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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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barely past noon here and I'm slowly drinking a bottle of glens vodka. Says it all 8).

Actually felt compeltely fine this morning. Then about an hour ago I was eating a subway sandwich in my car and suddenly just felt that weird anxiety/impending feeling of doom. In fact I wasn't even anxious, it was more derealisation or just a weird feeling of being completely uncomfortable in my own skin. So I hit the vodka 8).

My withdrawals are maybe more significant than I realised, tbh I feel totally depressed and weird.
 
My withdrawals are maybe more significant than I realised, tbh I feel totally depressed and weird.

As others have said, making an appontment to see the doctor asap is defintely the way forward.

Sounds like you have too much to deal with and sort out on your own and some outside help would be a very wise move. Even just talking it through with the doc may make you feel a little more positive in that you've made the first steps to ironing this shit out.

Peace.
 
My logic at the moment is that I've been abusing GBL, benzos and alcohol and now I'm just doing alcohol, at a fairly controlled level. Then maybe in a day or 2 try just cold turkey. I find when I start feeling really dodgy exercise helps massively. The alcohols helping me anxiety wise at the moment, it makes me feel normal. But I know I'm on a fast track to becoming an alcoholic and probably (nay, definitely!) need help.

But, people say you shouldn't admit drug or particularly prescriptive drug abuse to doctors as there's all sorts of shortfalls. Then again, I'm not sure if I give a fuck.

PS - Is it not quite likely that my GP will have fuck all knowledge about GABA abuse? My gaba abuse is a bit of a mess and probably needs more specialist attention.
 
It's very likely that your doctor won't understand anything about G. It sounds like you have some major anxiety issues. I do keep saying it, but pregabalin (Lyrica) is brilliant, and is really helping me out. GPs also don't mind prescribing it long term, as the withdrawal is minimal, and it only takes a week to taper off. PM me if you want any information about it.
 
ok ill need to get some of it.

I've got to go away a few days as a family members ashes are being scattered. Perfect timing 8). I've got no long term enacting benzos left and I'll be with family the whole weekend and can't really drink. Should I take my xanax with me and have a little if my state get particularly bad?

An hour or 2 ago I went into some weird anxious state, thought I was going insane, and was about to go to bed just to try shut out the world but thats passed,. Still drinking 8). I went out with my brother to help him move something and just getting out and doing something active seemed to do more good than anything else. Makes me wonder how much of this is mind over matter..............

To be perfectly honest, for the last few years I've been abusing the fuck out of drugs and its finally coming back to haunt me.

At least that's me well over 24 hours with no benzos (though I know that's nothing). I had had a 35cl of vodka today (and im stone cold sober, that tells you my alcohol tolerance) though and considering both work on the same gaba receptor I probably haven't really achieved anything.........blehc
 
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even if your GP doesn't have proper knowledge of GBL, I'm sure he'll be able to help think of how to deal with the side-effects...

i guess xanax is probably a good idea, if you take maybe 0.5mg a couple of times a day to keep yourself stable.
 
Last night I found about 5mg valium and took that sub lingually. Voila, the nagging feeling in my brain starts to disappear. I can lie in bed relaxed without a constant weird horrible non existant pain. At least I know I am withdrawing from benzos and not just crazy. It's horrible. I keep having to make tight fists with my hand in order to deal with this weird tension. Can anyone relate to what I'm saying? I feel ok just now but it will get worse as the day goes on.
 
Sounds like you're suffering from anxiety more than withdrawal.

Exactly how long were you on benzos? One or two weeks? On average 5mg of diaz a day (besides the xanax and keeping in mind nitrazepam is the same strength?

Also 5mg is a pretty small dose, if that takes away the nagging feeling then I'd say its mainly anxiety and rebound anxiety you're experiencing.

Its just when I was going through benzo withdrawal there was no way I could even leave the house, let alone drive or go to subway etc
 
Sounds like you're suffering from anxiety more than withdrawal.

Exactly how long were you on benzos? One or two weeks? On average 5mg of diaz a day (besides the xanax and keeping in mind nitrazepam is the same strength?

Also 5mg is a pretty small dose, if that takes away the nagging feeling then I'd say its mainly anxiety and rebound anxiety you're experiencing.

Its just when I was going through benzo withdrawal there was no way I could even leave the house, let alone drive or go to subway etc
No the benzo dosages I showed were only from the point I started logging. I've been using benzos for the best part of possibly a year, but only since stopping GBL did my usage spike. When I stopped GBL I also pretty much replaced it with alcohol and would use benzos for hangovers (GBL/benzos are fucking immediate hangover cure). It's a vicious circle.

So anyway, I think since last posting I was binging on booze on Thursday, drank a 35cl of vodka, beer and shit loads of wine. Still felt strange and couldn't sleep. Had remnants of some valium I found in my uni bag, would have been anything between 4-8mg I'd guess. I quickly managed to sleep after that.

Friday I didn't feel hungover at all but was still getting bad anxiety and confused thought processes. In fact to be perfectly honest I spent the day manically depressed and borderline suicidal. It didn't help that I was travelling (as passenger) on a 3 hour journey to bury my Granny 8). I decided that I was going to do everything in my power on the friday to have no substances whatsoever. I had 3 x 1mg xanax tablets as an emergency should I hit mad delirium or something. Come 11pm I felt pretty damn weird and decided to try sleep. Was actually relatively tired. Sleep was just not happening though and I lay awake for hours wriggling, constantly picturing bizarre final destination style painful thoughts. Each thought would make me sort of have to wriggle/shake, it was like a way to get rid of the bad energy. I started listening to Ricky Gervais podcasts on my ipod trying to distract my mind but still no sleep. Eventually about 4am I gave in and decided to have 0.5mg xanax, as an experiment more than anything. I took it sublingually and sure enough within a matter of minutes my mind started to clear, I stopped having to clench my hands and feet and started feeling sane mentally. Slept quite quickly.

Saturday I felt a lot better, had to bury my granny and remarkedly coped find even when others were crying. Possibly the small dose of xanax I was on made me numb, but I imagined myself collapsing into some mess so I was delighted with myself. I even had to lower her ashes into the ground 8) (this is starting to sound like an x factor sob story).

I went the whole of Sat with nothing again. Went to bed about midnight last night. I started getting anxiety, bizarre thoughts etc but they were less severe and I tried blocking them out. I could tell I was starting to fall asleep but each time I did so I'd find myself getting really confused and stuck in an odd state of consciousness. Luckily though I slept for the first time in a while not on anything.

Today I feel fucking great =D. I can think about these painful mental images and they don't really give me the same thoughts of pain. I feel muich more normal and I'm not really depressed anymore.

And that's where I am now.

MY benzo use was always relatively moderate but still quite frequent, and I was randomly using 3 different types of benzos. Combined with daily GBL use and nearly nightly heavy drinking.

I think as much as anything else my brain is just trying to sort itself out, my GABA activity must be all over the place. The fact I haven't drunk alcohol since Thursday night and suddenly feel much better suggests it was the problem as much as anything else.

Sorry if I have bored any of you, but tbh I didn't see the point in living a couple of days ago and thought I was going insane and feel I'm on some sort of path to normality now. AND I FEEL FUCKING LIBERATED =D.

Things might get worse again, I don't know. One day at a time ;)

STAY STRONG
 
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Good to hear you've come out the other side feeling a lot better, especially after the loss of your grandma, that's a pretty tough time you've had.

One day at a time is a good philosophy - keep positive <3
 
Well done

Yeah thank heavens you are feeling better for the first time in a while 69, really pleased for you, what you have been through sounds like a diabolical state of eternal hell and I am sorry for your loss which muct have exacerbated everything. I wish you nothing but the best from now on mate, I have similar problems to you with anxiety so I really empathise. Drinking is not an option for me I reckon that is how I messed up my CNS in the first place as I was never big on drugs.

I know pretty much how I can taper and do benzo's (I have valium) as I have done it this way before, but I wondered if anyone had any info on Zimovane 7.5mg that is a strong dose. I am not sick so no threat of vomiting asleep, I am taking L5htp and I mixed my GBL use with methylphenidate to counteract the sleepiness so not taking the stimulant meds now either which l-tyrosine helps with on the w/d of the stimulant. I have vit b complex and multivits but have been up for a long while and although I know I can take zimovane for a few days (have done before but not in conjunction with GBL use) I was wondering how it would affect my brain as I know it knocks me out and I could sleep thru a big chunk of symptoms rather than taper and benzo - or maybe start with the Zimo and after using it just once then see if the dosing and tapering could be further apart and less benzo.

I am tempted to stick with what I know but as you all know when you have it in the house there's a temptation not to taper. I am pretty good tho have tapered before and this is not a big withdrawal (YET) no hallucinations etc but the shakes and anxiety and inability to sleep. It may worsen as it's early stages yet so I wanted to put the zimovane oquestion out there for feedback as I am sure others out there know loads more about it than I do.

Thanks lighters
 
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Zimovane is zopiclone. It will do basically what benzos will for sleep. 7.5mg is a small dose. If you want some sleep, take a couple and perhaps some valium with it. I found zopiclone fairly useless during G withdrawals. Good luck. :)
 
I lightly disagree with you, Treacle, for me one 7.5mg pill of zopiclone is a strong dose. Of course everybody is different, that's why I say "lightly" ;)
 
2 weeks and 3 days since last dose.
Went on imipramine as I had decided I could not cope with ssri's and GBL had now turned bad on me. B vits, L-Glutamine and the odd benzo and I feel better than 2 weeks after many withdrawals....although imipramine (56 fucking years since invention) is considered by some the ultimate anti-depressant.
Having baths and scrubbing my skin almost raw and then lying in bed to recover then going somewhere helps.
I have asked about pregabalin, but the Dr of course said "we'll cross one bridge at a time" which is pretty much the only thing to say.....unless giving someone 2 prescription drugs they've never had before and leaving them a month to see what happens is anyones idea of good.
My anxiety isn't so bad, its about 80% depression and 20% anxiety that keep me down.
Of course now I'm on an old school trycyclic I have to seriously watch what drugs I put in my system, stims look no no, kills MDMA, boosts psyches up,and can be good or bad with various downers. I would expect to be taken off benzos for pregabalin though, if it and imipramine can boost them then I could be back in la Hopital when I'm trying not to be suicidal.
Possibly feel ok today as had good fri and sat although, someone had me smoke 2 shotties of the strongest indica I've ever had and I only just made it home without a show of unconsciousness. Been asking for quality indica for some time, then they spring it on me and there was no comparison to anything I've ever had before....although it could have been a cross-reaction with some things still metabolising in my body.


Anyway back to the GBL. 4th day off it I wrote DO NOT TAKE FOR 6 MONTHS OR MORE. Currently I am certainly confident that I can manage 3 months. Also, apart from healthy things and a few prescription things I should not practice the concept of swapping one addiction for another as I have been playing for several years now.
I have to work out that there need to be several sober days a week, had 5 last week. And that I don't get into drugs that require 24/7 dosing AND make me feel shit.

Building up a list of substances I may be able to mix with medications and thinking about a max of 3 and sometimes 4 days a week on things. :)
 
BB, how is imipramine for you? Is it sedative or stimulant? (It can be both btw, I do take amitriptyline which is sedative, I'd never take a stimulant).
 
Its strange, yes it has some stim properties and some sedative. This has led to me feeling a bit strange at various point in the day. I wouldn't touch amitryptiline with a barge pole as it has really high anti-cholinergenic and anti-histaminagenic activity which can fuck with shit big time, it looks like crash weight gain stuff too.
I spent time last year looking through every available anti-depressant on the NHS without getting put on buperenorphine, which only a drug- addictions Dr can prescribe as far as I know and plumped for imipramine.
I haven't had any actual bad efffects but I'm taking 25mg x3 a day and I keep going one day 3 times, next day twice etc cos I can't get the timing right. I've also read that it can take 11 - 28 days for the positive effects to kick in...so any posititvity I feel currently is diet/vitamins/whatever based. I would love for it to work, nothing I've had in the past has.And I'm watching that weight as I'd lost 2 stone since christmas and I'd prefer to lose more still.
I tried Lofepramine once and that sent me to hell, its 100% stim, after 2 days I couldn't eat or sleep for more than 2 hours. Imipramine seems to be in some strange mid ground that as yet I can't describe, I'd need at least another month on it before I decide if it works or if it should go.
 
Pregabalin will likely pile on the pounds. It makes me pretty hungry, especially when I first wake up, which is unusual for me.
 
Definitely. I don't mind getting a bit plumper for the state of my mental health and ability to lead a normal life.
 
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