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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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Good luck Alex G. Let us know how you're doing.
My w/d's sometimes vary coming off G and I am unsure why.
Someone mentioned tramadol, which I am prescribed for pain. I was previously prescribed the higher POM dose of co-codamol.
I only started upping the G when I had a serious non drug related health issue and no support, then was a victim of assault which re-triggered my PTSD symptoms.
I got fed up with the hit ad miss of G dosing, lack of positive benefits initially experienced, andjust conking out inconveniently at home (reluctant to use if out).
That was when I started the drinking, up til then I wasn't really bothered about alcohol but once in a serious health situation and so-called friends nowhere to be seen and nofamily support I was on my ownand was aware I was deliberately self medicating due to fear of my medical condition, and lowering of self esteem due to the shock of people I'd helped and known for years turning their backs when I had to have serious medical tests.
Anyway basically I can stop G sometimes it's horrific, sometimes I don't understand how easy it is. I take shed loads of suppliments at high doses all the time to compensate tho.
I wish I could get hold of MDMA still but I lost my contacts. IMO that is safer occasionally used. I feel resentful I have had to use what I regard as less safe substances because of the government knee jerk reaction and head in sand attitude to drugs. The last time I did get what I thought were E's turned out to be all piperazine.
I'm not sure of my next move, I did have my GBL elsewhere, but now have it back at home, and even found more I had forgotten I had! I know I ae to stop using it, but if my health probs increase which are seperate, I can't see the point. I'll knock the drinking on the head as I only started up as ahint to come off the GBL, however I have diazepam now and masses of other supps which DO help.
Can I just thank SnrG & Effie for their help-Treacle also, all ery helpful so I really am grateful. Regarding Baclofen is it available over the net as there's no way I am approaching my GP as I am having ahard enough time gaining referral for biopsy on further lumps in other places on my body due to practice funding. I also don't want them messing about with my other meds for a neurodevelopmental condition which they prob will.
Equally what is the effectiveness of Baclofen in comparison to diazepam, and propanolol.
I was just keen not to overuse the above as I already have an anxiety disorder and would prefer not to take diazepam full stop and just use the propanolol in conjunction with my neurodevelopmental meds (amphetamine based) to try and get back to normal.
I noticed someone mentioned escalitopram, it was after rather than treat my neurodevelopmental disorder with controlled substance that I went bonkers. Lofepramine, seroxat, citalopram, prozac etc........I was suicidal and it ended disasterously for myself and my family. SSRI's are not something I would recommend, there has been hidden documented evidence of drug companies underplaying withdrawal symptoms they term mild discontinuation, however many GP's aren't aware of these, and I almost died as a result of GP ignorance. I paid to see a private speicalist who instantly sorted the problem out, but it was like I was an extra in trainspotting for 2 years as the more I tried to cut down, the more ill and incapacitated I became. It took ages to reduce and I do believe has damaged my CNS as has the alcohol abuse. Never done that many drugs before the GBL. Did get alot of meph the last day it was legal, but bugger that as I still get purple knees and legs which is pronounced and gone on for 8 months since I last took it.
Anyway I am not in any hurry to book the CAT or MRI mainly as my GP is being unhelpful, my family have been quite rubbish and I am just coasting along with less anxiety at the moment. How long off booze would the prominence of fatty liver subside, does anyone have any idea? Also would the GBL use cause lumps or any liver change (as it does get rid of the toxins) on a scan, as I'll stop that too.
Any advice regarding baclofen without going to my GP as in if it's available online is appreciated. I am reluctant to order from new sources anyway but have got a decent long term source I trust that may approach. Just wondering if it's any different better/worse than the propanolol 40mg and diaz.
I have probs leaving the house which I used GBL for, so I am worried how I will replace it with something else and wondered what everyone esle has done. All my mates have moved out to uni, so it's a bit hard going breaking into a new social network, as my best mate moved to the coast recently! LOL
Be well all - take care :)
 
I don't know what mematine or DMX refer to-sorry to appear clueless. I will look on the linked thread but are these prescription only or over the counter? I'm not too stressed about the w/d's since I may not have a good prognosis for a seperate health issue.
I did read something about GBL and lumps/lypmph/liklihood of cancer. I can't remember where, so aside from the questions in this message as well as the baclofen, can anyone answer me about lumps, as I read about pesticides and chemicals causing these and surely GBL seems to come under this category.

I know it may not be commonplace, but I am hypersesitive to ssri's, ibuprofen, pencillin and asprin etc etc so it wouldn'tsurprise me if my body had reacted to the 18 month but more frequently year long use off on of GBL could have caused this reaction.

Any thoughts?
 
DXM is OTC as cough syrop, take 60mg twice a day if you want to try it.

More people should try it as they can have major potential and are easy to get.
 
If DXM works out really well for most its a much better option compared to things like baclofen as it actually reduces tolerance instead of causing it itself.
 
If you mean something like Benylin which contains Diphenhydramine hydrochloride etc I can't take that as it makes me hallucinate like I am on acid! The same goes for Nytol which I believe contains the same substance, and I have after effects for days aferwards, to the point where even if I was not drinking or using GBL I wouldn't take them for a cold or sleepas the side effects are worse than my GBL w/d's I know it works for some, but my sensitivity is pretty high, I have used Atarax, but again, terrible dreams and after effects. I also have zopiclone 7.5mg so a stash of meds really (long story).

I'll backtrack to the baclofen question and the lik to pesticides etc and is this why I have developed lumps that have led to a health scare and then reoccured.

Thanks.
 
All I can see from the linked thread is robitusson cough syrup. Is that DMX the doses seem high in coparison to my propanolol and diazepam, or the baclofen I enquired about.
Regarding the mematime, I don't really think I should dabble with that as it refers on that thread to amphetamine withdrawal which I do not have but i DO take under a prescription fpr a neurodevelopmental brain disorder. The last thing I want to do is make that worse.
I'm feeling a bit out of my depth with new chemicals thrown in the mix LOL sorry!
 
Is that DMX the doses seem high in coparison to my propanolol and diazepam, or the baclofen I enquired about.
That doesnt matter, 60mg twice a day is the perfect dose for drug tolerance while being pretty much non active itself.

Memantine is simular to DXM.
 
Re the post by MeDieVile that stuff would interfere with my standard prescription meds but thanks anyway.

It sucks being strung out, I have sympothy for you guys.

Is it safe to consume GBL that is 98% pure? And how do I measure this out?

Most decent GBL is 98-99% pure so yes.
Regarding masuring it out are you talking about tapering off from long term use or have you not used it before? Whatever you do DO NOT use alcohol or other CNS depressants/anti histamines etc.

If you are thinking of starting then read some of the thread as it's great to start with, but very easy to get the yumminess for it and spiral.

I started off with a small teeny 0.5 dose. consider body weight, but less is more and wait between re-dosing. BE CAREFUL.

Think and read this thread, it'll stand you in good stead. Try not to use regularly, not sure if you are a starting user or asking re tapering sorry for my lack of comprehension, will help in anyway you can. GBL also (I've read) lessens potency over time, but not sure how this'd be validated or offset.

Here to help-loadsa friendly and non judgemental people on this thread so you are in the right place.

Re measuring go to a chemist and get a dropper with 0.5 measures to use in 1 or x2 or x3 in terms of tolerance. OR go into a pharmacy and buy several syringes (without needles obviously) for accurately measuring out medication. You can by these for infants or just ask for standard syringes without needles, say that you have a rabbit you need to give medication to accurately because of the size of the animal. If they query it say said rabbit chewed the syrige as you left it laying around and it's a house rabbit (this is believable as happened to someone I know LOL) Hope that helps.

WHATEVER you do don't guess the dose!!!!!!! It's dangerous as so easily overdone.

Also be aware it increases your need to pee, so if you are staying out and OD you riskan embarrassing situation!
 
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Equally what is the effectiveness of Baclofen in comparison to diazepam, and propanolol.
Massively more effective. You can pretty much wipe out the withdrawal, with the correct dose. As already stated, however, you must taper off the baclofen fast, or you'll have to withdraw from that, which while it isn't as bad as G withdrawal, it's still nasty.

Shambles: I had no idea that ket would be that effective. I was told by someone that the lowering of tolerance to drugs using ket isn't true. There is plenty of evidence to suggest it really does, though. You learn something new...
 
^ Hey Treacle I know you don't know me but, I took a year hiatus from BL and remember reading a lot of your posts last year. Not seeing you around made me wonder/worry (strange to say "worry" to someone you don't actually know) if you were dead (no offence lol but on this forum you just never know sadly :(). Good to know you're still around :).
Ha, thanks for the concern. I'm always around, just not always posting. I'm a good boy now, so hopefully I'll be around for a lot longer! :)
 
No need to be so hostile.
Paul, I think you'll find that bluelight has been burnt so many times by journalists and the media that the members are very hostile and unwilling to help out. Good luck and i wish the best to you if your show will truly be fair and balanced.
 
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