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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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dee_dee said:
yeah ive been out recentley, and ive seen people swallowing little nail wipes, u can buy them in a well known uk high street chemist chain apprently.

not my bag though, ive find it highly amusing the lengths people will go to

i was offered two nail wipes to swallow the other week, lol.

i thought id heard it all

anyway, i politley declined, and said thank you anyway :)
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yeah i know someone who occasionally uses the nail pads in water, although he researched all the other ingredients and there is nothing toxic in them, just a horrific taste.
 
GeeMeeUpp said:
Constantly, like dosing every 2 hours and to sleep. Also would a few beers help or hinder?
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I think Ive read that alcohol helps. But I don't know how long your W/D symptoms will last. Don't overdo the alcohol, you don't wanna be hungover whilst still withdrawing.
 
GeeMeeUpp said:
Constantly, like dosing every 2 hours and to sleep. Also would a few beers help or hinder?
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If your symptoms are indeed just mild, then you'll be fine after a couple of days. When you are able to sleep and eat without taking G first, then you're out of the woods. A few beers would certainly help with mild symptoms. Just try not to carry on taking G, as you might be in for a much nastier surprise.
 
ok im finally of the g...but heavily dose on baclofen.. 40mg every 2 hrs... does anybody know how to taper off baclofen ? been taking it for 6 weeks now, been a great way of reducing the spooks from g withdrawl, now worrying about a crash from baclofen? I converted from gbl to ghb and tapered from there, been smooth had a few strange days, nothing like kicking g cold. i feel good, stronger, switched, although with regrets about how fucked up ive been over the past 2 years, man i was a mess. Ive lost weight, lost my belly and i wake up in the morning feeling so so sweet, better than ive ever felt. funnly enough, the g has educated me, i have learned a lot, not all bad. I realise now, just how importaint life is, how much benality is richly interesting... and how much i admire anyone in a fix! I am deep in debt now, long term relation on the rocks, but somehow, now i have weathered this storm, its a new begining. I can sort me debt out, and im sure in my new frame of mind, i can bring my love back to me. the main thing is i can think again, feel again....god, back to my question, anyone experienced in tapering baclofen?
 
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Hi everyone.

I'm not too sure but someone might remember me from this thread. 6 months ago I went through my third, and most hellish withdrawal.
By the end I was needing about 1.5ml gbl/hour to avoid the pain and ended up in hospital.

It was a the most difficult process I have ever been through and in the end the whole wd took around a month til I was feeling half normal again.
I was on baclofen for another 6 weeks after that and even after three months I still wasnt right. I had terrible muscle spasms that caused me a lot of pain and would be exhausted after a 15 minute walk.
The spasms have now subsided but my muscles still havent returned to normal. The doctors believe there is some nerve issue that will probably take around 2 years to fully return to normal. They are really just guessing though as they did not have any/much experience with such lasting issues from gbl abuse.

The good news is the progress is slow but steady. Every month they feel a little bit better than before and I have faith it will eventually go away.

I wanted to write this as an encouragement to others. it took ~2000mg diazepam and ~1500mg baclofen and about 6 months but I am really feeling like myself again. I have not touched g since and now dont even feel the need. My confidence was ruined but finally has returned and I am so glad to finally be rid of it from my life.

Good luck
 
Thanks for the update, Valleyman. Glad to hear it's going (reasonably) well for you but not so good on the nerve thing. Vitamin B can help with G-related nerve issues a lot. If there really is a big problem it's probably not gonna be a magic bullet but it is a godsend for more minor nerve annoyances from overdoing the Guice and may help at least somewhat. Made a big difference to me and others that I know of so would recommend giving it a go if you aren't already taking any B vit supplements.
 
I don't doubt it but as B vitamins seem to cure it (for me) I think they are worth a try :)

Actually, I mostly use it for the cramps I tend to get whilst using G heavily. As mentioned many times, I don't have much in the way of problems when I stop heavy use anyway. I just take a bog-standard multivitamin daily and it's pretty much stopped all the cramps (and occasional shakes) I used to get when on a G run.
 
Good for you!

I only wish you well, G, isFUCKING awesome, but it also effects your personality, and the people that love you can see that, keep going and you will know how bad it hurts when your out.



DS_ said:
I am feeling warmth. Fuck you withdrawals.
I want to socialise. Fuck you withdrawals.
I am going to take stimulants. Fuck you withdrawals.
FUCK YOU.

Monday morning I intended to wake up fine. Get rid of my GBL and that'll be the end of this shit. I've shown my self 13+ times that I can't be trusted with GBL. FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUU!
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There's been a lot of denial on my part as to the significance of the impact something that started out so good has stolen so much of my life. Erroded my personality and self confidence and exacerbated my anxiety and made high levels of paranoia. I cut it out for 2 weeks once and was amazes, complacency set in & I started up again. I'm like a shell and can only agree with what KevNKC say. I don't use any other drugs (except prescribed methylphenidate), and for me adding alcohol into the equation made things doubly horrendous. I take major suppliments and have beta blockers and diazepam, but the overall change in my ability to cope with life and my optimistic personality is the main loss. I realise it affects so many people differently, but it has damaged relationships as well as me. I have had a couple of serious traumatic events (non g related) which wouldn't have helped, but the way I dealt with them was altered just by me using G.

It's just a personal observation take from it what you will. Esp new users
 
Right, Im off the GBL forever now.
Since sunday I have been dosing 24/7. I didn't even realise what a flid I was being until yesterday evening. This morning I woke up took one dose, measured out one more then flushed the rest.
Probably for the best, even though I wasn't physically addicted to it it was affecting my life badly. Thats one drug I shan't be using again.
 
alexg said:
ok im finally of the g...but heavily dose on baclofen.. 40mg every 2 hrs... does anybody know how to taper off baclofen ? been taking it for 6 weeks now, been a great way of reducing the spooks from g withdrawl, now worrying about a crash from baclofen? I converted from gbl to ghb and tapered from there, been smooth had a few strange days, nothing like kicking g cold. i feel good, stronger, switched, although with regrets about how fucked up ive been over the past 2 years, man i was a mess. Ive lost weight, lost my belly and i wake up in the morning feeling so so sweet, better than ive ever felt. funnly enough, the g has educated me, i have learned a lot, not all bad. I realise now, just how importaint life is, how much benality is richly interesting... and how much i admire anyone in a fix! I am deep in debt now, long term relation on the rocks, but somehow, now i have weathered this storm, its a new begining. I can sort me debt out, and im sure in my new frame of mind, i can bring my love back to me. the main thing is i can think again, feel again....god, back to my question, anyone experienced in tapering baclofen?
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Add in DXM and taper of baclofen.
 
ozzie psych report

Transform said:
Thanks, that was really interesting but there didn't seem to be any mention of sexual behaviour?
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I can't find the original paper now, but it mentioned that some long term users had personality changes, and would start visiting strip clubs etc, places where they would never had an interest ing.

I'll keep looking.
 
pontifex01 said:
I second that - B6 and B12 depletion occurs both in alcoholics and heavy G users, and is what leads to the shakes etc. (I believe B6 deficiency specifically is responsible for the shakes) - you can buy super-concentrated doses at a health store/the intranets, recommended over standard multivits because B's are water-soluble anyway and won't accumulate in your system, so they're safe to take in large quantities :).

Also if you're suffering from muscle tension/cramps you'll want to take a magnesium/potassium supplement, it made a massive difference for me when I was heavily abusing zolpidem a few years ago.

Honestly do give these supplements a go man, they can make a world of difference and help speed up recovery.
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Also Thiamin, or vit B1 as its called. Thats what heavy drinkers get off their GP, and they inject you with daily when you're inhouse for a booze detox. But for G vit b12 seems to be the major one that is stripped out of your body, but it mullers all the b's. So that's vit b1, b6 and most importantly b12.
 
alexg said:
ok im finally of the g...but heavily dose on baclofen.. 40mg every 2 hrs... does anybody know how to taper off baclofen ? been taking it for 6 weeks now, been a great way of reducing the spooks from g withdrawl, now worrying about a crash from baclofen? I converted from gbl to ghb and tapered from there, been smooth had a few strange days, nothing like kicking g cold. i feel good, stronger, switched, although with regrets about how fucked up ive been over the past 2 years, man i was a mess. Ive lost weight, lost my belly and i wake up in the morning feeling so so sweet, better than ive ever felt. funnly enough, the g has educated me, i have learned a lot, not all bad. I realise now, just how importaint life is, how much benality is richly interesting... and how much i admire anyone in a fix! I am deep in debt now, long term relation on the rocks, but somehow, now i have weathered this storm, its a new begining. I can sort me debt out, and im sure in my new frame of mind, i can bring my love back to me. the main thing is i can think again, feel again....god, back to my question, anyone experienced in tapering baclofen?
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just extend the dosing times to begin with, adding in an hour each day, then reducing the dose, then once settled on that, extend dosing times. or you can switch straight to prebgabalin and use that instead for a week, then reduce dose over three days then stop. or take one at night for a week, reducing dosage, then stop. but i've found switching to pregab i could stop in a week.

stick with it. but the baclofen comes with horrors of its own if you cold turkey it. nightmares especially, and bad shaking and terror during the day.

good luck
 
And if you must take G, do the conversion to GHB and do yourself a massive favour. All you need are mini scales and caustic soda. The instructions are easily googled. It will save you a lot of grief.
 
I've never really understood why people are so keen to advise converting to GHB over just using GBL as it is. Personal preference I can understand but from a safety standpoint I've yet to hear any good reason why it should make any difference beyond preference really.

Also, that Aussie study that suggest use of G leads to a higher incidence of visiting strip clubs sounds somewhat unlikely really. And that's being kind to it. Even if it did (which it doesn't) why would that be a huge problem? Plenty peeps who never used G in their lives go to strip clubs too. I use mucho guice on occasion and can't say the thought of going to a strip club is any more appealing now then it ever wasn't, to be honest.
 
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