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Regular outdoors growers will acknowledge the list of challenges we face to be a long one and for better than half the year our plants are seldom far from our thoughts.
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yep. better edit to keep myself safe and not break any rules here.

Stay under 5 indoor or out tho (if possible!), otherwise next step up in a court of law.
 
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^ This seems like sensible advise for growers looking after their own needs though LE might not always applaud your conservative ways. 2x espaliered monsters can produce the weight yield of 4-6 standard upright plants and in the sad event of a bust the cops have the final say on how harshly they want to come down on you for those couple of plants.
 
I dont think the cops have the final say in it, a judge does. Cops are there to preform the bust and catalog everything for when it does goto court. They have to take samples and weights for when it goes to court.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/dmata1985256/sch1.html

Goto cannabis and look at the differences between 'small quantity', 'indictable quantity', 'commercial quantity' and 'large commercial quantity'

enhanced indoor means- 5, 50, 50, 200+

Outside- 5, 50, 250, 1000+

It doesnt go on height or weight, it goes on amount of plants grown. The weight might come into some aspect of it tho. I think they weigh the whole plant, stems, roots sometimes, all of it.

as far as i know anyway..
 
"commercial quantity", in relation to a prohibited plant or a prohibited drug, means a number or amount, if any, specified opposite the prohibited plant or prohibited drug in Column 4 of Schedule 1.
"cultivate", in relation to a prohibited plant, includes:
(a) sow or scatter the seed produced by the prohibited plant, and
(b) plant, grow, tend, nurture or harvest the prohibited plant.
"cultivation by enhanced indoor means", in relation to a prohibited plant, means cultivation of the plant:
(a) that occurs inside a building or structure, and
(b) that involves any one or more of the following:
(i) the nurture of the plant in nutrient-enriched water (with or without mechanical support),
(ii) the application of an artificial source of light or heat,
(iii) suspending the plant’s roots and spraying them with nutrient solution.
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what do they count as plants? For example if you had 2 flowing plants, a mother and two clones.
 
Here is where the inconsistency begins. Plants are counted as plants be they seedlings, juveniles, point-of-pull or harvested stumps still in the ground or pots. Discarded males/hermaph's/stragglers are also counted if found intact. They all have potential to end up on the streets according to the Govt. line. Once the booty has been carted away the police prosecutor will decide how to deal with you and how the charges will be worded. Of course there are all sorts of mitigating circumstances that will influence how the vigouorously the Crown prosecutes the case eg. Repeat offense(s), being lippy during the bust, evidence of commerce etc. For instance, the penalty for 38 mature females, 16000 seeds, growing records and 5 kg of rotted cannabis compost was a $6000 fine + costs - first offense. Six years later, the 2x espaliered thumpers alone cost the same amount in fines and the promise of jail if this otherwise lawbiding individual fronted court again. Go figure.
 
Hmmm goto love the dry spell i continue to go through. I hope others are as fortunate to not get fucked around waiting for 2 hours for nothing....but unanswered phone calls :(
 
anyone know what exactly it is in australian (melbourne specific perhaps but seems to be most everywhere) buds that gives it that typical orange hair? when i first moved here from overseas to melbourne i was stoked to find that almost all the bud i got had orange hairs, and that it was all awesome! now a few years on i'm craving for variety, but can't seem to find much.

anyone got any insight into what gives aussie buds those orange hairs? what are they made of? do they actually get you high?
 
^ Over the roughly ten years I have been smoking I have come across many different types of weed in appearance, smell, taste, potency and range of effects. I would say that it is VERY common to find orange hair commercial bud (although I have got quite a bit of red haired shit over the years too), the reasons fo which I could only really speculate. Perhaps its just due to the fact that its not a great deal of people at the very top controlling a lot of huge commercial grows and they tend to use the same strain over and over, perhaps there is something about these orange haired types that goes well in an Aussie climate? I couldn't really tell you.

I know quite a number of people who seem to take hairs as an indication of potency, in my experience this isn't really something to go by alone when judging the quality of buds.
 
All of the orange/red etc etc hairs are pistils that are meant for catching pollen off males plants. They can also contain trichomes and yeah it'll get you high if they do. Should be able to see crystals on them too if its decent buds.
 
most of the commercial bud grown in Australia is your standard big bud or big bud x haze.

Orange hairs on the bud show me that the plant was chopped at the right time. It's all those gnarly white hairs on the plant when it's growing dried up. Not sure why your only seeing these in Aus as most plants have them, to varying degrees.

I've smoked cones of just the red hairs and it's not as strong as the whole bud.
 
^ yeah, i've never seen trichomes on the hairs, but i'm sure it's not impossible. i only really pay attention to the hairs for the same reason - as a sign of being harvested at the right time.
you see some pretty crazy coloured weed these days, i'd love to vape me some of that purple californian shit. one day i'd love to have the means to grow my own, but i usually get blueberry.
not that i'm complaining (at all!) but the idea of having a variety of strains to choose from sounds like a dream come true. australia's cannabis culture is still in it's infancy, in some ways.
 
^ You can say that again, its pretty crazy how unrefined Aussie smoking culture is compared to say West Coast USA. They have that shit down to an art form where over here its pretty much just take what you can get, I reckon on the whole Aussie smoke is pretty decent quality and price wise its really just the lack of variety and dealer (as well as most users for that matter) knowledge is very small. The sad part is most of my friends if given the oppurtunity to pay roughly 1.5 times what they currently do per ounce for some of that KILLER shit that you VERY rarely see here they wouldn't. People are willing to pay 10-20% more for quality but the fact of the matter that isn't enough incentive for people to put the effort it takes to come out with true super quality shit.

People are so gullible as well, I remember last year there was some purple buds going around my area and they were less than average in quality but people were willing to pay 15-20% more for the novelty of smoking a purple plant. Pretty retarded the same people wouldn't pay a little more for shit that a couple tokes has you on your ass.

I tend to have 2 or 3 different types of weed on hand because i save up lesser amounts from past batches so I can mix it up. I find one of the drawbacks of being a high volume smoker who tries to get by economically by purchasing on the larger end of the retail scale is that you get tolerant to specific strains. Everytime I pick up a fresh batch I get super stoned (unless its garbage) but no matter how dank the weed is if I smoke the same shit every day for a month even large amounts of it have little effect.
 
I got super mega high the other day, and I started saying words that aren't real (only twice), and remembering images from my childhood that aren't real. Not sure if I should smoke again or not.
 
yeah, i agree that mixing it up is a good way to maximise - or at least better notice the subtleties of - the effects.

i think the sophistication (or lack thereof) in most australian cannabis cirlces (as opposed to west coast US, parts of canada or amsterdam) comes down to the size of the market and the demands of most smokers.
it's obviously hard to comment outside of your experience on these kinds of things, as it is illegal and underground, but it seems to me that a lot of smokers will take what they can get, and ask no more.
some people i know prefer 'bushies', but everyone else seems to see hydro as hydro and care little else about it. so long as it's not wet, it weighs up and smells nice, they're happy.

to a lot of people, there are two kinds of weed - not sativa and indica - but bushies and hydro!
i suppose a lot of the time, strains in australia are only really of interest to growers or small groups of educated heads, unless there is some fancy name to throw around (northern lights or whatever 'brand name' strain).
i think there is a perception amongst my group of friends that most 'bikie weed' is shit, grown to maximise profit (and little else) and harvested prematurely.
while awareness of different sorts of cannabis is starting to catch on in australia, thanks to the internet, i think we are taking a step back into the dark ages legislation-wise, having gone from decriminalisation (for possession and a couple of outdoor plants) in most states to this recent widespread banning of paraphernalia. pretty heartbreaking.
i was hoping, in that little dabble with liberalisation, that our cannabis culture would evolve a bit, but i think we will be slipping back into the shadows without having made much progress. this "oil pourer" nonsense is just infuriating.

i think the evolution of cannabis cultures in the last few decades has depended on one really important thing - where archaic laws exist, cannabis culture is stifled. people smoke out of plastic bottles with hosepipe stems and coke-can bongs because there is no interaction or meaningful knowledge shared between smokers. this only increases harm and irresponsible use.

on the other hand, when people can buy and sell beautiful smoking tools (like the spectacular american glassware you see online) and share information without fear of persecution and imprisonment, we see great advances such as the incredible vaporisers you can get nowadays. safer growing and consumption techniques are the result - less ignorance, less harm...unfortunately not what the prohibitionists want; those sadistic fuckers actually want drug users to fuck their lives and bodies up to prove their point, and they engineer this kind of things in their laws in the name of "protecting our kids" and other such manipulative piffle.

perhaps it is more of a cultural thing though? alcohol is legal and accepted here, and australians have a reputation the world over for unsophisticated drinking habits. maybe it is stereotyped cultural snobbery, but i think there is more than a little truth to it.
i would like to think that with a little guidance and education we could all move past this, but maybe that's just how aussies like to party?
either way, at the moment i'm most content when i'm lying in bed with my girl and my vaporiser. <3
 
Awesome post spacejunk, there definately are a lot of factors and you raise some good points, however I do think that even in areas with less liberal laws there is more of a distinction made. I guess in the US brand name strains are going to carry over to states that don't have liberal medical laws or a huge smoking culture to atleast some extent, but beyond that you see a pricing difference amongst several different classes of weed which you just don't really see here unless the stuff is garbage or out of this world or the odd occassion theres a point of differentiation from traditional cannabis like the rare occassion it has a brand name or my experience of people wanting the novelty of smoking something purple.

I think the fact people here are most likely to differentiate between bush and hydro is pretty telling, I think most places that don't neccessarily have a wide range of branded weed most users would be more educated on the difference between sativa and indica. The most ironic thing is that probably most smokers I know would associate the word sativa with cannabis, yet wonder what the fuck I was talking about if I said indica, meanwhile most of the shit they smoke is probably atleast 60% indica - fucking ludicrous!

I do think that when it comes to getting fucked up in Australia we perhaps aren't the most sophistiacted culture in the whole world, the fact is we drink a shitload, are currently world leading cannabis users, used to be world leading ecstasy users, probably fairly well up there when it comes to meth abuse, yet MOST users I encounter of any or all of these substances are pretty uneducated and unsophisticated... It is very disappointing because if you look at the oppurtunities most people are given in this country you would expect the average person to perhaps be a little smarter. I have to admit the vast majority of my experience ties into lower socio economic areas, but statistically these are the places drugs get used and abused the most and a little bit of widespread knowledge in these communities could go a long way to reducing drug related harm and perhaps even changing the tide on community attitudes and drug policy.
 
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I do think that when it comes to getting fucked up in Australia we perhaps aren't the most sophistiacted culture in the whole world, the fact is we drink a shitload, are currently world leading cannabis users, used to be world leading ecstasy users, probably fairly well up there when it comes to meth abuse, yet MOST users I encounter of any or all of these substances are pretty uneducated and unsophisticated... It is very disappointing because if you look at the oppurtunities most people are given in this country you would expect the average person to perhaps be a little smarter. I have to admit the vast majority of my experience ties into lower socio economic areas, but statistically these are the places drugs get used and abused the most and a little bit of widespread knowledge in these communities could go a long way to reducing drug related harm and perhaps even changing the tide on community attitudes and drug policy.
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that's a really good point - we are a country that by all rights should know better.
i think in this case, a reasonable analogy can be made with sex and sex education. where better sex education exists, you see less unplanned pregnancies, a lower birth rate and lower rates of preventable sexually transmitted infections.
in countries that are very poor, or very religious - where sex education is frowned upon - you tend to have the opposite of this. knowledge gives individuals power over their own lives.
in australia we have a high incidence of substance use/abuse - often accompanied by ignorance or indifference about the drug in question, its safety, its origin, its potential harms. people often mistake my desire to understand what i put in my body as a drug obsession - rather than a desire to minimise harm (ok, maybe a little obsession - but i don't understand the distrust of knowledge when it comes to drugs).
drug education is still very much cloaked in taboo here. government policies are explicitly centred around "keeping young people off drugs" rather than focussing efforts on keeping young people safe, whatever choices they make. it's a puritan attitude of "just say no" - there is very little information offered to people who choose not to say no - and even a cursory glance at a government drug pamphlet will show up a handful of glaring errors, misconceptions and straight-out mistruths. a handful of bluelighters could write a better harm minimisation pamphlet - with realistic advice and useful warnings - in an afternoon over coffee.

it's been over 10 years since i was in high school, but i'm sure little has changed in the sense that drug education is light on facts and heavy on stereotypes. schools are probably not properly equipped to teach kids much about drugs, but the sense of disapproval that permeates the majority of "taking to kids about drugs" efforts does little to really help. i know that in my case, it was all "too little too late" anyway.
i'm sure there are countries in the world that have much more openness in discussing these things. i don't know where, but australia certainly doesn't have any realistic drug education - for children, parents or drug-taking adults - except that created by drug advocacy groups. and generally this information is only sought out by users who are looking to minimise harm, particularly in their existing intravenous drug use practices.

the implication is that if you choose to take drugs, you more or less deserve whatever harm you encounter.
we're told not to take drugs so much - with no regard given to the fact that people will - people do - anyway.
drug takers are criminals, widely demonised and thus drug taking is seen as a rebellious act of risk taking - and rebels don't study up on the risks they are about to take, they just close their eyes and jump in head first.

i think this is why we have a situation where kids buy and ingest piperazine pills week in, week out - whether they know what's in them or not. or why people take unknown "herbal party pills" from dodgy "legal herb" stores, without having the slightest idea what is in them. its why people smoke synthetic cannabinoid blends daily without attempting doing any research into the active ingredients.

our drug education policies are the equivalent of a fundamentalist christian "abstinence only" sex education program - full of falsehoods, based on a lie and a complete failure in practice.
 
I care an extreme amount about the nugs I get, but in saying that will almost always smoke anything at the end of the day. In Melbourne if it's covered with brown hairs I am 98% certain it comes from the Vietnamese syndicates and the reason why the hairs are so dark and long is due to two reasons - big bud steroid (Ah ! i have a feeling thats not what it's called. Whatever the shit is, it's been banned in holland for causing prostate cancer) as well as growing the buds right until the very end of their cycle.

By using steroids and growing them for such a duration it increases yield but tremendously takes elements of the high away and is just left with the couch lock nothing stone... I fucking HATE the shit covered in hairs.

Numerous times a friend has done their first grow be it indoor or outdoor from either random bag seed or some "good" seeds but rarely from foreign seeds and almost every single grow by these noobs has shitted all over the local crap.

It is beyond me how/why we smoke the shit we do, there is no taste.. the high has no character, often very little smell and it's just fucking yuck! One way of "testing" your bud is in a joint, often the full comercial shit smokes terribly in a joint (and you really can notice how tasteless/shit tasting it is) where as goes down okay in the traditional Aussie bong.

Living in Cambodia smoking phenomenal bright green buds really made me appreciate good quality weed. Outdoor sativa sticky as shit... mhhhmm.

Can I post this? http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...30224787_100001821534255_182461_8265067_n.jpg it's not me + it's on a public FB ... but I most certainly was there for that 100G mix... 3 nights in a row... teheh.

Our weed market makes me sad.
 
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