Order some phenibut, seriously. It ships from the UK from certain bulk powder sites. Otherwise, you need benzos and booze. Opiates like codeine will also help. The worst will be over in about 3-4 days. Good luck. Sounds like you're through the worst. It's hell, I know.
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brokenbrain
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9 months!
The first time I did 20 days 24/7 I didn't sleep for 4 days and only then after getting drunk. I could sleep without anything on the 7th day.
I can't imagine how long the withdrawals of 9 months use will be. There have been reports of people taking 21 days to recover after only doing 6 weeks 24/7, although in much higher doses than 1ml every 2 hours. Shit the stuff stops working in me at regular dose level after 2 weeks. If I made a concerted effort to keep going I'd end up at some point taking 3ml every 2 hours and 5ml to sleep
The first time I did 20 days 24/7 I didn't sleep for 4 days and only then after getting drunk. I could sleep without anything on the 7th day.
I can't imagine how long the withdrawals of 9 months use will be. There have been reports of people taking 21 days to recover after only doing 6 weeks 24/7, although in much higher doses than 1ml every 2 hours. Shit the stuff stops working in me at regular dose level after 2 weeks. If I made a concerted effort to keep going I'd end up at some point taking 3ml every 2 hours and 5ml to sleep
Please... read my post in the other thread (or moderators - move here) and consider using Pregabalin or even Gabapentin with perhaps Baclofen to help repair those tired old neurons 
These Swim found to be a great help with withdrawals, even allowing him to quit cold turkey with no issues at all. It's in the Gbl Withdrawal thread you find when you search for "Gbl Withdrawal" in Google
These Swim found to be a great help with withdrawals, even allowing him to quit cold turkey with no issues at all. It's in the Gbl Withdrawal thread you find when you search for "Gbl Withdrawal" in Google chrisdahl
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has anybody else experienced visual and auditory hallucinations when withdrawing geeb, i'm talking after a few months off use?
amanitadine
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^ yup......it took a while, i first got guiced up back in 99, before more reports of addiction and withdrawal started filtering in.....took it for a few months all day, culminating in about 10 days of 24/7 use...stopped, and was really anxious, sweaty and greasy, and torrid insomnia.....and then a few yrs ago binged on it again, had pretty decent WD.....now it fucks me up with a few days use, and if i go 24/7 i get full on delusions, auditory hallucinations (sirens, crying, barking, whistles, weeeee!), pretty psychotic. phenibut, baclofen, work WONDERS
chrisdahl
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Likewise, but I don't get the hallucinations after just a few days
I've only had them once whilst withdrawing, and it lasted lasted pretty much for two weeks. I think when some people refer to geeb withdrawal they are, in fact, just feeling lousy after a few days on it.
From past abuse, 24 hours of G use will leave me a massive insomniac wreck for a day or two. One single dose makes me feel like shite for the rest of the day. It got to the point where two days of 24/7 use (with no baclofen/phenibut for after) left me shaking, puking, unable to sleep or eat, and shitting liquid for a few days. The withdrawals get worse every time. Quite like heroin, I believe.
Shambles
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Those w/d sound familiar. But I still got nowt after over a week off the stuff beyond being tired all the time. Heroin ftw 
PS: Am joking - w/d are no fun but I (so far...) seem to brush any G w/d off with barely a shudder. I suspect there must be other factors involved.
PS: Am joking - w/d are no fun but I (so far...) seem to brush any G w/d off with barely a shudder. I suspect there must be other factors involved.
Mind_Movie
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How much time after the last dose before you start withdrawing?
brokenbrain
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A fucking hour!
Multiple factors in here, eg how long taken for, what amounts, how healthy you have been recently.
Personally if I were to do 7 days on and go cold hard painful turkey with zero medication I would hit very severe problems at +7 hours and it would get worse until about +16 hours at which point I could look forward to zero sleep, zero ability to eat, full on auditory hallucinations, and if I forced myself to eat the next day within 4 hours I would get full strength psychosis. Time slowing down and/or speeding up (had parts of a room going about 25% speed with another part going about 300% speed before...but that was around people which is hell on earth).All sorts of intruding thoughts and a fully believable new reality.
My sleep is fucked anyway so after 7 days on I would look forward to no sleep for up to a week.
Wheres my gbl...
Oh yeah I can't afford it.
Multiple factors in here, eg how long taken for, what amounts, how healthy you have been recently.
Personally if I were to do 7 days on and go cold hard painful turkey with zero medication I would hit very severe problems at +7 hours and it would get worse until about +16 hours at which point I could look forward to zero sleep, zero ability to eat, full on auditory hallucinations, and if I forced myself to eat the next day within 4 hours I would get full strength psychosis. Time slowing down and/or speeding up (had parts of a room going about 25% speed with another part going about 300% speed before...but that was around people which is hell on earth).All sorts of intruding thoughts and a fully believable new reality.
My sleep is fucked anyway so after 7 days on I would look forward to no sleep for up to a week.
Wheres my gbl...
Oh yeah I can't afford it.
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chrisdahl
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I've been to the local addiction unit today, and they have decided to script me Valium.
I dislocated my knee yesterday on this stuff when I went under, but popped it back in when I tried to stand up. My right leg is twice the size of my left now, and I can't walk. I'm fucking sick of it!
I dislocated my knee yesterday on this stuff when I went under, but popped it back in when I tried to stand up. My right leg is twice the size of my left now, and I can't walk. I'm fucking sick of it!
amanitadine
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yeah after some use withdrawal sets in it about an hour and a half for me. and its odd, my tolerance was about the same, for a looong time, 2ml every 2 hrs, and then during the last session it rocketed up to needing 4 ml every 2 hrs. after a break it goes down to 2 (for the first dose of two) and then back up to 4 *quickly*. I think Ive blown a cortex! :D
pretty amazing how varied the responses are....shambles gets almost nothing, BB and chrisdahl take a while and get a long slow drawn out withdrawal, Treacle and I get Instant-Hell-withdrawal (tm) immediately. gotta love the guice. Ive actually been off it for longer than in years, a few months. . .,still taking 20 mg baclofen a day....we'll see how that goes. all signs point to it being pretty damn tame in comparison.
pretty amazing how varied the responses are....shambles gets almost nothing, BB and chrisdahl take a while and get a long slow drawn out withdrawal, Treacle and I get Instant-Hell-withdrawal (tm) immediately. gotta love the guice. Ive actually been off it for longer than in years, a few months. . .,still taking 20 mg baclofen a day....we'll see how that goes. all signs point to it being pretty damn tame in comparison.
Treacle,
You seem very knowledgeable (unfortunately) on gbl and withdrawal. I used gbl once a day for about a year with no major problems. Never had any hangover or WD symptoms. Slipped into dosing every 4 hours for a two week period, got addicted, went through withdrawal and 4 days in the hospital.
I am not too knowledgeable in all the brain chemistry here (GABA stuff), and it seems you are.
I've been off the G for 6 weeks. If I were to do G again, would I get WD symptoms? Am I more prone to getting addicted now? Am I (or is my brain) at baseline? Or is something GABA related screwed up now?
I still have GI problems I blame on the G, even though I can't find many other people claiming diarrhea etc. from G. I still have it now, some anxiety too but it is certainly manageable (not those crazy panic attacks anymore). Are these permanent symptoms?
I have some diazepam powder I recently acquired to help with anxiety. I know that benzos and G work on same receptors, so I am I more prone to getting addicted to benzos as well? Should I stay away from them too, and what is a safe dose regiment to not get addicted (IE. 10mg every other day, every few days, 10mg once a day)?
I know I should stay away from G completely but I don't know if I can. You say wd gets worse each time, and that's even scarier. But theoretically, if I were to take G responsibly (18 hrs in between doses), would I be okay? Or is something permanently messed up? Should I stay away from the benzos too?
Basically, I want to smoke weed and do G once a night. Can I, or will it be a disaster?
Thanks in advance for your knowledge, I reach out to you as so little is known about this stuff.
Thanks bro
khem
You seem very knowledgeable (unfortunately) on gbl and withdrawal. I used gbl once a day for about a year with no major problems. Never had any hangover or WD symptoms. Slipped into dosing every 4 hours for a two week period, got addicted, went through withdrawal and 4 days in the hospital.
I am not too knowledgeable in all the brain chemistry here (GABA stuff), and it seems you are
.I've been off the G for 6 weeks. If I were to do G again, would I get WD symptoms? Am I more prone to getting addicted now? Am I (or is my brain) at baseline? Or is something GABA related screwed up now?
I still have GI problems I blame on the G, even though I can't find many other people claiming diarrhea etc. from G. I still have it now, some anxiety too but it is certainly manageable (not those crazy panic attacks anymore). Are these permanent symptoms?
I have some diazepam powder I recently acquired to help with anxiety. I know that benzos and G work on same receptors, so I am I more prone to getting addicted to benzos as well? Should I stay away from them too, and what is a safe dose regiment to not get addicted (IE. 10mg every other day, every few days, 10mg once a day)?
I know I should stay away from G completely but I don't know if I can. You say wd gets worse each time, and that's even scarier. But theoretically, if I were to take G responsibly (18 hrs in between doses), would I be okay? Or is something permanently messed up? Should I stay away from the benzos too?
Basically, I want to smoke weed and do G once a night. Can I, or will it be a disaster?
Thanks in advance for your knowledge, I reach out to you as so little is known about this stuff.
Thanks bro
khem
chrisdahl
Bluelighter
For me I get a few hours of feeling rough after using any amount of geeb for any amount of time, yet this was something that never happened before I first did a detox... It's the same with GHB aswell.
Yes, do be careful on the benzos as you get the same kinda withdrawals as from geeb.
Criousll, how did thy treat you in hospital and what was the reason you decided to go? I too went to the hospital and was treated but a few people on here have made quite flippant comments along the lines of ''it's pointless going to the hospital because they know fuck all or won't treat you''
Yes, do be careful on the benzos as you get the same kinda withdrawals as from geeb.
Criousll, how did thy treat you in hospital and what was the reason you decided to go? I too went to the hospital and was treated but a few people on here have made quite flippant comments along the lines of ''it's pointless going to the hospital because they know fuck all or won't treat you''
brokenbrain
Bluelighter
GBL works on GABA-B receptors, which hides your dopamine away and then releases it later at a HUGE strength which is why you get symptoms like DT's from only a few weeks dosing.
Ideally you would never be taking Guice again if you were in hospital for 4 days after only 2 weeks 24/7. For me personally the magic day where additional hell is unleashed is day 15. I have taken it for 2 weeks a bunch of times and withdrawn using medication before and not gone through hell. After day 14 it gets steadily worse. I did 20 days full on in 2006 and literally met Satan....well my mind conjured up severe christian type hell based images which I either saw in front of me as if real or saw in my brain and thought it was real and I was getting full strength voices telling me to thow myself under a bus and other "fun" things.....
Ideally you would never be taking Guice again if you were in hospital for 4 days after only 2 weeks 24/7. For me personally the magic day where additional hell is unleashed is day 15. I have taken it for 2 weeks a bunch of times and withdrawn using medication before and not gone through hell. After day 14 it gets steadily worse. I did 20 days full on in 2006 and literally met Satan....well my mind conjured up severe christian type hell based images which I either saw in front of me as if real or saw in my brain and thought it was real and I was getting full strength voices telling me to thow myself under a bus and other "fun" things.....
I would say that you are definitely more prone to getting addicted again. One dose a day is unlikely to cause any issues, but it sounds like you're going to have a real problem sticking to just one dose a day. Benzos work on different GABA receptors to G, and I've never had benzo withdrawal symptoms. Taking benzos daily is a no-no, really. Personally, I've never had a problem with one dose of diazepam once every 48 hours (no withdrawals, or tolerance). I would certainly tread very carefully with G. Once you've had a withdrawal, it's very easy to head straight for another (which, as you said, will be worse). If you are going to consider taking it, then I'd get a small amount, and see if you can stick to your one dose a day. If you can't, then you know to knock it on the head. Hope this helps.Treacle,
You seem very knowledgeable (unfortunately) on gbl and withdrawal. I used gbl once a day for about a year with no major problems. Never had any hangover or WD symptoms. Slipped into dosing every 4 hours for a two week period, got addicted, went through withdrawal and 4 days in the hospital.
I am not too knowledgeable in all the brain chemistry here (GABA stuff), and it seems you are
I've been off the G for 6 weeks. If I were to do G again, would I get WD symptoms? Am I more prone to getting addicted now? Am I (or is my brain) at baseline? Or is something GABA related screwed up now?
I still have GI problems I blame on the G, even though I can't find many other people claiming diarrhea etc. from G. I still have it now, some anxiety too but it is certainly manageable (not those crazy panic attacks anymore). Are these permanent symptoms?
I have some diazepam powder I recently acquired to help with anxiety. I know that benzos and G work on same receptors, so I am I more prone to getting addicted to benzos as well? Should I stay away from them too, and what is a safe dose regiment to not get addicted (IE. 10mg every other day, every few days, 10mg once a day)?
I know I should stay away from G completely but I don't know if I can. You say wd gets worse each time, and that's even scarier. But theoretically, if I were to take G responsibly (18 hrs in between doses), would I be okay? Or is something permanently messed up? Should I stay away from the benzos too?
Basically, I want to smoke weed and do G once a night. Can I, or will it be a disaster?
Thanks in advance for your knowledge, I reach out to you as so little is known about this stuff.
Thanks bro
khem
Hello im new to this forum, ive discovered this forum from resarching the RC's ive just discovered recently.
Im in my late 40's and have used drugs since about the age of 15, there has been 3 periods in my life when i was clearly addicted to a substance, and GHB was the gateway to the one that nearly killed me 1,4-butanediol.
From readings i deem it not much diffrent to the withdrawal prob some avid users are having with GBL.
My use started in 2000 with GHB, i used this right up untill it was banned in the UK in 2003 with no withdrawles no come down nothing, it was just like all the info i was googling back then was saying perfect drug, "even body builders use it so must be safe" no addiction, i was like, i love this feeling, sign me up!
I gave up drinking booze totaly and started using GHB regular along with cocaine, 2cb-2 and weed
As soon as GHB was made illegal a new "just as safe substance hit the streets" 1,4-butanediol, nothing like GHB imho, but i was chasing the GHB high and this was closest.
Weekend use that had once been easy to maitain to just the weekend , with the use of 1,4-butanediol started to creep into using on a monday and starting on a thursday, within weeks i was taking daily, a few weeks after that i was taking once every 4 hours, to the point 4 hours after going to bed id wake up have another 20ml cap then go back to sleep, by this stage i was buying 5ltrs of 1,4-butanediol a month, and getting thru it.
I carried on dosing 1,4-butanediol for about 18 months longer......
Then one day i went to work and forgot my bottle of 1,4-butanediol, thought nothing of it, untill 6 hours in i was seeing and hearing things and having very bad panic attacks, i drove home, as soon as i got in i necked double what i normaly took, and it was then i realised i was a addict, as the withdrawles wore off.
So as i had once been a opiate addict i thought this will be easy to kick, how wrong i was, i got 2 friends that watched over me in shifts, first 2 days of withdraw i was basicly tripping, but very weak and stayed in bed, by the start of day 3 to 7 i really thought i was getting over it, just felt weak but far more lucid than id felt in the whole time id been giving it up to this point
Then day 8 hit, id like to add i hadent slept once since stopping on that friday that id decided to quit 1,4-butanediol.
Then i got what im now told was dopamine rebound, that seriously was the the worst two weeks of hell on any withdraw off any drug ive ever had.
One min i was asking my mate whats Gods number? i need to talk to him its important, its about my spare body he has, to coming round in intensive care after a huge seizure, wondering why my tounge was in two halves!
Seriously if anybody thinks they have an addiction, to ghb/gbl i really urge you to go seek medical help and advice, if my mates hadent rung the ambulance when they did in 2005 i wouldent be typing this now!
If this post helps one single GHB/GBL user then it was worth my effort typing it, Stay safe ppl.
Id like to add ive used most things that in the 70's/80's were stolen from a chemist to pure phet that keeps you up just off the fumes, opiates, mdma, to name but a few and ive just tried out a week on mephedrone, its not a good drug imho, defo works thats for sure, but its defo a dirty drug compared to most ive done in my life.
Sorry for my ramblings im test driving 300mg of methylone "it is weekend after all" at the moment and its defo a cleaner alt to mepth, diffrent but cleaner!
Bom!
Im in my late 40's and have used drugs since about the age of 15, there has been 3 periods in my life when i was clearly addicted to a substance, and GHB was the gateway to the one that nearly killed me 1,4-butanediol.
From readings i deem it not much diffrent to the withdrawal prob some avid users are having with GBL.
My use started in 2000 with GHB, i used this right up untill it was banned in the UK in 2003 with no withdrawles no come down nothing, it was just like all the info i was googling back then was saying perfect drug, "even body builders use it so must be safe" no addiction, i was like, i love this feeling, sign me up!
I gave up drinking booze totaly and started using GHB regular along with cocaine, 2cb-2 and weed
As soon as GHB was made illegal a new "just as safe substance hit the streets" 1,4-butanediol, nothing like GHB imho, but i was chasing the GHB high and this was closest.
Weekend use that had once been easy to maitain to just the weekend , with the use of 1,4-butanediol started to creep into using on a monday and starting on a thursday, within weeks i was taking daily, a few weeks after that i was taking once every 4 hours, to the point 4 hours after going to bed id wake up have another 20ml cap then go back to sleep, by this stage i was buying 5ltrs of 1,4-butanediol a month, and getting thru it.
I carried on dosing 1,4-butanediol for about 18 months longer......
Then one day i went to work and forgot my bottle of 1,4-butanediol, thought nothing of it, untill 6 hours in i was seeing and hearing things and having very bad panic attacks, i drove home, as soon as i got in i necked double what i normaly took, and it was then i realised i was a addict, as the withdrawles wore off.
So as i had once been a opiate addict i thought this will be easy to kick, how wrong i was, i got 2 friends that watched over me in shifts, first 2 days of withdraw i was basicly tripping, but very weak and stayed in bed, by the start of day 3 to 7 i really thought i was getting over it, just felt weak but far more lucid than id felt in the whole time id been giving it up to this point
Then day 8 hit, id like to add i hadent slept once since stopping on that friday that id decided to quit 1,4-butanediol.
Then i got what im now told was dopamine rebound, that seriously was the the worst two weeks of hell on any withdraw off any drug ive ever had.
One min i was asking my mate whats Gods number? i need to talk to him its important, its about my spare body he has, to coming round in intensive care after a huge seizure, wondering why my tounge was in two halves!
Seriously if anybody thinks they have an addiction, to ghb/gbl i really urge you to go seek medical help and advice, if my mates hadent rung the ambulance when they did in 2005 i wouldent be typing this now!
If this post helps one single GHB/GBL user then it was worth my effort typing it, Stay safe ppl.
Id like to add ive used most things that in the 70's/80's were stolen from a chemist to pure phet that keeps you up just off the fumes, opiates, mdma, to name but a few and ive just tried out a week on mephedrone, its not a good drug imho, defo works thats for sure, but its defo a dirty drug compared to most ive done in my life.
Sorry for my ramblings im test driving 300mg of methylone "it is weekend after all" at the moment and its defo a cleaner alt to mepth, diffrent but cleaner!
Bom!
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Forget tapering IMHO,i tried that it just prolonged my hellish addiction by 6 months, just quit , get family or friends around and you explain what your about to go thru and ride it out, its harsh, it takes at least 6 months for your GABA & GABA-E reciptors to fully chemicaly rebalance, the whole time life is hell, the worst of it is really in the first month of non use! but as a former addict, 4 years clean it can be done, you just have to want to be clean, like any substance addiction really.
You have to think do you want to carry on with this knowing you feel uneasy as each dose wares off? clearly you have a prob like i had once, i tried tapering, just go the whole hog n quit, you will be glad you did even tho its hell, if its making you feel shakey, uneasy, i bet smoking quality weed make that feeling come on sooner aswell dont it?
I gave up by using booze, now i need to address that prob lol, but good luck and seriously you know as well as me, because your feeling the shit i did once its not a quality life being dependent to it, is it?
I discharged myself from hospital ASAP, after coming back to earth, on reflection id of prob been a lot better being discharged by the doctor, and reciving some NHS medication.
However when my wife was explaning what drug i was actually withdrawing from they had no fucking clue about it so medicated me as a chronic alchy.
Bom!
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