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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread
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yeah, i basically drugged myself into oblivion. I woke up like two hours after falling asleep(that same old gbl trap), told my brain "OH NO YOU DON'T!", took another couple of valium's and called it a night. i've been sleeping away most days since then, but i think i needed it. it's day six now. i feel back to normal.
there is hope! all of you, you will be okay!
there is hope! all of you, you will be okay!
FlippingTop
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you are lucky that your WD did not last longer, for others that are addicted I recommend swapping over to GHB (very easy to make from GBL), and then use benzo's or whatever if needed.
SnrG
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It's a strange substance.
Don't listen to people who say 'oh you can do it every day for weeks and you'll be fine' because you might one day suddenly find yourself feeling sick as a dog with mad anxiety, tension and a ridiculously stiff neck and chest...
I saw an insightful post on drug-forum (shhh!) where someone said G is a substance best kept to a couple of times a week and no more. Regular use is really not a good road to go down and you quickly lose the buzz.
GBL used to give me euphoria not far off MDMA. If I was to have some now I'd get a brief nice buzz then just feel kind of monged out.[/QUOTE]
Yep, agree wholeheartedly about G being a strange substance. After I detoxed from it in the hospital, I lasted about three weeks, before I got another bottle. I took about four 3ml doses, and got an initial high, then got super angry and had a massive row with the significant other. I booked a flight to visit family for 0700 the next morning. I took another big hit of G (I think it was about 10ml), and woke up about 2 in the morning. I was totally confused, and couldnt find where I'd stashed the bottle. I didnt know what day it was.
My sig other searched and found the bottle, and poured it. I've not had any since, although I do get strong cravings for it. However, my previous use has always ended up with 24/7 doses, although before detox I managed to reduce the size of the dose, and wasn't as fucked as I'd been before. The cravings though were insane, and I would always be thinking of the next dose, and was literally stoned all the time.
It can't be stressed enough, that when habituation occurs and tolerance to low doses, taking a double or triple dose will have you on your arse. I also had the heart stopping when I was in a proper coma from G, and had to be resuscitated a few times. I lost count of the number of times I came to in hospital with no idea of how I'd got there. I'd wake up confused, and usually very hungry, and would always try to leave the hospital, but I wasnt allowed to.
Strange stuff indeed.
It's a strange substance.
Don't listen to people who say 'oh you can do it every day for weeks and you'll be fine' because you might one day suddenly find yourself feeling sick as a dog with mad anxiety, tension and a ridiculously stiff neck and chest...
I saw an insightful post on drug-forum (shhh!) where someone said G is a substance best kept to a couple of times a week and no more. Regular use is really not a good road to go down and you quickly lose the buzz.
GBL used to give me euphoria not far off MDMA. If I was to have some now I'd get a brief nice buzz then just feel kind of monged out.[/QUOTE]
Yep, agree wholeheartedly about G being a strange substance. After I detoxed from it in the hospital, I lasted about three weeks, before I got another bottle. I took about four 3ml doses, and got an initial high, then got super angry and had a massive row with the significant other. I booked a flight to visit family for 0700 the next morning. I took another big hit of G (I think it was about 10ml), and woke up about 2 in the morning. I was totally confused, and couldnt find where I'd stashed the bottle. I didnt know what day it was.
My sig other searched and found the bottle, and poured it. I've not had any since, although I do get strong cravings for it. However, my previous use has always ended up with 24/7 doses, although before detox I managed to reduce the size of the dose, and wasn't as fucked as I'd been before. The cravings though were insane, and I would always be thinking of the next dose, and was literally stoned all the time.
It can't be stressed enough, that when habituation occurs and tolerance to low doses, taking a double or triple dose will have you on your arse. I also had the heart stopping when I was in a proper coma from G, and had to be resuscitated a few times. I lost count of the number of times I came to in hospital with no idea of how I'd got there. I'd wake up confused, and usually very hungry, and would always try to leave the hospital, but I wasnt allowed to.
Strange stuff indeed.
eclipsedesign
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Think I'm gonna get me some more for the festival season. It is a good unit.
Full Effect
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Cheapest thing going by miles. 
And superb fun in the summer, euphoric long days here we come.
And superb fun in the summer, euphoric long days here we come.
Mind_Movie
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36 hours now (ghb).
Last night I kept waking up, sleep was very strange. Every half-hour or something I would wake up, but i still had dreams and sleep was very light (I wasn't ever sure if i did sleep, but the clock kept jumping 30-60 minutes so I guess I had some.)
Sort of when you wake up in the morning but decide to close your eyes again for a quick extra dream.
Extreme cravings but im sorta okay now.
Last night I kept waking up, sleep was very strange. Every half-hour or something I would wake up, but i still had dreams and sleep was very light (I wasn't ever sure if i did sleep, but the clock kept jumping 30-60 minutes so I guess I had some.)
Sort of when you wake up in the morning but decide to close your eyes again for a quick extra dream.
Extreme cravings but im sorta okay now.
Mind_Movie
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and fail at ~ 40 hours 
65daysofstatic
Bluelighter
Benzos take away all GBL withdrawal for me. The only bad thing is after heavy GBL use I'm left depressed for a while, no matter how much valium I have. The depression/isolation can be quite horrible, worse than any comedown.
Last time I did GBL I also decided to force myself to never redose in the middle of the night and this helped keep things a bit better controlled. I'd wake up about 3 or 4am wide awake sometimes but I'd just lie until I fell asleep again then start GBL again in the morning.
I plan to continue using GBL on and off with benzos for after. Luckily I don't find benzos remotely recreational so they don't have the same abuse potential. I only ever take them to dig myself out of holes, so to speak...
PS - With my last GBL 100ml bottle after a few days of relatively heavy use (anything between 10-20ml a day) I was getting virtually no positive effects from it anymore and I actually feel better right now sober (now that the post GBL depression seems to have gone). Does the magic ever come back? I seem to enjoy it in conjunction with other drugs namely stims and the first dose of the day usually provides some pleasure but this drug just seems to have totally lost it, even when I have breaks. I probably prefer alcohol to GBL now. For a drug that once seemed to have all pros and no cons, its fast having no pros and all cons for me.
Then again, abuse any drug and the postives will soon dwindle.
Oh one last thing, as with regular abuse with any drug, the boredom once you stop is unbelievable and I'm often close to drinking during the day or doing other drugs. I always feared that regular GBL use would one day lead to me being an alcoholic.
Last time I did GBL I also decided to force myself to never redose in the middle of the night and this helped keep things a bit better controlled. I'd wake up about 3 or 4am wide awake sometimes but I'd just lie until I fell asleep again then start GBL again in the morning.
I plan to continue using GBL on and off with benzos for after. Luckily I don't find benzos remotely recreational so they don't have the same abuse potential. I only ever take them to dig myself out of holes, so to speak...
PS - With my last GBL 100ml bottle after a few days of relatively heavy use (anything between 10-20ml a day) I was getting virtually no positive effects from it anymore and I actually feel better right now sober (now that the post GBL depression seems to have gone). Does the magic ever come back? I seem to enjoy it in conjunction with other drugs namely stims and the first dose of the day usually provides some pleasure but this drug just seems to have totally lost it, even when I have breaks. I probably prefer alcohol to GBL now. For a drug that once seemed to have all pros and no cons, its fast having no pros and all cons for me.
Then again, abuse any drug and the postives will soon dwindle.
Oh one last thing, as with regular abuse with any drug, the boredom once you stop is unbelievable and I'm often close to drinking during the day or doing other drugs. I always feared that regular GBL use would one day lead to me being an alcoholic.
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65daysofstatic
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Whilst I just said that benzos cancel out GBL withdrawals, you have to do it in a controlled and tapered manner.
If you just knock yourself out with a shit load of benzos all you'll really do is delay the withdrawal and get hit with huge rebound anxiety. There are lots of complicated gaba interactions.
That's what happened with me.
Full Effect
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Yeah I restarted in April(after a four month gap) and had extreme euphoria again from it, not quite as much as the first time I started but roughly say 80% worth, I have also always found the 1st 10ml always pretty good(even after long term use) but then post 10ml the doses just tend to mong me out, albeit with decent music appreciation, I really think using over 10ml a day is pretty much pointless and I am getting round to thinking that it's best to go with 2 weeks of use then 2 weeks off to help maintain the euphoria.
Man, that's the truth. Been off of GBL ten days now, and extreme anxiety and depersonalization set in as soon as i ran out of the diazepam they gave me. Now i'm not getting any sleep, and the only time i feel like I'm not going completely fucking crazy is when i'm drinking. So, drunk or insane? At least drunk is familiar.
PS: I've never met anybody besides myself that's been addicted to this. My attempts at getting professional help have been met with complete ignorance and confusion. Just knowing that you all are out there, and that you have experienced what I have experienced is helping me through a really tough time. This is a rare addiction, and reading all of your reports makes me feel less lonely and desperate. How could I get any of my loved ones to support me through my withdrawal from a chemical they've never even heard of? I am sincerely thanking each of you for sharing.
Try and get some exercise. It really helped me cope with the anxiety once the diazepam scripts ran their course. The alternative - me hiding under the covers in my room a quivering, self-pitying mess. Anyway, good luck. The anxiety does pass in time.
Full Effect
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Maybe try and get some gabbapentin or pregabalin if anxiety is really bad ?
^GABA doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier, or if it does, it's not enough to do anything.
Pregabalin is certainly worth pursuing, but you might have to buy it online, rather than getting it from your doctor, who will want to know why you want it.
It can't be long now before you start feeling better. That first night's full sleep is so satisfying.
Pregabalin is certainly worth pursuing, but you might have to buy it online, rather than getting it from your doctor, who will want to know why you want it.
It can't be long now before you start feeling better. That first night's full sleep is so satisfying.
65daysofstatic
Bluelighter
The exercise recommendation above is a very good one.
I seem to just withdraw from gaba in general. Whether I do much benzos, GBL or alcohol, the next day(s) I have horrible anxiety and depersonalisation. There are a lot of gaba interactions. Whenever I take a moderate amount of any gaba substance I suddenly feel normal. Same with exercise which is obviously a better solution.
From now on I'm just going to look at gaba substances as essentially one drug. Whenever one wears off I feel like crap. When I was younger and binge drank more often out in town I used to feel so ill the next day that I didn't understand how some people can function with hangovers. Now I'm realising that when I drink a lot it's not hangovers I'm experiencing, it's withdrawals. And low and behold, moderate doses of valium or GBL tend to kill these 'hangovers'.
A few weeks ago I had a week or 2 off all gabas and suddenly started losing all the anxiety by the end. The problem is boredom but there is light at the end of the tunnel.
I've spent the last year tricking myself that I beat gaba withdrawals because I was rotating the gaba drugs I was using. That isn't the case at all though. As soon as you stop using anything you get hit with mad anxiety/tension, or at least in my case. I can't even really fully explain what it is I feel, just that it's bloody horrible. I've never even had shakes (maybe once or twice) or proper DT's or anything, it's just all psychological really. I get this feeling of a nail being dragged down a chalkboard and I keep imagining strange things like my brain getting drilled or something and this constant 'impending feeling of doom'.
Does anyone have any idea on a rough amount of valium you could use to taper through GBL withdrawal? All it seems to do is hide the problem. when I use valium I just feel back to square 1 when it wears off.
I seem to just withdraw from gaba in general. Whether I do much benzos, GBL or alcohol, the next day(s) I have horrible anxiety and depersonalisation. There are a lot of gaba interactions. Whenever I take a moderate amount of any gaba substance I suddenly feel normal. Same with exercise which is obviously a better solution.
From now on I'm just going to look at gaba substances as essentially one drug. Whenever one wears off I feel like crap. When I was younger and binge drank more often out in town I used to feel so ill the next day that I didn't understand how some people can function with hangovers. Now I'm realising that when I drink a lot it's not hangovers I'm experiencing, it's withdrawals. And low and behold, moderate doses of valium or GBL tend to kill these 'hangovers'.
A few weeks ago I had a week or 2 off all gabas and suddenly started losing all the anxiety by the end. The problem is boredom but there is light at the end of the tunnel.
I've spent the last year tricking myself that I beat gaba withdrawals because I was rotating the gaba drugs I was using. That isn't the case at all though. As soon as you stop using anything you get hit with mad anxiety/tension, or at least in my case. I can't even really fully explain what it is I feel, just that it's bloody horrible. I've never even had shakes (maybe once or twice) or proper DT's or anything, it's just all psychological really. I get this feeling of a nail being dragged down a chalkboard and I keep imagining strange things like my brain getting drilled or something and this constant 'impending feeling of doom'.
Does anyone have any idea on a rough amount of valium you could use to taper through GBL withdrawal? All it seems to do is hide the problem. when I use valium I just feel back to square 1 when it wears off.
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I believe there are GABA receptors elsewhere than in the brain. When I took 1500mg, I felt quite relaxed, maybe placebo, but if one takes enough of the GABA powder, like 7 grams, there's enough GABA to cross the BBB.
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