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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread
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Diluted GBL isn't common, at least not when it was legal. 99.9% innnitttttt.
GHB in powder form can't be diluted, although in liquid form it seems harder to judge strength, people just do "caps" and hope for the best....![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Yeah it's a dangerous game that.
A very good arguement for NOT making GBL illegal. I fear now only GHB dilutions will be available at various concentrations.
As with any drug, uncertain concentrations of the active ingredient will lead to more overdoses.
chrisdahl
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I think those selling big amounts of ghb know what they are doing when it comes to making the stuff. At least the people I know did
65daysofstatic
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Just to update, I've had no GBL since Friday morning. Second bottle I had to get rid of but the correct thing to do. There was only about 10% left of the 500ml bottle.
My benzos use is quite random, and the fact I take nitrazepam, xanax and valium at random points in the week doesn't really help things.
Yesterday I had no drugs at all, for the first time in what seems years, other than a tiny bit of weed at night. Going to sleep was interesting, I kept getting 'flashes' every time I was starting to fall asleep. I'm just glad I did manage to sleep eventually. Also, whilst reading a book I kept getting 'deja vu' style feelings, then sharp brain zaps. Those who have encountered it will probably know what I mean.
Don't feel great today, I keep imagining my toenails being pulled off or scraped along a pavement. That probably sounds really random, but its just anxiety/agitation that I think has been assigned a metaphor in my mind. I'm quite fidgety.
I don't really feel any strong GBL withdrawals, considering how I was abusing it and have had withdrawals in the past. HOWEVER, since stopping I've had benzos and this could be just delaying wd's.
I think I'm fine to just jump off but don't want to start feeling really ill when the benzos wear off. My aim is to go this week with no benzos and finally become completely clean and a normal functioning human being with no dependency.
I actually started logging my benzo use a couple of weeks ago because I realised it was all rather random and a bit more significant than the 'couple of times a week' I had previously considered it to be. My benzo use of late has been a lot higher than normal, because I've been repeatedly trying to give up GBL and start a tapering dose of benzos, only to the next day go and take GBL anyway. I think a lot of these benzo doses were also to get back to sleep after the rebound, as I didn't want to do GBL 24/7.
Anyway this is my benzo use of late and my aim is to just have none this week. Combined with daily gbl use and nearly daily drinking, my gaba activity needs some severe sorting out.
My benzos use is quite random, and the fact I take nitrazepam, xanax and valium at random points in the week doesn't really help things.
Yesterday I had no drugs at all, for the first time in what seems years, other than a tiny bit of weed at night. Going to sleep was interesting, I kept getting 'flashes' every time I was starting to fall asleep. I'm just glad I did manage to sleep eventually. Also, whilst reading a book I kept getting 'deja vu' style feelings, then sharp brain zaps. Those who have encountered it will probably know what I mean.
Don't feel great today, I keep imagining my toenails being pulled off or scraped along a pavement. That probably sounds really random, but its just anxiety/agitation that I think has been assigned a metaphor in my mind. I'm quite fidgety.
I don't really feel any strong GBL withdrawals, considering how I was abusing it and have had withdrawals in the past. HOWEVER, since stopping I've had benzos and this could be just delaying wd's.
I think I'm fine to just jump off but don't want to start feeling really ill when the benzos wear off. My aim is to go this week with no benzos and finally become completely clean and a normal functioning human being with no dependency.
I actually started logging my benzo use a couple of weeks ago because I realised it was all rather random and a bit more significant than the 'couple of times a week' I had previously considered it to be. My benzo use of late has been a lot higher than normal, because I've been repeatedly trying to give up GBL and start a tapering dose of benzos, only to the next day go and take GBL anyway. I think a lot of these benzo doses were also to get back to sleep after the rebound, as I didn't want to do GBL 24/7.
Anyway this is my benzo use of late and my aim is to just have none this week. Combined with daily gbl use and nearly daily drinking, my gaba activity needs some severe sorting out.
Code:
Fri: 6mg valium
Sun: 6mg valium 0.5mg xanax
Sat: 12mg valium
Mon: 12mg valium 0.5mg xanax
Tue: 0.5mg xanax
Thu: 6mg valium
Sun: 1mg
Mon: 12mg valium
Tue: 5mg nitrazepam
Thu: 0.5mg xanax
Fri: 5mg nitrazepam
Sat: 5mg nitrazepam 6mg valium
Sun: 5mg nitrazepam65daysofstatic
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I'd very rarely have more than 10-15ml in a day and would never use it in the middle of the night. Would rather lay awake for hours than get into 24/7 use. If you can keep GBL to just during waking hours I think that's half the battle. I don't get how people can get to such values, I'd tip it away before that stage and use benzos for withdrawal.Fuck me you people need to get up to 30+ mls a day for a month or so and then cold, hard, dry, screaming, bloody turkey.
Then you might be turned off for a while.
Me personally I did 3 weeks 500ml 24/7 in 2006 and the hell I found was so deep, dark and black that I stopped using for 7 months.
I just went a month without and have used for 1 day today. Will be coming off tomorrow. Have drawn up plans for the rest of the year......there may be the dark eternal damnation that I can find sources for after I run out of my current 1l+ hidden stash....
Or I'll move to the Czech Republic......a large possibility
I'm not actually remotely missing the GBL atm. I miss the feeling it used to give me, but that feelings long gone. GBL was now just giving me a brief buzz at the first dose then redosing just to feel normal. I feel quite crap today but I know my moods going to balance out. GBL was turning me into an aggressive hermit. I'd rarely leave my bedroom and be uncomfortable in social situations. If I could keep GBL to once or twice a week that would be great but I can't. That said, I'll probably purchase a small amount in a couple of months when tolerance is reset. My first times on it gave me almost ecstasy like effects but by the end it was rubbish really.
a really bad habit I got into was treating GBL as a 'wake and bake' type substance. I'd get up and decide to have a big dose, not because of withdrawals, but because it's a bloody good drug to wake you up and get you going. Then you get into the habit of redosing to avoid rebounding/wd'ing.
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brokenbrain
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Things fucked me up good now, I hope not permanently. I keep crying uncontrollably and have managed to just about make my flat look as bad as it can get because I kept waking up in the middle of 3ml sleep and anything less than 3 hours and I don't know who I am or what I am...and walk around into everything and everything is moldy and I just don't care.
It was just supposed to be last Wednesday night,all day Thursday and coming off Friday.Then I totally forgot and it was Sunday morning before I remembered....yes its badly effecting my memory as well.
I have all the stuff ready for Friday come off and it will happen as this is by far the worst GBL has ever treated me....might keep me off a few months or maybe try the 36 hour try in a month
Fucking bastard hell it doesn't make me happy and chatty anymore just a mardy piece of shit who has to disappear into the toilet to cry regularly rather than to top up. I think I also have permanent acidosis....which loads of people believe you don't get but many people do. Only 5.5 days on although It was when I suddenly started crying uncontrollably on Sunday Morning that I realised that its all gone wrong.
I cannot do 24/7 anymore after this. I will try a 36 hour one in a month maybe because that was easy as fuck to come off.....
setting myself up to be a permanently crying ultra-depressed maximum headcase was not my aim here. I hope that by coming off on Friday/Saturday/Sunday that I will halt this all new horrendous version of me or I will kill myself.
It was just supposed to be last Wednesday night,all day Thursday and coming off Friday.Then I totally forgot and it was Sunday morning before I remembered....yes its badly effecting my memory as well.
I have all the stuff ready for Friday come off and it will happen as this is by far the worst GBL has ever treated me....might keep me off a few months or maybe try the 36 hour try in a month
Fucking bastard hell it doesn't make me happy and chatty anymore just a mardy piece of shit who has to disappear into the toilet to cry regularly rather than to top up. I think I also have permanent acidosis....which loads of people believe you don't get but many people do. Only 5.5 days on although It was when I suddenly started crying uncontrollably on Sunday Morning that I realised that its all gone wrong.
I cannot do 24/7 anymore after this. I will try a 36 hour one in a month maybe because that was easy as fuck to come off.....
setting myself up to be a permanently crying ultra-depressed maximum headcase was not my aim here. I hope that by coming off on Friday/Saturday/Sunday that I will halt this all new horrendous version of me or I will kill myself.
cherrycolouredfunk
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Yes you will and you can. Withdraw yourself slowly. GBL can have you by the balls if you let it get that way. It's relentless.
Try to get it under control and get yourself back to feeling yourself before you even let yourself make friends with it again. From what you've written, it wont do you any good anyway.
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brokenbrain
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Oh Once I start the withdrawal it continues for at least 10 days....but it requires medication of various sorts that are themselves very addictive.
Fuck it'll be 9 days. All I had to do was not be in a state Friday and Saturday and could have come off although was missing a vital component
Fucking opium pods alright, totally addictive and the perfect thing as it totally removes the depression and promethezine to sleep. Got loads of codiene.
Too scared to go back to phenibut and baclofen is far too expensive unless I find a medical way of being prescribed heavy duty amounts.
Although I'm trying to build up a plan to get prescribed buprenorphine as its supposed to be a stunning anti-depressant and that is the reason I take drugs, not to get fucked up, I just want to not feel like crying all the time and ssri's don't work. I've got a years supply of trazadone, but that has MCPP as a metabolite which scares me. Basically NHS anti-depressants are too weak and they need to work on the stronger ones. I had ketamine, 2 small lines a few weeks ago and for 1 hour I was happy as fuck, and thats supposed to be very useful as an anti-depressant too, although I don't want the no bladder experience.
Fuck it'll be 9 days. All I had to do was not be in a state Friday and Saturday and could have come off although was missing a vital component
Fucking opium pods alright, totally addictive and the perfect thing as it totally removes the depression and promethezine to sleep. Got loads of codiene.
Too scared to go back to phenibut and baclofen is far too expensive unless I find a medical way of being prescribed heavy duty amounts.
Although I'm trying to build up a plan to get prescribed buprenorphine as its supposed to be a stunning anti-depressant and that is the reason I take drugs, not to get fucked up, I just want to not feel like crying all the time and ssri's don't work. I've got a years supply of trazadone, but that has MCPP as a metabolite which scares me. Basically NHS anti-depressants are too weak and they need to work on the stronger ones. I had ketamine, 2 small lines a few weeks ago and for 1 hour I was happy as fuck, and thats supposed to be very useful as an anti-depressant too, although I don't want the no bladder experience.
cherrycolouredfunk
Bluelighter
My ex boyfriend was the original poster who started this thread. He offered some good advice.
Read it.
I'd keep off the other drugs, they'll just conflict. Do you have a withdrawal plan that you can stick to and not add other substances into the mix?
Read it.
I'd keep off the other drugs, they'll just conflict. Do you have a withdrawal plan that you can stick to and not add other substances into the mix?
brokenbrain
Bluelighter
yes i know treacle was obsessed with phenibut then it must have got worse as he started talking about swapping between them which I do not want to do.
Yes its all a shit idea but Its always been on the cards that i'd be a junkie
I cannot handle the depression when I come off, although I'm pretty depressed now.
Hell, I've researched how to come off pods and pod tea quite a bit, I get loads of loperamide on the nhs.
Yes its all a shit idea but Its always been on the cards that i'd be a junkie
I cannot handle the depression when I come off, although I'm pretty depressed now.
Hell, I've researched how to come off pods and pod tea quite a bit, I get loads of loperamide on the nhs.
cherrycolouredfunk
Bluelighter
The orginal maker of this thread was MTGG, who was my ex boyfriend who died summer 2008. That's who I meant.
Phenibut isn't the be all and end all, as yes it works for withdrawals for GBL, but then you have to suffer the withdrawals of phenibit, which are just as horrendous.
Phenibut isn't the be all and end all, as yes it works for withdrawals for GBL, but then you have to suffer the withdrawals of phenibit, which are just as horrendous.
You guys tried B12?
It's cheap and won't do any harm, even if it doesn't do any good in your own case.
There's one study i've seen where supplementation (even elevating above normal concentrations, when no deficiency is present) was found to increase GABA concentrations in the brain.
Seems implausible that a simple vitamin can have any useful value for WD's, but it really did help in my case.
nigel
It's cheap and won't do any harm, even if it doesn't do any good in your own case.
There's one study i've seen where supplementation (even elevating above normal concentrations, when no deficiency is present) was found to increase GABA concentrations in the brain.
Seems implausible that a simple vitamin can have any useful value for WD's, but it really did help in my case.
nigel
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Shambles
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Not generally a proponent of vitamin excess (cos drugpiggery is far better for you :D) but B vitamins helped a lot with some of the shittier G symptoms - mainly maddening RLS whilst on it for me cos I never did get any serious w/d from stopping it - and can quite imagine it being a boon to those inflicted with more vicious symptoms.
brokenbrain
Bluelighter
Valkerie says that she takes l-glutamine, and fuck it I'm buying some off ebay right now as it is the gaba and gluatamate precusors which are the main things that GBL uses. I really want to not feel like I'm dying any more.
Fuck it I just bought 100 days supply from a nice place beginning with E.Now I need some B6, I can get that from Tescunts though.
Add that to my normal process of coming off and I may not kick the bucket just yet...........
Fuck it I just bought 100 days supply from a nice place beginning with E.Now I need some B6, I can get that from Tescunts though.
Add that to my normal process of coming off and I may not kick the bucket just yet...........
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B12 mate not 6
Go crazy with it, 1000uG/day.
Holland + Barrett sell it in UK, that dose, single tablet.
I think a source post is ok for this, as it's not a drug...it's a vitamin.
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brokenbrain
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Well I'm coming off tomorrow and I've got tesco own brand rip off of the maximum strength B vit disolvable, but it makes my heart beat like a fucked clock, so not all of them are needed and wiki says b6 minge packer
Well I'm coming off tomorrow and I've got tesco own brand rip off of the maximum strength B vit disolvable, but it makes my heart beat like a fucked clock, so not all of them are needed and wiki says b6 minge packer
I'd file those soluble b-complex in the bin..you'll not get the high dose of B12 req without poisoning yourself with the other ingredients.
Wiki says b6 for what? Surely not GBL WD's lol
Just go with b12 1000uG. It worked for me but you do have to do it properly.
Sounds like you get WD's bad so interested to see what happens.
Correct. However, glutamate is the main excitatory neurotransmitter in the brain, and a lot of it doesn't get converted into GABA. It may make you worse. Pregabalin converts glutamate into GABA, so it might be worth looking into. Also, the withdrawals from pregabalin are nothing. It takes a week to taper. It makes all depressants feel stronger.
I got caught in a rut of switching between the two. I've withdrawn from G with phenibut several times with no withdrawal from the phenibut. You just have to be really sensible with it.
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For a awhile of 4ml-6ml/day use of GBL I get some sort of panic attacks/brain zap. I can be sitting there and I'll just feel some ringing sound, it kinda feels sharp buzz and I used to notice it lead to a panic attack. I would feel my heart and it'd be going up and up and I'd freak out thinking I ingested some random drug and was dying or something. I'd get paranoid people were selling me BromodragonFLY or something so I'd dose like <>1mg and work up with like 6hrs in between or something. The first panic attack I had was the first time I tried JWH-018 and it all feels similer, maybe this is one reason?
Anyway I got on better with G, no real problems.
First I must add also that last weekend I almost 24/7'ed it for a couple of days, this might be responsable for my problems.
On Tue 16th: I wake up feeling normal and start my day going to some "job search traing course" spend the day there, great. Come home. I don't know the time but maybe 6pm? I dose 2ml ... this was the first dose of the day (well night). It hits, great then I feel really fucked +3hr and I couldn't eat anymore food (something is wrong here), my mouth was dry (like white spit dry). I feel tired, like I wanna sleep but can't, I was sick a few times and felt pretty depressed. I took 0.5mg Xanax.
^^ daily intake 2ml, 0.5mg Xanax
Wed 17th: Woke up the next day feeling fine, normal. back to the training course thingy and back home. Decide to try 2ml and see if it comes back. So yeah I do 2ml, feel great. No problem so I do another 2ml, still good, then I do 1.5ml to sleep but waste the time so have to do another 1.5ml (yes I am stupid.
) (bed about 1am)
^^ daily intake 7ml
Thur 18th: Woke up like 3am (I think) then remember it was about 5am and couldn't sleep so +1ml and I think I woke back up about 6am+ or something feeling like I had the flu or something, I felt really tired and just tried to sleep, I never did and still felt like crap about 7am ish. So I dosed 0.5ml and went downstairs, I started feeling like being sick and gagged but wasn't, 6 mins later I feel fine. I take a small bottle with me, I feel a bit odd about 11.30am so dose 0.5ml, the feeling returned but I didn't give in.
^^ daily intake 2ml
Probably been 7hr since last dose. I think I had a brain zap thingy before. I am not doing any GBL tonight. I feel fine but kinda tired (not suprised) but I feel like if I went to bed, I wouldn't sleep. I will try and hit the bed early as I am going away for the weekend to the dam till Monday so that's a good few days off the G. I have some etizolam I might take with me incase.
These don't seem like WD's but maybe depleted Vits, etc? I have been reading most of this thread and the GBL mega ones today. I was going to goto a known supermarket and buy some Vit. B12 and a multi one and take a couple of each but don't want to make anything worse.
Anything I say sound familer to anyone?
I'll see how tonight goes.
Anyway I got on better with G, no real problems.
First I must add also that last weekend I almost 24/7'ed it for a couple of days, this might be responsable for my problems.
On Tue 16th: I wake up feeling normal and start my day going to some "job search traing course" spend the day there, great. Come home. I don't know the time but maybe 6pm? I dose 2ml ... this was the first dose of the day (well night). It hits, great then I feel really fucked +3hr and I couldn't eat anymore food (something is wrong here), my mouth was dry (like white spit dry). I feel tired, like I wanna sleep but can't, I was sick a few times and felt pretty depressed. I took 0.5mg Xanax.
^^ daily intake 2ml, 0.5mg Xanax
Wed 17th: Woke up the next day feeling fine, normal. back to the training course thingy and back home. Decide to try 2ml and see if it comes back. So yeah I do 2ml, feel great. No problem so I do another 2ml, still good, then I do 1.5ml to sleep but waste the time so have to do another 1.5ml (yes I am stupid.
) (bed about 1am)^^ daily intake 7ml
Thur 18th: Woke up like 3am (I think) then remember it was about 5am and couldn't sleep so +1ml and I think I woke back up about 6am+ or something feeling like I had the flu or something, I felt really tired and just tried to sleep, I never did and still felt like crap about 7am ish. So I dosed 0.5ml and went downstairs, I started feeling like being sick and gagged but wasn't, 6 mins later I feel fine. I take a small bottle with me, I feel a bit odd about 11.30am so dose 0.5ml, the feeling returned but I didn't give in.
^^ daily intake 2ml
Probably been 7hr since last dose. I think I had a brain zap thingy before. I am not doing any GBL tonight. I feel fine but kinda tired (not suprised) but I feel like if I went to bed, I wouldn't sleep. I will try and hit the bed early as I am going away for the weekend to the dam till Monday so that's a good few days off the G. I have some etizolam I might take with me incase.
These don't seem like WD's but maybe depleted Vits, etc? I have been reading most of this thread and the GBL mega ones today. I was going to goto a known supermarket and buy some Vit. B12 and a multi one and take a couple of each but don't want to make anything worse.
Anything I say sound familer to anyone?
I'll see how tonight goes.
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ollieideal
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i find benzo's and gabapentin and smack help with gb with drawals and talking about it to some one with first hand experience
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