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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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An update.

Using the same dosage as I typically had, and increasing the timespan between each dose (when the withdrawals start getting uncomfortable), seem to be working pretty well. I used to get shivers only after 3 hours after the last dose, but that has been reduced to a slght benign anxiety. I am sure if I wait enough it will get worser but at least if I continue in the same way as I do now I can get completely gibbles free in a few weeks, hopefully 1.

Hope this can help someone out there, I recommend you trying this if you have enough self control.
 
I found that it absolutely never worked for me. Perhaps after so many WDs, it just doesn't. I would say that it works for some, but not if you've heavily abused the stuff for years.
 
I know this has been discussed before in this thread,but doesn't phenibut completely block G withdrawals? It's easily obtainable [when in stock] and you don't have the hassle of seeing doctors. Am i right in thinking the worst of G withdrawals lasts a couple of days? If so then surely this can be avoided by taking say half a gram of phenny three times a day for two days thus also avoiding any withdrawal issues from phenibut,getting you over the worst.

I never had had withdrawal issues from G due to rather erratic but sometimes reckless use. After weekend binges,monday morning would involve taking my syringe and bottle to work in fear of withdrawals kicking in. They never ,but i still ended up taking some anyway. I will say though that phenibut has snapped at my ankles a couple of times and it's extremely unpleasant. Never use more for more than two days at a time and have at least a five day washout. Sorry if this has all been covered previously.
 
GBL Abuse

Firstly, hello to all the posters here, been a valuble source of information to me.

I am a 24/7 GBL user, 25-30ml a day, my dosing pattern is a little odd, 1-1.5ml every hour then a 7-10ml through the night to get some sleep, usually 4 hours on a good night.

Been 24/7 for 8 months now, started taking GBL as it made me a much nore sociable person.... I thing we all have for that same reason.

Came clean about my addiction to my partner about 6 months ago, my stash was poured down the sink, fortunately I had reserves seperate but I still had to go 2 days before I could get to it. 1 day on a very long boat trip! 2 days of hell. The visisble shaking freaked my partner out. The Skin crawling physical and mental withdrawls were torture! I fel like I was really going to die

The 3rd day was no better so I decided to redose and here I am just topping up like a bum

No sensation anymore, just a matter of keeping the shakes away... and the devil from repossession

I am determined to get off this and have just bought some Baclofen from the USA, just hoping trhat customes dont get it, as locking me up in a cell with no GBL would be the end of me

I went to a drug clinic, the had not heard of GBL, was sent by them to a Doc, he had never heard of it and was given Escotilopram.. No use

I tried a break befor xmas, just a test with high doses of Complex B-Vits, very strange but it did actuall delay withdrawl and when I did take GBL it had a lesser effect, but again sleep was a big problem.

Due to this forum I found out info about Baclofen, so that should be here 10th Jan. I am hoping for a quick taper then a step down from Baclofen. Although it all sounds to good to be true

Peaple are really starting to notice a change in me, I am Apathetic, wont socialise and looked done in all the time. Bad skin, black rings around my eyes, I look like ive aged 10 years in 1 year.

I though GBL was the business, I did my reasearch and the addiction problem was never documented. And it was still legal. I have done many drugs in my time and I have been very proud that I avoided addiction while watching as good friends passed away to drugs. So Im pretty disappointed in myself

As I said, Iam determined to kick this, I can see a beautiful life on the other side of this and I want it back
 
May be worth your while asking your doctor for Baclofen too - it's not considered abusable and is pretty easy to get a script for, Especially if you have a reasonably understanding doc and explain your situation to him.

Good luck with the taper and w/d and welcome to EADD and BL in general :)
 
Don't be disappointed in yourself Alex, It happens to the best of us. I've seen it in life and I've seen it in many of experienced BL'ers. You'll get through this I promise.


Can I spare one bit of advice though? Seeing as you've already told your partner about this and she so ignorantly ( a crude but accurate word ) poured it out, she's well aware of your vice. Ask her to read this thread. Support will always help see people through much better than going it alone. Anyone here will be more than willing to offer her help and support so that she may better support you.


I wish you the best of luck. Let us know how you get on.
 
Firstly, hello to all the posters here, been a valuble source of information to me.

I am a 24/7 GBL user, 25-30ml a day, my dosing pattern is a little odd, 1-1.5ml every hour then a 7-10ml through the night to get some sleep, usually 4 hours on a good night.
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Did you get my PM mate?
 
SnrG

hi ruff, I'll shoot you a pm in a minute. i keep forgetting how to find threads i've posted on! i'm crap with computers.

later
Snr8o

Got your message thanks for taking the time.

SnrG so sorry but I can't respond to your PM. I still have to post more which is hard to ecru posts when my laptop is playing up. I have written a response so hopefully get there in the end.

For everyone who advised me effie treacle and yourself my bloods came thru ok but I spend shed loads of money to compensate for the persistent GBL use and didn't drink 2 weeks prior to going. Have hammered it over Xmas on both adrun out of supps too anxious to go out to buy them!!!

It's now likely I'm going to get referred for a CAT scan and an MRI scan (for 2 different health conditions) will it show fatty liver? I hate drinking anyway it's just become embroiled in the GBL w/d process. I have got diazepam now tho, so is that the way forward, I'm taking valerian hops etc and 1 Kalms for anxiety, butlast night conked out to a frightening levels of everything, have take that amount before.

Trying to space the gaps out and reduce amounts I do have propanolol but not sure which is better that or valium which I also have. Also pouring detox andsleep aid tea down me like there's no tomorrow. Put off going to the Dr's for more tests afew times as well. Need to get clean quick so I can get there by 9th Jan..............

Thanks for everyones input and hope you had a good time over Christmas with minimal impact or none atall.
 
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Hey, glad your blood tests were ok :)

Fatty liver would show up on CT/MRI yes.. it's an entirely reversible condition though so can be a good kick-up-the-bum find in people who drink quite a bit. It's so easy replacing one vice with a different one, go easy on yourself, no good replacing one addiction for another..

If you main anxiety issues are physical (shaking, light headed, heart racing, that kind of thing) then propranolol can work well. Doesn't have much impact on the psychological side of things, unless calming down the physical symptoms also calms down your mind.. diazepam is great for short term treatment of anxiety but def not good in the long term, you don't want benzo addiction and rebound anxiety making things worse.

There are plenty of people with better G withdrawal knowledge than me, so I won't try to give any advice for that side of things..

Good luck making it to the docs, never good to put these things off, will only make you more anxious! Best of luck :)
 
I wouldn't worry about increasing the gaps between dosing, just the dose amount. I think it is fine to combine propanalol with diazepam. I would keep a steady dose of propanolol (due to its non-addictive nature) and just reduce the Diazepam dose. If you are still Ging through out just focus on reducing the dose, and not the gaps between when you are beginning to withdraw.

You should convert to GHB asap to greatly easy the w/d process. Sorry i didn't have time to fully read into your circumstances, but I hope that helps :)
 
Yeah you are right can't see any problems with using propranolol with diazepam, makes sense about taking steady propranolol and reducing diaz :) hope the propranolol helps, seems to get mixed reviews in situations like this but it should help racing heart etc
 
So in the end I accidentally dropped the gbl into the sink and all of it went poof. I paniced there for a moment and expected hell to be dragged down upon earth, but no.. man, that wasnt bad at all. With alocohol i helped making the worst symptoms manageable, but I hated that moment I saw a local homeless man getting an absence seizure while I was walking... wich made me panicky and paranoid that this was some kinda sign to me meaning Ill have one soon too... but yes, I am a paranoid mess for the most of the time.

Now I only have slightly heavy limbs and exercising has made the worst to barely noticeable. Dont need neither the alcohol and propranolol. I bought some valerian root instead which is actually damn recent in 10x the recommended dose which is suggested on the label.

All praise exercise, and now I am officially going clean.
 
Neeeeed hellllppppp!!!! Pleaaaase

i have been doin gbl for about a month and a half and im not quite sure my dose but i get 75 ml of g and put it in a powerade bottle it has lasted me the longest of a week with everyday use and the past 13 days it has been 24/7 because of massive headaches (could they be cause by the G) i need to get off of it cause i think they are causing the headaches so what medicine that you dont need a prescription for would help?
i already have a lil ambien left and alot of tramadol
please let me know ASAP
thank you
 
If anyone is interested:
Addiction Journal
http://www.addictionjournal.org/viewpressrelease.asp?pr=145

Withdrawal from popular ‘party drug’ GBL can be severe and requires extensive medication and monitoring, research from the UK’s only Party Drugs Clinic has found.
Dr James Bell, head of the Party Drugs Clinic at the South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust (SLaM), said his own experiences in the clinic showed that GBL withdrawal should be viewed as a medical emergency.

Dr Bell co-authored the report, GBL dependence and withdrawal, with Mr Rodney Collins, a postgraduate student at Kings College London. The report is currently available online and is soon to be published in Addiction, the leading UK academic journal on substance and addiction issues.
Dr Bell argues that in dependent, “round-the-clock” users, GBL withdrawal can be a life-threatening condition. People presenting in withdrawal require immediate treatment utilising appropriate medication.

“Health professionals are well aware of the dependence and withdrawal issues around drugs such as heroin and alcohol,” Dr Bell explained.
“It is generally assumed that the so-called ‘party drugs’ do not have the same intensely addictive qualities, nor do they require a monitored, medicated withdrawal process.”
“My experience in the clinic shows that this is not the case. With GBL in particular, dependent users experience severe and traumatic withdrawal when regular use is stopped.”

Most users at Dr Bell’s clinic downplayed the dangers associated with GBL and other party drugs. They generally used GBL for three main purposes – to achieve social confidence, facilitate sexual activity and to treat insomnia. Most began using it as a party drug then used higher doses to induce sleep, quickly resulting in ‘round-the-clock’ dependence.
Dr Bell said the majority of his patients are well-educated, socially integrated young people who prefer the person they become when using GBL.

“Ironically, while GBL may initially result in increased confidence and sociability, most dependent users said they became ‘drones’ – introverted, unmotivated and unable to maintain contact with relatives and non-GBL using friends.”

Gamma-butyrolactone (GBL), is a case study in legal highs. GBL is a liquid used in paint stripper and nail varnish. Used recreationally, GBL enhances confidence and sociability and reduces sexual inhibitions. In higher does, it induces sleep. Its potency makes it incredibly easy to accidentally overdose. One milligram brings on euphoria, while just one and a half milligrams induces sleep.

Many users overdose inadvertently and a small proportion progress to dependence. On trying to stop, users can experience severe withdrawal symptoms, and withdrawal can be life threatening. Throughout 2009, most GPs and drug services knew nothing of GBL, and were unable to offer treatment.
Dr Bell said his patients had all experienced difficulty in getting help with their GBL dependence.

“Most of my patients had initially sought help from their GPs, many of whom were unaware of GBL and the consequences of prolonged use. As a result, the majority are self-referred, having heard about the clinic through the press, friends or a counselling service,” Dr Bell explained.
“Too often, GBL users only receive medical help after turning up in crisis at an emergency department, generally having overdosed.”

In late 2009, SLaM opened the UK’s first specialist national GBL withdrawal programme at their Party Drugs Clinic. The decision to offer a specialist service for GHB and GBL dependence followed a significant rise in the number of overdoses, with one South London hospital receiving more than three GBL or GHB overdoses every week in 2009.
In the 12 months since opening, the clinic has treated more than 30 people for GBL dependence. All but three have successfully completed outpatient detoxification, but most reported anxiety, panic attacks and insomnia after they had stopped GBL use, and in most cases it generally took several weeks for patients to show no signs of withdrawal symptoms. Some relapsed during the withdrawal period, demonstrating the need for ongoing care.

GBL was the subject of widespread media attention last year, until it was classified as a Class C drug in December 2009. Users report that the ban has had little effect, with GBL is still readily available for same day delivery, from internet sites outside the UK.

“Despite the ban, GBL is still inexpensive and accessible. GPs and emergency departments will continue to see cases of GBL dependence and withdrawal,” Dr Bell said.
“It is important that healthcare professionals, especially GPs, gain a better understanding of GBL dependence, and recognise that specialist services, like our Party Drugs Clinic, are available.”

Dr Bell said most patients at his clinic were dismayed to discover they had become dependent in just a few months or sometimes weeks, not believing so-called party drugs had addictive qualities.
“Patients frequently lament, ‘I didn’t know it was addictive’. Most doctors and policy makers are equally unaware that these new drugs can be addictive, and withdrawal can be life threatening.”

SLaM’s Party Drugs Clinic is open to anyone from across the United Kingdom and offers specialist treatment and withdrawal for people with GBL or GHB dependence, mephedrone misuse, methamphetamine misuse, and party drug dependence.
 
^It's about fucking time. The fact that hardly any doctors or A&E staff know anything about G is shocking. Any medical staff should be sent for training on how to deal with different substances. Doctors that think G is actually a form of MDMA, for example (due to the nickname liquid ecstasy), should just be shot.
 
just to upadte every body, my Baclofen arrived yesterday. I experemented with some 10mg doses to start evey 2 hours with my usual g dosing. around midnight I was feeling a little odd but really tired. went bed at 1 and slep quite well for a change.

Woke this morning and what I noticed was silence..sweet silence, no banging ears or heart wating to get my morning dose, really peaceful. No panic to rush up and get my morning dose.

Its now 1700 hours and I have been taking Baclofen 10mg every 2 hours but have only been taking my normal g (i.5ml every hour) every 2.5 hours. As well as that I feel so much better. Dont feel the urge to drink brandy. I was panicing the other night about a trip to London next week, getting G through security, but im sure I can probably taper right off by then.

I feel so much more relaxed, was at the point at the end of the week where the G wasnt even taking the shakes away. Best thing I have done getting Baclofen. I know its early days but I can see light at the end of the tunnel now. I feel that I can get out of the G trap and I am never ever goin back to it. I nice long taper off Baclofen.

This may seem a bit too much information, but im eating and tasting my food, I had a natural bowel movement and I woke up this morning with an erection! Sorry about this but anyone who has and addiction to G will understand that

Anyway I will keep you posted on my progress, and thanks everyone for the messages of support, they mean a lot to me
 
I'd kick the G out of the equation, sharpish. Using both at the same time will downregulate receptors at an alarming speed. One or the other. Never both.
 
Taking something like ketamine during G withdrawal sounds like a very unpleasant idea.
 
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