!)

1,2,3,4?

  • 1

    Votes: 12 17.4%

  • 2

    Votes: 15 21.7%

  • 3

    Votes: 33 47.8%

  • 4

    Votes: 9 13.0%
  • Total voters
    69
I chose #4 because you didn't have it listed... Idk why it's not listed.

You're clean & off of drugs when you stop taking the drug you were addicted to. This includes not taking any drugs in the drugs family.
Say, if you're off of heroin, but you take suboxone...Then, in my holy motherfucking opinion - You're not clean.

If you were addicted to heroin, and you don't do heroin anymore, & nor do you take suboxone or any other kind of opiates.. Then you're clean. It doesn't matter if you smoke weed, or drink.. You're fuckin' clean, in my opinion.
You can do benzos, alcohol, weed, or psychedelics, or what have you.. As long as you don't take any form of opioid or whatever you were addicted to, then you're good & clean.
 
I say number 3. Lots of people get caught in wondering whether they are "clean" or not. What matters really is are you functional and is your life going places or do you have a habit that's dragging you down.

Do you. Don't worry if the people at NA won't think your clean if you take subs. You don't even have to tell them.
 
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3.

in my mind if you aren't abusing drugs then there is no problem. you aren't "dirty" for drinking and smoking or even doing other drugs as long as you've got your shit in order. the line gets drawn at dependence IMO. if you are dependent on a substance then it's in your best interest to rectify that.
 
#3

AA "clean" is bullshit and keeps plenty of people sick by guilting them for taking psych meds or anything else that is medically necessary and allows them to function day-to-day. Obviously this includes methadone or Suboxone, as well as cannabis in a medical state.

Clean is what you make it, but to me it's no dependence, physical or mental. I was once overprescribed benzos, got dependent. Got clean from them, no benzos for the last 4 years.
Do I smoke cannabis and take prescribed meds? Yes. Are they medically necessary for me to eat and survive? Also yes.
 
My opinion is like #3.
Moderation is key to everything in life.
If you can still function productively and still put everything else ahead on your priorities then your good.
Some people can handle mild use of even hard drugs. It's all willpower - No dispute intended I have been to treatment many times and know all about the 12 steps.
 
for me it is difficult to say. hopefully i am one of those people that will be able to smoke weed without going back to heroin/meth/cocaine. i know anything that i can inject, i WILL inject. so most pharm opiates, street drugs, ect.. are out of the picture. i dont know, i have alot of reservations for smoking weed once i get done with probation in 2 years. i have 87 days clean from all substances (besides my psych meds - gabapentin, modafinil, hydroxyzine) i take these as prescribed and i dont get any recreational effects whatsoever. i have never tried to be completely sober before, and it is really hard some days, but i am very prooud of myself, no weed, alcohol, amps, opaites, or NEEDLES for 87 days!!

i still have the thought in my head about smoking weed in a couple years once i get my shit together. i dont know if i am delusional, i dont know if it will lead me back to the needle. i want to believe i can handle it, but can i really handle it? i have heard some heroin addicts just be able to smoke weed and be successful.

i dont fucking know, i am confused and i am not sure what i am going to do. i guess i take it just one day at a time lol
 
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For me clean is being off the heroin. Im on suboxone but if i don't use i consider myself to be clean. I dont get sick i function normally so its all good. Any other drug i take to get fucked up doesnt count because im not addicted to anything else.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
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laC, where'd you come from bro? Haven't seen you around at all.
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Well, I had a warrant out for my arrest and long story short I got arrested again for breaking and entering, criminal trespassing blah blah . Thank god I didn't get charged with those new charges, but I was kept in jail for 35 days, then I was mandated to treatment for 35 days , just got out like3 weeks ago and I'm living in a halfway house doing the deal.

I have 89 days clean today, woo woo !! I ne'er thought I was going to get off suboxone and I never thought I'd be sober so soon, but unfortunately (or I guess I should say fortunately) I had a lot of legal trouble and I needed to get clean and things just stayed good so I continued in sobreity.

You know I'm so young and it's hard to really think I'm done, but for the next six months in my halfway house I'm doing sobreity and giving myself a chance.

How have you been doing Mr scag??
 
Glad you're doing well, man.. even if it did come from getting in some trouble. That's how it happens for me a lot too.

I've been doing alright I guess.. you know how it is. Up and down. I finally gave up trying to get back on suboxone and am going to do a 3 month methadone detox at my local clinic. I'm just maintaining now till the appointment next week.
 
thanks man! thats awesome that you are still trying to get sober!! i know you will do well on the methadone detox! the most important part i think to my sobriety is hanging out with sober people and doing fun sober things with them. we are all influenced to some degree by the people around us; even if you dont like 12step meetings (like myself) i really suggest going to meet some people there. id realy use the time that you are detoxing from methadone to start changing old behaviors and finding new people to hang out with.

i believe in you scag! remember it is not about how many times you fall down, it is about how many times you get back up, that is what counts! you havent lost the fight until you completely give up, and you sound like you are on the right path!

good luck my friend, i know you can do it!

-laC
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
I finally gave up trying to get back on suboxone and am going to do a 3 month methadone detox at my local clinic. I'm just maintaining now till the appointment next week.
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Good luck to you, sir. Heroin is such a bitch. On again, off again, on again..... Best of luck with your detox.
 
I went for option 3. This has kinda worked for me before, for about 6 years the first time. 2-3 years the next time I relapsed, am currently tapering Trams now, I only abused them for like 3 weeks though so I expect to not too bad. After that I have a 8-10mg Etizolam habit I have to get off of though, been abusing them steadily in 6mg doses for about 1,5 years, the last 3 weeks with Tramadol I upped it to 10mg a day to avoid/seriously reduce any chance of a seizure.
 
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You know it's funny. I used to define being "clean" as abstaining from all illicit substances and alcohol without the use of methadone or suboxone, both substances being what I had considered as "heroin substitutes." But now, my definition has become just a bit more tolerant, and one who abstains from using illicit drugs and alcohol but takes methadone or suboxone - as directed, of course - is still "clean" in my book.
 
Hmm I'm not sure if I am a 2 or 3. My last dose of Suboxone was 144 hours ago and I take all my meds as prescribed...I'm gonna go with 3
 
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