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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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personally I just sweated it out, barfed, spent couple of days running incessantly to the loo and not eating. Day 3 i was pretty much back to normal.
 
robydoo24 said:
to be honest with you I find that people are bitchin and moaning for no real reason.

I had to go through Geebee WD's the hard way. ie no booze no benzo's NOTHING!!

it was difficult but not that bad.

Even going on a meph binge will curtail the immediate 2 hour redose cycle..After the initail need/cycle is broken it is plain sailing after that.

Or is it just me?
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For most people you can just cold turkey it with no ill effects, after about day 3.

However, if you've been hitting it hard for a very long time this is not an option.

Myself, I sat it out for 12 days before I took action. Every day my state was getting worse not better...with confusion and hallucinations starting at about day 7.

It's these people I'm suggesting take the B12 route, as these type of effects may be due to vitamin depletion rather than actual WD's. Taking b12 after your last dose may make the traditional 3 day period more manageable.
 
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robydoo24 said:
to be honest with you I find that people are bitchin and moaning for no real reason.

I had to go through Geebee WD's the hard way. ie no booze no benzo's NOTHING!!

it was difficult but not that bad.

Even going on a meph binge will curtail the immediate 2 hour redose cycle..After the initail need/cycle is broken it is plain sailing after that.

Or is it just me?
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So you've been through one G withdrawal? I think my first actual withdrawal, I was on it 24/7, for a month, and a valium and some booze stopped it. When you get to your thirtieth or so withdrawal, you'll find it's much different. Also, taking stimulants during G withdrawal (yes, I've done it) is a really bad idea, as G withdrawal can raise blood pressure to pretty shocking levels.
 
robydoo24 said:
To be fair I have done it twice and the second one I nipped in the bud after just a few days of 24/7 use.

This may sound condescending and I do understand that the underlying problems are more to do with pschological reasons/shitty circumstances.

But why are people getting themselves into such a state that they are with drawing multipletimes.

The danger signs are easy to spot once you tuned into them. Switch drugs for a couple of days....get pished...stave it off....go on an other type of binge that you fancy

If stimms are a no no them trip yer balls off for a couple of days and get some perspective.

I do understand that drugs are not the answer but as aversion therapy it works for me.

I do not want to downplay anybodies pain and horific withdrawls. And understand that if you are so deep in a cycle that maybe you won't be able to pull yer socks up enough to avert things at an early stage.
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Pyschedelics, anxiety and panic attacks. A shockingly beautiful scenario.
 
I love the way everyone seems to think a few vitamins will help.

But whatever you do, do NOT use Phenibut. It sucks. Hard.

Best way is to taper as best you can: A simple way is like this:

Put like a 125ml GBL bottle and for every say 1.5ml you remove, add 1.5ml water back in.

That way the entire bottle is slowly diluted as you (ab)use it.

The worst part about GBL withdrawal is not the shakes, the confusion, the sickness - it's the delerium. For once that hits you won't know anything. You could run outside naked. You could leg it screaming down the road. You could go knocking on neighbours doors. Anything goes in a delerious state.

For what it's worth Baclofen is now the the defacto standard for withdrawining from GBL, tapered slowly over weeks, sometimes with a GABA-A drug of choice to go alongside it.

Best done under medical supervision, but it's something most would resist, including me.

But Phenibut... woah, boy. That stuff kills your receptors faster than anything known to man. Almost every dose you take you can feel a little part of your brain dying.

I've detoxed twice now. Pregabalin/Baclofen first. Phenibut second - then another baclofen taper to get out of the new phenibut addiction.

Take care everyone.

* If you're really stuck stock up on some litre bottles of vodka. It will help. Your body won't thank you, but you sanity might.
 
anon1235 said:
The worst part about GBL withdrawal is not the shakes, the confusion, the sickness - it's the delerium. For once that hits you won't know anything. You could run outside naked. You could leg it screaming down the road. You could go knocking on neighbours doors. Anything goes in a delerious state.
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Ah yes good old memories of escaping the nuthouse and wrestling with the police. Seeing Xanax bars on my iv cathater and scattered around the floor , the cannon full of rugby balls and asking when I could have leg my back etc etc etc. God knows which parts happened when I was awake but it was scary.
 
anon1235 said:
The worst part about GBL withdrawal is not the shakes, the confusion, the sickness - it's the delerium. For once that hits you won't know anything. You could run outside naked. You could leg it screaming down the road. You could go knocking on neighbours doors. Anything goes in a delerious state.
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wow i didn't realise gbl WDs had such a powerful manifestation :/ worst I got was some minor auditory hallucinations (after doing I guess 4ish ml a night for 3 months), kinda like having tinnitus I suppose.

is there no way you can psych yourself up to think that anything too crazy that's about to happen may be due to delerium? x
 
since chucking GBL down the sink over a week ago I've been stupidly necking random quantities of benzos. Not just for fear of withdrawal but jsut for the bloody sake of it really. Got horrible anxiety just now. I'm not sure if I'm withdrawing from benzos or its just the benzos wearing off and the GBL withdrtawals coming to frution, or both./

Either way, I'm going to try have no benzos tonight unless I have to. I might have a few beers to ease my anxiety then sleep a while. My gaba use is so random and chaotic that I've no idea how serious my problems are. If shit hits the fan I'll probably end up going to the doctors. They say you should't admit certain drug abuse to doctors as it effects life insurance and prescriptions etc but I'm past the point of caring.

since chucking GBL my benzo use has been:

Code: 
Fri: 5mg nitrazepam
Sat: 5mg nitrazepam 6mg valium
Sun: 5mg nitrazepam
Wed: 3mg xanax
Thu: 5mg nitrazepam 2mg xanax
Fri: 6mg valium
Sat: 5mg nitrazepam
Sun: 3mg xanax

Been drinking quite a lot too.

At the same time though, I'm not completely fucked am I? I mean some people are on like 40mg+ valium a day. BUT that doesn't really justify my situation.
 
These are pretty low doses except for the Xanax. I have some Xanax a friend gave me, some .25mg, so that looks like nothing, but I made a bad habit of taking three a day since wednesday, and I experienced mild anxiety before taking a pill today. Those fuckers are nothing to play with. Anyway good luck with your detox, I think if you're careful with the Xanax, you can taper the benzos quite easily. Don't forget there are some plant extracts which work very good, I thought Chamomille was a tea for the elderly 'till I read about it on BL.
 
Diphenhydramine is worthy of investigation, maybe Treacle can tell more about it though...I'm all noob on this one :\
 
Diphen is good for sleep as long as you stick to recommended doses - delirium is no fun. Tolerance also builds quickish but is a decent option for sleep in the short term. Can make you feel sluggish the next day... but not as sluggish as Moggies (nitrazepam for the less ancient). To be honest, it generally takes weeks - if not months - of daily use to cause any significant w/d symptoms. You could probably just stop with nothing but with possible G w/d as well I'd just taper down. Shouldn't be a big problem and better to do it while it's not a big problem.
 
As for my 2 cents, you really should not diphenhydramine unless you're desperate (pretty sure someone asked about it earlier). It's a very hard "punch in the gut" kind of deliriant in my experience. I would not normally advocate this, but if it's a choice between this and dyphenhydramine I honestly think it's more sensible to just go to your GP and say your having a lot of trouble sleeping/panic attacks/etc... spare your liver some unnecessary harm... (plus the rest you get won't be as helpful)
 
Shambles said:
I was meaning purely sedative doses - not deliriant levels. At low dose it can help with sleep. Nytol is diphen.
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I just know too many people who took 1 or 2, felt weird but not quite asleep and thought they should take a handful more which would help :/ bad idea...

to be honest, from my experience nytol is the kinda sleep aid that is only truly useful to people who never needed a sleep aid in the first place
 
I found out what Nytol was the hard way after eating a whole pack to try to get some sleep during a particularly nasty heroin withdrawal. That really was as much fun as it sounds. But as far as OTC sleeping pills go it's about as good as it gets. Better than nothing. Maybe. But definitely stick to the recommended dose.
 
Shambles said:
I found out what Nytol was the hard way after eating a whole pack to try to get some sleep during a particularly nasty heroin withdrawal. That really was as much fun as it sounds. But as far as OTC sleeping pills go it's about as good as it gets. Better than nothing. Maybe. But definitely stick to the recommended dose.
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best of otc isn't saying much though ;)

I'm intending to try promethazine one of these days (presc only in most countries but available in the uk), meant to be much more sleep inducing from what i've heard.

problem with nytol is that i've tried the recommended dose + double that dose and they just make me feel like a zombie for many house, as though my limbs are no longer my own... not entirely a satisfying purchase...

guess i've been spoilt by xanax - by comparison is effectively a fun cartoon bridge to dream land...
 
brokenbrain said:
I think I also have permanent acidosis.
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My other half got mild acidosis from fairly low gbl use, confirmed by a blood test at the docs. As you get older your alkalizing buffers deplete so may be that's why he got it. Google alkalizing foods for more info on what you should/shouldn't be eating. Sodium bicarbonate helps (cheap and easily available) but we've got potassium bicarbonate (harder to get hold of and more expensive) cos of the blood pressure issues with taking excessive sodium.

brokenbrain said:
Valkerie says that she takes l-glutamine.
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Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in your body. Most people get enough glutamine from food but if you're under any kind of stress, whether it be mental or physical, your glutamine stores can get depleted. I use glutamine after a heavy weekend but I've never had to withdraw from gbl so I can't really comment on it's effectiveness for that.
 
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