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Never gave it too much thought but wouldnt nearly all the money that has been spent on cannabis end up in the governments hand anyway? I mean the people at the very very top of the chain spend money on items too which are all taxed. If they have no money to spend the government wouldnt have money either. I also know that drugs can ruin the economy of the country. Its funny now that I think about it. Money does make the world go around but to a certain extent. Thoughts? Am I seeing it right?
 
poledriver said:
Even though i havent smoked pot all yr, I possibly could be done for drug driving with pot that i had smoked at the end of last yr. Pretty shit.
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I'm not sure if thats true, I'm fairly regular smoker (smoke most days in the evening) and I was tested at an RBT. I'd shared a joint the day before and turned up negative, it was the type where I had to lick the side of my mouth then lick a swab.

This was in QLD, not sure if different states use different tests.
 
Sustanon said:
Never gave it too much thought but wouldnt nearly all the money that has been spent on cannabis end up in the governments hand anyway? I mean the people at the very very top of the chain spend money on items too which are all taxed. If they have no money to spend the government wouldnt have money either. I also know that drugs can ruin the economy of the country. Its funny now that I think about it. Money does make the world go around but to a certain extent. Thoughts? Am I seeing it right?
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i don't think it works like that. drug economies and black market economies have their own forces, and sure some of the money stimulated by the illegal drug industry may be used to purchase goods that incur tax, but i imagine that would be very minimal and they avoid the bigger, more obvious taxes like income tax, which is much higher. if you personally earn an income by growing or selling cannabis, you're not paying tax on that, are you?
with bigger operations you'll have things like money laundering as well....and i'm no economist but i'd say most of the money doesn't come back to the government in the end.
i'd say a lot of what comes from the black economy stays in the black economy, but someone better versed in these matters might be able to explain it better.

as for the saliva testing, i think that cannabis is meant to only be detectable a few hours after smoking, but i they decide to blood test you it is likely to be a different matter.
it's also not as straight forward as "i only had 2 drinks 3 hours ago" as a defence. if you get done, or accused of drug driving, i don't know what sort of options you would have in defending yourself legally.
 
spacejunk said:
if you get done, or accused of drug driving, i don't know what sort of options you would have in defending yourself legally.
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I swear officer, I've only had 2 cones this morning. I'm practically sober now :p

On the whole roadside swab thing, (not to sure if its still like this as this happened over 18 months ago) I've had mates in W.A that have been pulled over on the way down south for a drug and alcohol test. (gotta pick on those P platers somehow eh?)

anyway, everyone in the car was literally ripping cones in the 20 minutes leading up to them being pulled over (one of the back passenger had the bong stashed between his legs as the officer approached the car, LOL) so the driver was obvious off his tits.. now, after he had the swab taken, he had to wait for the results to show up.. after ten minutes had past, he was told to leave as the results still hadnt shown up!! 8o

after the incident, he had been told by a couple of people that at the time, if nothing showed up within ten minutes, they legally couldnt hold you there for any longer.. can anyone shed light on this??
 
yeah, the roadside tests are pretty new technology - pretty dodgy from what i understand. i've heard a similar story from a guy who is in his 50s and the biggest stoner i've ever met. he got tested on the way home from a party and they let him go - and he smokes a lot at parties.
i am pretty sure i heard a few years ago that they cost $40 per test (or something like that) so it's an expensive option for wa pol and other states' cops.
not to advocate drug driving in any way - it's a risk to your life and those of other road users - but people shouldn't be unfairly persecuted for having residual amounts of drugs in their systems either.
 
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getyourselfhigh200 said:
I'm not sure if thats true, I'm fairly regular smoker (smoke most days in the evening) and I was tested at an RBT. I'd shared a joint the day before and turned up negative, it was the type where I had to lick the side of my mouth then lick a swab.

This was in QLD, not sure if different states use different tests.
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Yeah you are right. It's not true. They say after 5 hrs you should be sweet, depending on some factors.

How long can they be detected?

Cannabis: Random roadside drug testing can detect cannabis for at least several hours after use. Even after a small amount of cannabis you should not drive for at least five hours. Even though you may not feel the effects, the drug may still be detected in a test.
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http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/fact-sheets/the-facts-about-roadside-drug-testing-web-fact-sheet

And on another site a few users have said like you they came up negative after smoking prior to the swab test.


Thanks, good to know.
 
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I'm curious about whether growers give a second thought to using seed they've either brought back from O/S themselves or found in imported bud. I'm referring more specifically to 'wild' seed as opposed to packaged seed sourced from NL or BC. As we all know, Australia has some of the toughest quarantine laws on the planet and for very good reason. This said, much of Asia, Africa, India etc. which produce masses of ganja also host a shitload of noxious soil and plant-borne diseases which could potentially decimate our horticulture industry. The foreign plots and crops I've seen in my travels were primitively cultivated and you don't want to think about the various by-products used in lieu of expensive manufactured fertilizers. So, what do Aussie growers in particular have to say? Would you use raw foreign seed in your grow-program, knowing the risks involved? The rewards can be very satisfying, but...
Mods, move this post elsewhere if its not in the right place. Cheers.
 
Yeah i read about some growers or dealers doing that to weed a while ago and wondered if it happens much. Whats the point, is it supposed to make it more sticky or smelly or what?
 
Adds weight to it. Overseas ive seen quarts sand added to it, sprayed with sugary water, sprite, dirt and also glass. It amazes me the length people go to just to make a quick buck. Just sell it for more price but then again I guess if its shit weed they wont be able to.
 
I remember reading somewhere about weed that looks like it has way too many crystals, assholes add glass to it, if your weed looks like its got too many crystals, rub it against the back of an old cd and if its glass it scratches it, or there was another way they said to put it on your tongue and it feels like sand but I wouldnt put glassy weed in my mouth lol :/
 
Older readers who remember High Times magazine might recall contributor JJ McRoach calling for a boycott on indica sp. because he reckoned it would cross-pollinate, degrade and eventually spell an end to the pure saliva sp. dominant In the US at the time. His comments generated a lot of discussion among growers big and small who took their trade very seriously. I wonder, at least in outdoors cultivation, if we Aussies have managed to keep them separated or if the hybrid is now king via laziness more than selective breeding practices. To that, does anybody care these days about the linage of the bud they buy? It seems that so long as smokers get some combination of effects and the bud looks ok then they're happy. Bonus if it comes with a fancy name, as well. Anyone care to comment on this one?
 
^ Funny you said saliva instead of sativa :p

I would care about the lineage of the bud I buy if it were remotely possible to make such enquiries from my reliable/regular sources. I care a lot about the quality of my bud and unless broke, given the oppurtunity will always pay more for better quality product unless its extortion. I almost always have 2-4 types of bud on hand and do my best to distinguish the varying effects of the different strains so I can switch it up, but its just different types of weed I buy and save, its not like I often get oppurtunity to buy brand name shit and half the times I have was probably just a marketing scheme.
 
^ Agreed on the world view on preserving the 3 Cannabis varieties, but there are plenty of sativas being produced commercially despite yield and grow-time issues. A mate has grown sativas successfully for years under lights using the 'sea of green' method. His co-partner gets rooted cuttings going from a couple of parent plants grown elsewhere so the SOG is harvested in around the same time it takes for the whole indica cycle to finish.
 
Quick Bump....i hate when you get wet bud, wish ppl would dry the shit out properly....
 
losthippy said:
I'm curious about whether growers give a second thought to using seed they've either brought back from O/S themselves or found in imported bud. I'm referring more specifically to 'wild' seed as opposed to packaged seed sourced from NL or BC. As we all know, Australia has some of the toughest quarantine laws on the planet and for very good reason. This said, much of Asia, Africa, India etc. which produce masses of ganja also host a shitload of noxious soil and plant-borne diseases which could potentially decimate our horticulture industry. The foreign plots and crops I've seen in my travels were primitively cultivated and you don't want to think about the various by-products used in lieu of expensive manufactured fertilizers. So, what do Aussie growers in particular have to say? Would you use raw foreign seed in your grow-program, knowing the risks involved? The rewards can be very satisfying, but...
Mods, move this post elsewhere if its not in the right place. Cheers.
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I have been so tempted to do this on many occaisions, but personally could never bring myself to run the risk of prosecution involved. I dont have a problem with the way they grow it in third world countries ime its usually organic using compost, manure and ash similar to how a lot of people do it here. I think its unlikley that any diseases would come in with clean seeds alone although I wouldnt be averse to treating them/ quarantining them just to be sure.

The other reason I wouldnt take the risk is that most of the seeds I've come accross in those places you mentioned are sativa's and I would prefer to grow indica's. Some of the low thc varieties would interest me because they are sooo different to what we usually get here. Also it would be cool to grow some of the others(Malawi Gold, Durban Poison, Lesotho Matekoane,Thai) just to see how they produce over here. I would be more tempted if I was in Afgan or Nepal and came across some sick indica seeds. But ultimately the quarantine inspectors are so hardcore on any organic material especially in WA that it isnt worth the risk even bringing in legal organic material let alone cannabis seeds.

Apart from the legal risks, what kind of contamination/infection risks do you mean?
 
losthippy said:
I wonder, at least in outdoors cultivation, if we Aussies have managed to keep them separated or if the hybrid is now king via laziness more than selective breeding practices. To that, does anybody care these days about the linage of the bud they buy? It seems that so long as smokers get some combination of effects and the bud looks ok then they're happy. Bonus if it comes with a fancy name, as well. Anyone care to comment on this one?
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I would say hybrids with sativa dominant genes seem to be what is most prevalent in the geat outdoors around my parts. Rarely get anything with a fancy name unless you know someone with clones or who has got some seeds in from O/S. Personally prefer something that isnt too trippy so low thc sativa's or hybrids or lazy indicas are what I would seek out but you pretty much get what youre given- super strong indoor commercially grown indica dom hybrids or outdoor slightly less strong hybrids unless you do it your self. I really envy the dispensary set up they have over in the US at the moment.
 
Had my first bongs in like almost a year the other day, and fk me 1 bong got me stoned haha. We had hydro stuff and it was fkn horrible, the weed was moist which took abit of effort to chop up and was damn harsh on the throat, wish we had some nice outdoor skunk. =/
 
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