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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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Darn. Well, thankfully with the GBL I managed to get off the Diazepam and a three - four year bottle of spirits addiction extremely quickly. Almost no taper and almost no noticable effects. It wasn't my intent to do so, it just kinda... Happened. Almost no withdrawals (that I noticed) on each. So I have boxes and boxes of Diazepam. Taking huge amounts of Diazepam just seems to make me chilled, and I can't sleep and still get the shakes pretty badly. I suppose I might just stick to my flat for a few days or so, stock up get on the drink for three days (not liking that, but doubt I'll ever want to go back there anytime soon) and an extremely quick Baclofen taper.

Silly trading one (well, two) addictions for another, but at least a month or so of GBL binging is probably better than remaining an alco, and the shorter withdrawals should be more managable.

Perhaps I might save a few days worth of two mL GBL doses in separate containers for each day when things really get bad. Certainly won't have enough to actually keep going with it.
 
Damnit. Just when I was preparing myself for getting off this stuff with my last 50mLs, the bloody UPS fellow showed up with a 'present' from *somewhere* in the form of a one Litre bottle that I'd comepletely forgotten about ordering... Of course, I must have been high on GBL when I did order it...

I suppose it's nice to know that orders from Europe can possibly still get through. Is this against the rules to mention that? Still, not adviced.
 
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I guess I was in no way addicted to g per say, but have depended on it far too much for fall sleep, which means I know have a lot of insomnia :(
 
That worked for me. 50mg librium 4 x daily reduced over 11 days. I finished my detox on October 11 2009(I think) and I've lapsed twice since.

Just on topic it's not easy to get a tapered script, you have to go through the whole process of going to the addiction centre for 2/3 months first and then hope you don't fuck up during or after the detox because you have to go through the whole process again. If you wanna get off it though it's worth it.

Don't be discouraged by the remark about it being hard to get a benzo taper script. I guess it depends on the doctor, but I simply went to see my GP and he had me on a Librium taper within 24 hrs, no strings attached. I went in for a followup 3 days later, and having only slept a few hrs in that period he prescribed me Zolpidem when I asked for it too (20mg on top of the Librium allowed me to sleep). No visits to any addiction centres or anything else required. I think I was lucky here, but I guess the point is you wont know until you see the doc and ask. I was actually very direct, honest and asked specifically for the meds I wanted so maybe that is a good approach.

I've done a Valium taper before, and IMO Librium is the better option. I started on 50mg 3x per day tapering over 10 days. It wasn't long enough (think its day 13 or so now) and the last couple of days without any benzos have been tough, but at least I've had ambien to sleep and a little wine every few hrs is keeping me functional, though I'm unable to do anything that requires too much thought. Even this post is pretty muddled and I'm not nailing the points i want to make very well.
Librium is milder than Valium and didnt zonk me out nearly as much while still just about managing to keep the WD in check. Even on 150mg/day i wasnt drowsy (hence the need for ambien) and my memory was significantly better than when I tapered with Valium
 
When you get the withdrawals really bad, even frankly stupid amounts of benzos just don't get you to sleep and stop 'those' feelings. Has anyone been through benzo withdrawal as well, to compare them?
 
Obviously it depends how badly addicted your are to either drug. The WDs from each share a lot in common but the main differences I noticed were:
1) that benzo WDs are much more drawn out than G WDs, and
2) there's a lot more delirium and hallucinative aspects in G WD.

I haven't experienced either for a few years and I'm sure there are other significant differences, but these are the main things that stuck in my mind.
 
Yeah, G WDs go away quite quickly. I'm happy to say I've never had benzo WDs, and I hope I never do.
 
Right, the following is going to probably sound rather pathetic and irresponsible. I'm not proud of my actions but this is the way things are, for whatever reason.

Around 17/18 I started binge drinking, as pretty much everyone in Scotland does. I still drink quite a bit and have a very high tolerance, but I've calmed down a little and I wouldn't say I'm an alcoholic - it's a substance I can take or leave (although usually it's take!). Around about a year ago, after much thought due to my reckless nature with regard to substances, I decided to purchase a 500ml bottle of GBL in a bulk deal with friends online. After 2 or 3 weeks of almost nightly use (few ml a night) I got quite nasty withdrawals. Not major or anything, but they lasted on and off for a week, and were the worst withdrawals I've experienced (I had no benzos then). A few months later I decided that I couldn't control my use and I chucked the bottle out. I'd use it nearly every night, that instant hit of happyness was too alluring. I'd also started using benzos sporadically for comedowns and also sometimes during the middle of the week when I'd often experience bad anxiety, probably down to the benzos wearing off and my gaba related withdrawals hitting me. (My idea is that my weekend binge drinking and long GBL use combined with semi-regular use of long enacting benzos has meant my gaba levels are essentially permanently very high, so whenever the benzos wear off I hit mad anxiety etc).

Recently I purchased GBL again, telling myself I'd only use it on weekends. Then of course that changed to every second night, and before I know it I'm on it practically every day/night again. I keep a note of all my GBL use and the last 2 weeks has seen me doing about 5-10ml (nearer 10 probably) pretty much every day.

I'm basically concerned with all my gaba abuse that I'm going to hit some horrible brick wall soon, or maybe I'm blowing things out of proportion. If I hit GBL withdrawals soon, benzos would be the sensible solution. However, such is my use of benzos (generally valium or nitrazepam a couple of times a week) and all the cross tolerance of GABA substances (despite GHB operating on a different gaba receptor to benzos/booze), I might be about to hit a sticky predicament. I think I'd rather kill myself than go through benzos and gbl withdrawals at the same time.

I'm trying at the moment to stay the hell away from benzos, the long half-lives are making me think everything is ok all the time when its not.

I know what I need to do is simply just go clean, maybe use a tapering schedule of benzos and no other narcotics for a lengthy period. But it's not as easy as that, I always end up giving in after a couple of days and having some of that nice GBL...or a good few drinks etc.

This is something I've been wanting to get help with for a long time, think I might be getting in serious trouble here. Not sure if I've really articulated myself well either. What I probably need is a kick up the arse and a stint in the army or something...XD. I'm not even sure what I'm asking here, I think advice from anyone who's had similar GABA problems would be helpful?
 
I've just noticed WD's again today. Time for a break! I always convince myself I can do things sensibly but everytime I prove myself wrong.
 
Right, the following is going to probably sound rather pathetic and irresponsible. I'm not proud of my actions but this is the way things are, for whatever reason.

Around 17/18 I started binge drinking, as pretty much everyone in Scotland does. I still drink quite a bit and have a very high tolerance, but I've calmed down a little and I wouldn't say I'm an alcoholic - it's a substance I can take or leave (although usually it's take!). Around about a year ago, after much thought due to my reckless nature with regard to substances, I decided to purchase a 500ml bottle of GBL in a bulk deal with friends online. After 2 or 3 weeks of almost nightly use (few ml a night) I got quite nasty withdrawals. Not major or anything, but they lasted on and off for a week, and were the worst withdrawals I've experienced (I had no benzos then). A few months later I decided that I couldn't control my use and I chucked the bottle out. I'd use it nearly every night, that instant hit of happyness was too alluring. I'd also started using benzos sporadically for comedowns and also sometimes during the middle of the week when I'd often experience bad anxiety, probably down to the benzos wearing off and my gaba related withdrawals hitting me. (My idea is that my weekend binge drinking and long GBL use combined with semi-regular use of long enacting benzos has meant my gaba levels are essentially permanently very high, so whenever the benzos wear off I hit mad anxiety etc).

Recently I purchased GBL again, telling myself I'd only use it on weekends. Then of course that changed to every second night, and before I know it I'm on it practically every day/night again. I keep a note of all my GBL use and the last 2 weeks has seen me doing about 5-10ml (nearer 10 probably) pretty much every day.

I'm basically concerned with all my gaba abuse that I'm going to hit some horrible brick wall soon, or maybe I'm blowing things out of proportion. If I hit GBL withdrawals soon, benzos would be the sensible solution. However, such is my use of benzos (generally valium or nitrazepam a couple of times a week) and all the cross tolerance of GABA substances (despite GHB operating on a different gaba receptor to benzos/booze), I might be about to hit a sticky predicament. I think I'd rather kill myself than go through benzos and gbl withdrawals at the same time.

I'm trying at the moment to stay the hell away from benzos, the long half-lives are making me think everything is ok all the time when its not.

I know what I need to do is simply just go clean, maybe use a tapering schedule of benzos and no other narcotics for a lengthy period. But it's not as easy as that, I always end up giving in after a couple of days and having some of that nice GBL...or a good few drinks etc.

This is something I've been wanting to get help with for a long time, think I might be getting in serious trouble here. Not sure if I've really articulated myself well either. What I probably need is a kick up the arse and a stint in the army or something...XD. I'm not even sure what I'm asking here, I think advice from anyone who's had similar GABA problems would be helpful?
Your benzo use (a couple of times a week) is of no concern. When you start dosing more than once every two days, or multiple times a day, then have a break. This has always worked for me. Benzos will help mild G WDs. Just keep an eye on your use of both (even a diary), and watch for spikes in use.
 
Right, the following is going to probably sound rather pathetic and irresponsible. I'm not proud of my actions but this is the way things are, for whatever reason.

Around 17/18 I started binge drinking, as pretty much everyone in Scotland does. I still drink quite a bit and have a very high tolerance, but I've calmed down a little and I wouldn't say I'm an alcoholic - it's a substance I can take or leave (although usually it's take!). Around about a year ago, after much thought due to my reckless nature with regard to substances, I decided to purchase a 500ml bottle of GBL in a bulk deal with friends online. After 2 or 3 weeks of almost nightly use (few ml a night) I got quite nasty withdrawals. Not major or anything, but they lasted on and off for a week, and were the worst withdrawals I've experienced (I had no benzos then). A few months later I decided that I couldn't control my use and I chucked the bottle out. I'd use it nearly every night, that instant hit of happyness was too alluring. I'd also started using benzos sporadically for comedowns and also sometimes during the middle of the week when I'd often experience bad anxiety, probably down to the benzos wearing off and my gaba related withdrawals hitting me. (My idea is that my weekend binge drinking and long GBL use combined with semi-regular use of long enacting benzos has meant my gaba levels are essentially permanently very high, so whenever the benzos wear off I hit mad anxiety etc).

Recently I purchased GBL again, telling myself I'd only use it on weekends. Then of course that changed to every second night, and before I know it I'm on it practically every day/night again. I keep a note of all my GBL use and the last 2 weeks has seen me doing about 5-10ml (nearer 10 probably) pretty much every day.

I'm basically concerned with all my gaba abuse that I'm going to hit some horrible brick wall soon, or maybe I'm blowing things out of proportion. If I hit GBL withdrawals soon, benzos would be the sensible solution. However, such is my use of benzos (generally valium or nitrazepam a couple of times a week) and all the cross tolerance of GABA substances (despite GHB operating on a different gaba receptor to benzos/booze), I might be about to hit a sticky predicament. I think I'd rather kill myself than go through benzos and gbl withdrawals at the same time.

I'm trying at the moment to stay the hell away from benzos, the long half-lives are making me think everything is ok all the time when its not.

I know what I need to do is simply just go clean, maybe use a tapering schedule of benzos and no other narcotics for a lengthy period. But it's not as easy as that, I always end up giving in after a couple of days and having some of that nice GBL...or a good few drinks etc.

This is something I've been wanting to get help with for a long time, think I might be getting in serious trouble here. Not sure if I've really articulated myself well either. What I probably need is a kick up the arse and a stint in the army or something...XD. I'm not even sure what I'm asking here, I think advice from anyone who's had similar GABA problems would be helpful?

I have had very similar problems to you. I've posted a few times over the last few pages about my recent detox. My main advice though is to see a doctor. I put off seeing a doctor about my problems for over a year and I now really wish I had gone sooner. Be honest with them, they're there to help, not judge, and it seems that doctors are also beginning to understand how to handle g addiction. If you're anything like me (and it sounds like you are) your G/benzo use is most likely related to underlying depression/anxiety issues. I think the best thing I have done since quitting this time is start CBT. G is an extremely difficult substance to kick for good and I don't think I could do it on my own. I've only been doing the CBT for a couple of weeks now (after the acute withdrawal was over) but its having a very positive impact. It's addressing my depression/anxiety issues in a much more sensible way than G use and with those more under control for the moment I am finding it a million times easier not to take G
 
Getting off this stuff

Started to taper my GBL addiction which I’ve had for 6 months but had increased in the last 3 weeks to 3ml 5x a night to sleep due to depression, I have never used it in the day and now want to stop taking it at night to and get off the stuff, I had 3ml 4x last night (got about 6 hours sleep) but not sure how many nights I should continue at 3ml x 4 before I cut down to 3ml x 3 then 3ml x 2 etc. Any help and advice would be great, have also got Diphenhydramine (25mg tabs) to help me sleep if I need them when I get down to 3ml x 3 a night etc, do you think they will help?.
 
They might help a bit. If you're not taking it during the day, I reckon you'll be off it very quickly and easily. Have a drink instead for a few days.
 
Fuck me you people need to get up to 30+ mls a day for a month or so and then cold, hard, dry, screaming, bloody turkey.;)
Then you might be turned off for a while.
Me personally I did 3 weeks 500ml 24/7 in 2006 and the hell I found was so deep, dark and black that I stopped using for 7 months.

I just went a month without and have used for 1 day today. Will be coming off tomorrow. Have drawn up plans for the rest of the year......there may be the dark eternal damnation that I can find sources for after I run out of my current 1l+ hidden stash....:|
Or I'll move to the Czech Republic......a large possibility:\
 
Coming off G is a nightmare. Even after the initial hell, I found that I had severe depression for a month afterward, and anxiety at a chronic level for a good 3 weeks.

Its been 8 weeks now since I last had any G. My anxiety is still an issue, as is depression. I take anti depressants and propranolol anyway, but my symptoms prior to taking G were manageable, but after G, they're very problematic.

I found diphenhydramine useless to alleviate withdrawal symptoms. Baclofen did help, and diazepam helped when I was self medicating between bottles arriving.

The only thing that stopped the psychosis (auditory and visual hallucinations) was olanzapine, which I was given in detox. But they gave me nothing else, so I had the physical sickness, which was really bad, and chronic anxiety and paranoia and depression. This lasted a week, and tapered off towards the end, but the depression persisted, and I still have it today. The psych at the local drug clinic wants to supplement my venlafaxine with mirtazapine to see if it helps, as she said my neurtransmittors/receptors were basically fucked after so much G, and it would take a while for them to reset.

I read a good article on the projectGHB site about the aftermath of detox. The depression and anxiety can persist for a very very long time in some cases - those prone to depression prior to embarking on their G journey suffered worst. Suicides months after coming off were reported also, and I have felt that way, though thankfully not actively - but the ideation is a bastard.

Even with all that, its still tempting to get more G! How crazy is that. :(
 
Hi people, first timer here. Ive been (ab)using G for one month now (about 16g a day) and decided last night that maybe its time for a break. I havent had any G in 14 hours now and except for a little bit of sweating and a (light) pressure on my chest the WD symptoms seem to be mild. I was wondering for how long one has to abuse G before the really sucky WD symptoms kick in (i can imagine that it differs per person). I would also like to know when generally youd be on the "peak" of your WD. Is it 4 hours after your last dosage? A day? A week? The Inet doesnt seems to have a clear answer on this question. I know its dangerous to go cold turkey but since the WD symptoms seem to be so mild id rather get of the wagon completely if thats possible at al.
Last but not least i would like to thank Bluelight and all its forum members for providing an excellent resource on drugs. I think the information posted here has helped a lot of people!
 
Hi people, first timer here. Ive been (ab)using G for one month now (about 16g a day) and decided last night that maybe its time for a break. I havent had any G in 14 hours now and except for a little bit of sweating and a (light) pressure on my chest the WD symptoms seem to be mild. I was wondering for how long one has to abuse G before the really sucky WD symptoms kick in (i can imagine that it differs per person). I would also like to know when generally youd be on the "peak" of your WD. Is it 4 hours after your last dosage? A day? A week? The Inet doesnt seems to have a clear answer on this question. I know its dangerous to go cold turkey but since the WD symptoms seem to be so mild id rather get of the wagon completely if thats possible at al.
Last but not least i would like to thank Bluelight and all its forum members for providing an excellent resource on drugs. I think the information posted here has helped a lot of people!

I just noticed that my original post says 16g but since my G is 50% its 8g a day instead of 16. Also, minor bump!
 
You're talking GHB and we talk GBL in ml here not g.
However lets assume ita a "respectable" amount to come off.
The first time I did it for 6 days 30-35ml a day stopped dead in the middle of the day and slept that night,noticed no withdrawals.2nd time I took it 24/7 hardcore and was awake for half a night,but no nausea,no pounding heartbeats,no psychosis, no wakefulness for weeks. Then didn't have any for 3 months and fucked around with my anti-depressant.This time my last dose was 11pm and I woke up at 1am then was unbearably tired and couldn't get out of bed till 1am, then I staggered to the dr's to pick up my old anti-depressant and ate it.Went home and lay in bed in the dark it felt like I'd take the strongest E ever.Basically take 250mg venlafaxine with very high dopamine and for about 4 hours I couldn't move or open my eyes, it felt like what I imagine 500mg MDMA might feel like.Then it wore off and I eventually had 2 hours sleep,to make thing worse I had lost a lens from my glasses and had glass in my foot.
Next day felt much better and went to parents had bath,got glass out foot and ate for the first time in a couple of days. Went to sleep that night normally I think.
Next time I was on venlafaxine and having baths and eating valerian and watching Airplane 2 and slept on the 2nd night for 9 sane inducing hours.
Last of my bad times for nearly 18 months time, I did 250ml in 10 days and ordered more in time,this time I couldn't stop.I didn't sleep for 5 days and when I could first eat I really started the hallucinations which only went away when I got drunk the next day, I was so psychotic that I was living in
# The Sandman: The Kindly Ones, the ninth volume of The Sandman comic book series by Neil Gaiman
and there were witches and demons and one of the main characters has a severe mental breakdown. Didn't think of taking for 3 months. After 4 months I wanted more but the bank wouldn't let me pay on line until 7 months when I got a totally more realistic plan and never went without sleep or lived in someone's book.8)
 
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