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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread
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Shambles
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Good luck finding anyone anywhere who ever received any actual treatment :D
And are you not also interested in the majority of users who never had (or have) any addiction issues even after years of use? GBL may be horribly addictive for some but certainly not all. Fairness, balance and all that. Unless you're working for BBC3 of course - would be silly to even suggest fairness, balance or even remote accuracy if that's the case :D
Transform is right though, too many journalists have made similar requests and lied through their teeth to convince BLers to take part too often for you to go expecting a rush of interest from anyone with any sense.
On topic, definitely seem to have avoided any serious w/d again with this last bottle. Any other longterm users been so lucky? Starting to think I really am a bit of a freak when it comes to G w/d. But still not complaining.
Ive been using GBL on and off since 2008 and NEVER noticed any sort of withdrawal, i take around 100ml a week, the key is simply not taking it for sleep and taking a couple hours off after you wake up or something, and your set!
Just because it makes the day more fun! That is all.
Its still as enjoyable but i atrribute that to my daily regime of 40mg of memantine.
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Another update, 2 weeks into using baclofen. I started on 10mg every 4 hours with my normal G dosing. I am now taking 15mg every 3 hours and my G dose is now 0.5ml evey 1.5 hours. I take 0.5ml at 10 before heading to bed, I make sure I have my Baclofen dose trough the night but I dont need to take any G to sleep. I do shake a bit in the morning but my head is clear and I do manage to sleep between dosing.
I am almost confident that I might be able to drop the G dosing within the next couple of days. I have had a couple of really wierd days when I was dropping the G dosing but nothing compared to trying to cold turkey or tapering. Had some visuals and noises but very little tremours or anxiety!
Getting a rest makes so much difference, sets you up. A couple of wierd days whilst tapering down. I know I havent stopped the G yet, nor the baclofen. But i feel some conrol now and the state I was in a few weeks ago... almost o/d ing just to keep the devil away. I have moved across the board from then. I do feel im getting my life back, the last year has been hell!
Oh by the way no alcohol in 2 weeks now either!
I will keep you all posted
I am almost confident that I might be able to drop the G dosing within the next couple of days. I have had a couple of really wierd days when I was dropping the G dosing but nothing compared to trying to cold turkey or tapering. Had some visuals and noises but very little tremours or anxiety!
Getting a rest makes so much difference, sets you up. A couple of wierd days whilst tapering down. I know I havent stopped the G yet, nor the baclofen. But i feel some conrol now and the state I was in a few weeks ago... almost o/d ing just to keep the devil away. I have moved across the board from then. I do feel im getting my life back, the last year has been hell!
Oh by the way no alcohol in 2 weeks now either!
I will keep you all posted
Thanks mate, it s took a while to get back on an even keel. I had no idea what hell i was getting into using 24/7. God just getting some form of balance back into my life has been breathtaking. I am communicating better, more focused, although i still get my episodes. Im not out of the woods yet. The first time I was forced to give up was probably the worst two weeks of my life and I wasnt really using 24/7 then.
So, I probably have a bit to go yet but at least I can think it all through and waking up in the morning, whatever time, with no banging in my ears, heart blasting, shivering, trembling is like passing over to the other side..
I AM getting there
The report is here for the next week:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00xjb2k/5_live_Breakfast_21_01_2011
Go 11 mins then there is more about 1hr 15 in and 2 hr 15..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00xjb2k/5_live_Breakfast_21_01_2011
Go 11 mins then there is more about 1hr 15 in and 2 hr 15..
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The testimonial from an addict alone is here.
The first part of the main article starts at 11:30, with our friend Paul getting his facts wrong about in vivo conversion and dosing during addiction. A doctor speaks about his experience treating addicts, and the fact that delerium tremens can set in within just a few hours, while waiting in A&E for example. There is then a young banker who started using occasionally and slipped into addiction.
Then a statement from the national treatment agency saying there are not enough cases to train people nationwide, only where it becomes a problem locally.
The second part starts at about 1:14, but as much sympathy as I have, I wasn't impressed with the scaremongering from the lady whose daughter died because of GBL.
The only sensible thing she really said, and it was VERY sensible, was that banning is not the answer, rather there should be raised awareness and education.
The part at 2:15 actually starts at 2:18:30 and was very interesting, speaking to two doctors (one soundbite from part one) who said again that medical staff weren't familiar enough with the withdrawals.
As usual the presenters was pretty clueless and sensational and the article demonised the drug more than necessary but the pieces did raise very valid points and was interesting.
The first part of the main article starts at 11:30, with our friend Paul getting his facts wrong about in vivo conversion and dosing during addiction. A doctor speaks about his experience treating addicts, and the fact that delerium tremens can set in within just a few hours, while waiting in A&E for example. There is then a young banker who started using occasionally and slipped into addiction.
Then a statement from the national treatment agency saying there are not enough cases to train people nationwide, only where it becomes a problem locally.
The second part starts at about 1:14, but as much sympathy as I have, I wasn't impressed with the scaremongering from the lady whose daughter died because of GBL.
The only sensible thing she really said, and it was VERY sensible, was that banning is not the answer, rather there should be raised awareness and education.
The part at 2:15 actually starts at 2:18:30 and was very interesting, speaking to two doctors (one soundbite from part one) who said again that medical staff weren't familiar enough with the withdrawals.
As usual the presenters was pretty clueless and sensational and the article demonised the drug more than necessary but the pieces did raise very valid points and was interesting.
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I was looking to obtain some G as its something I've never gotten round t o trying..not sure how that happened.
I note most of the online vendors need you to confirm you are only going to use it for cleaning chrome, and given ..in the words of Paul Weller "I'll always be a mod" and actually owning a scooter, I believe I am able to find a good use for said solvent.
With all that out of the way can anyone comment on how relaible these vendors are given they operate outside of the UK, there seems to be quite a few but I'm guessing there a few scammers out there ?
No names please, or the other "mods" will be on my case.
I note most of the online vendors need you to confirm you are only going to use it for cleaning chrome, and given ..in the words of Paul Weller "I'll always be a mod" and actually owning a scooter, I believe I am able to find a good use for said solvent.
With all that out of the way can anyone comment on how relaible these vendors are given they operate outside of the UK, there seems to be quite a few but I'm guessing there a few scammers out there ?
No names please, or the other "mods" will be on my case.
Shambles
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It's perfectly legal in many countries so vendors are generally reasonably reliable. At worst they might water it down a bit - or send the inferior "Chinese" version when you pay for BASF anyway - but have always been reliable in terms of delivering in good time. I've never had to confirm what I intended to use it for but have seen sites that mention it.
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Sorry to see your back in the loop with the G , DS, but I'm pretty much the same.
I get withdrawals every time I use the G for more than two weeks, but don't get the nasty stuff until I've done at least a month. If I used it with other drugs, I would be ok.
Baclofen over three days at high doses tapering down - and dosing every 6 - 8 hours nails the wd's as dose pregabalin. Both together kick the wd's completely. Only problem is that I feel so damn good using these drugs, that I pick up the G immediately thinking " Fuck, that was easy".
The bbc programme had some very good points, and I got in touch with the guy, who was very nice, and tried to put a decent programme together - the presenter on the other hand was a clueless female who homed in on the soundbites to sensationalise - but who the fuck would listen if they were saying
"This shit can kill you, but used sensibly, its Top Gear"
The doctor who specialises in treating G addictions was brilliant.
The one thing they portrayed incorrectly, was that G was a gay drug !
Mind you, the first time I used it, I definitely had a craving for gay porn, and I'm not gay
I get withdrawals every time I use the G for more than two weeks, but don't get the nasty stuff until I've done at least a month. If I used it with other drugs, I would be ok.
Baclofen over three days at high doses tapering down - and dosing every 6 - 8 hours nails the wd's as dose pregabalin. Both together kick the wd's completely. Only problem is that I feel so damn good using these drugs, that I pick up the G immediately thinking " Fuck, that was easy".
The bbc programme had some very good points, and I got in touch with the guy, who was very nice, and tried to put a decent programme together - the presenter on the other hand was a clueless female who homed in on the soundbites to sensationalise - but who the fuck would listen if they were saying
"This shit can kill you, but used sensibly, its Top Gear"
The doctor who specialises in treating G addictions was brilliant.
The one thing they portrayed incorrectly, was that G was a gay drug !
Mind you, the first time I used it, I definitely had a craving for gay porn, and I'm not gay
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