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We are talking about a country who are happy to drink cask wine and argue about which beer is better; VB, XXXX, Tooheys' or calton draught. Getting "fucked" is all the majority of the market cares about (and the rest worry about making a profit). I'd be happy to see a solid hash market spring up but I'm afraid it will only result in shitty soap hash.
 
^ here here! So fucking annoying, I know bluelight is a bit different but in my extended circles I feel like im the only one who gives a shit about quality no matter the substance and happy to pay a premium for it. Smoked some Maroc Gold hash the other day at a major outdoor festival and wowww that shit was good... Such a nice strong hashy taste, full body stone... Much stronger than other Maroc I'd smoked.

I'm seeing/hearing about hash popping up more and more... 99% certain its made with bubble bags due to the appearance and taste... The thing people don't get is that leaving it in the water destroys so much of that lush taste.

Would kill some honey oil right now... Grrr... even New Zealands weed market is worlds beyond our own.
 
Would kill some honey oil right now... Grrr... even New Zealands weed market is worlds beyond our own.
Agreed man, NZ's bud is usually consistent in quality and the hash I've had there were pretty fucking lovely. Even when I was a young'un and buying off dodgy tinny houses, the buds were always great and weight was on-point.

Picking up a magic flight launch box next week, can't wait to make the transition from smoking to vaporising! (I accidently broke my bong yesterday, and this was the much needed catalyst for me to pick up a vape)
 
^ Breaking your bong would suck man, given that you have to buy these 'pourer' things now (I am assuming bongs are banned in WA given their strict cannabis laws), I have not actually used one myself but a few of my friends are pretty unimpressed with them. Its good its pushed you to buy a vape but personally I would rather have the option than just be stuck with the vape.

Honey oil/budder is actually something that I could acquire pretty consistently until recently, and still has periodic availability. Just tends to be overpriced in my experience and not really available in larger quantities, also I never did come across any that was quite so potent as the batch I made myself, I think this might be because I smoked mine as oil when usually what I would purchase is budder, which I understand to be honey oil that is whipped into a more solid consistency but at the sacrifice of some potency. I have to admit this shit was generalyl expensive and limited how often I purchased it myself, but most people I know just refused to pay for it which I found perplexing. Probably why the main dude stopped making it.... Could make money easier selling the bloody trim/shake on the cheap.

Some of you guys sound pretty unlucky, I mean I definately think things could be a lot better in this country but I still manage to get nice weed at a good price more often than not. Its just the luck of the draw aspect and lack of real variety that shits me the most about Aussie markets. Zomg I am surprised the average weed available in Cambodia would be particularly potent, although I imagine when you got onto a nice batch it would be hard to top the buzz off some tropical pure sativa. :)
 
clipses - sorry to hear about your bong, but vape = win in by books.
no turning back for this stoner. good medicine!
 
Yeah vaporizers are the best, used to love my extreme Q vape. Much healthier than smoke, ur lungs will be thankful in the long run.
 
Road side testing of cannabis

Road side testing of cannabis

"The level of impairment might not be as severe as alcohol intoxication, but it's there and it does require a public health response," said Professor Wayne Hall, from the University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research.

In Australia, roadside drug testing was first introduced in Victoria in 2004, and has since been adopted by most other states and territories.

But it is unclear whether this strategy is effective, Professor Hall wrote in a separate commentary in the BMJ.

"We've implemented this policy in most states and territories and there just doesn't seem to be the commitment to finding out whether this has been effective or not," he said.

The problem, he argues, is that roadside drug testing has been modelled on the success of random breath testing, but hasn't been evaluated or implemented with the same rigour.

"We don't really know if that's worked and there are very important differences in which roadside drug testing has been done compared with random breath testing," Professor Hall said.

He says while it is relatively easy to measure blood alcohol levels using a breath test, it is much harder to gauge impairment from concentrations of THC in the saliva, so governments use 'zero tolerance' to define impairment.

"[Governments have] simplified it in a sense and avoided the issue of what the level [where driving is impaired] might be," he said.

He says the other issue is that roadside testing has not been as widely implemented or as well publicised as random breath testing.

"I think we need to look at the extent to which people who use cannabis are deterred from driving when they use cannabis. Are they fearful of being detected? Is this a realistic deterrent?" he said.

"We need to do similar things with cannabis [that we did with random breath testing], and probably focus more on younger drivers because that's where use is likely to be highest."​

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-10/smoking-dope-doubles-risk-of-car-crashes/3822668
 
and probably focus more on younger drivers because that's where use is likely to be highest."

Maybe, but i know alot of people who are over 35 who smoke alot of pot and still drive, and quite a few over 50 that do too..
 
Road side testing of cannabis

"The level of impairment might not be as severe as alcohol intoxication, but it's there and it does require a public health response," said Professor Wayne Hall, from the University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research.

In Australia, roadside drug testing was first introduced in Victoria in 2004, and has since been adopted by most other states and territories.

But it is unclear whether this strategy is effective, Professor Hall wrote in a separate commentary in the BMJ.

"We've implemented this policy in most states and territories and there just doesn't seem to be the commitment to finding out whether this has been effective or not," he said.

The problem, he argues, is that roadside drug testing has been modelled on the success of random breath testing, but hasn't been evaluated or implemented with the same rigour.

"We don't really know if that's worked and there are very important differences in which roadside drug testing has been done compared with random breath testing," Professor Hall said.

He says while it is relatively easy to measure blood alcohol levels using a breath test, it is much harder to gauge impairment from concentrations of THC in the saliva, so governments use 'zero tolerance' to define impairment.

"[Governments have] simplified it in a sense and avoided the issue of what the level [where driving is impaired] might be," he said.

He says the other issue is that roadside testing has not been as widely implemented or as well publicised as random breath testing.

"I think we need to look at the extent to which people who use cannabis are deterred from driving when they use cannabis. Are they fearful of being detected? Is this a realistic deterrent?" he said.

"We need to do similar things with cannabis [that we did with random breath testing], and probably focus more on younger drivers because that's where use is likely to be highest."​

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-10/smoking-dope-doubles-risk-of-car-crashes/3822668


It always has angered me. I totally agree anyone driving under the influence whether its alcohol, illicit substances or prescription meds they deserve really harsh penalties, I wouldnt want one of my family members or friends killed because of an idiot but on the other hand a RDT in no way proves the level of impairment. Just because its in ur system doesnt mean ur are effected, of course even when u arnt effected it still can still disrupt ur motor skills. The thing that really shits me the most is when I read soooo many articles and news about people involved in road accidents where all the drivers are taken for a mandatory blood test, so if the driver who wasnt at fault tests up positive guess what happens? How would they prove the drugs caused it even if he was at fault?? There could be millions of reasons that caused the accident but in the news ud be reading another fatality caused by drug driving 100%. The tables turned around which IMO is bullshit. Find a proper way to calculate impairment or dont use these inaccurate methods at all. Its really a joke.
 
Even though i havent smoked pot all yr, I possibly could be done for drug driving with pot that i had smoked at the end of last yr. Pretty shit.
 
Depending on which method they use to detect it yeah? Through hair testing i cant recall how long but I know its bloody long, yeah its bullshit.
 
legalize and tax cannabis you stupid government, u'd make more money from it than alcohol and smokes combined.....
 
People brew there own alcohol and grow tobacco but its still taxed. I think a lot of people wont want to / cant. Setting up a grow op costs quite a bit. Lights, ventilation, tools etc etc etc. Most medicinal users especially in the US buy from dispensaries too as an example.
 
I for one cant grow my own due to current living conditions and I cAnt afford to. If the government sold seeds And somehow monitored homegrown setups like the electricity people do when they check the useage Meter/ had some permit style system. I Could see a taxable form of income. Either wAy more ppl get violent from alcohol when under the influence than someone stoned. Aahhhhh maybe sometime in my lifetime... I'll keep dreaming
 
^^ As far as I know the penalties for growing tobacco far out weigh those for growing weed. They fucking hate that.
 
I thought the whole argument for taxing it was to free up police officers to chase real criminals. It sounds like a whole lot more red tape if they have to suddenly decide if that spliff came from official government supplies or if it is chop chop. It's not like they will bother selling them pre rolled. They don't tax home brew beer (it's impossible to tax yeast, sugar and water on the off chance it is going towards beer).

Sure there will be a market for quality buds that the government will take their 10% from, but to think it will turn into a billion dollar cash cow is a little ridiculous. I live in the subtropics for Pete's sake. Just chuck me a dozen seeds of a half decent strain and I'll grow a fucking jungle on my balcony before you know it. If I can grow orchids I can sure as hell grow a sticky head the size of my arm. They don't call it "weed" for nothing.
 
Pharm companies will the only allowed growers because they would have already established medical marijuana and they will destroy the weed part of the black market by flooding it. No governments gonna stand in their way.
 
^ busty, i don't disagree with your argument, but i think alcohol and cigarettes are taxed a lot more than 10%.

there are a lot of reasons cannabis is illegal - tax is a very small part of that, but of course it is easy to grow cannabis outdoors in many parts of this country. it's true, they don't call it weed for nothing.
in the mid 1960s there was a huge wild cannabis crop found growing along the hunter river in nsw, a remnant of hemp growing in early settlements. i understand it took quite a long time for the authorities to eradicate the crop, and in the meantime lots of people were harvesting it, when people's awareness of cannabis was increasing in this country around that time.
people have come to see hydroponic growing as the norm, but this is due more to the social/legal climate than the physical climate.
 
I thought the whole argument for taxing it was to free up police officers to chase real criminals. It sounds like a whole lot more red tape if they have to suddenly decide if that spliff came from official government supplies or if it is chop chop. It's not like they will bother selling them pre rolled. They don't tax home brew beer (it's impossible to tax yeast, sugar and water on the off chance it is going towards beer).

Sure there will be a market for quality buds that the government will take their 10% from, but to think it will turn into a billion dollar cash cow is a little ridiculous. I live in the subtropics for Pete's sake. Just chuck me a dozen seeds of a half decent strain and I'll grow a fucking jungle on my balcony before you know it. If I can grow orchids I can sure as hell grow a sticky head the size of my arm. They don't call it "weed" for nothing.

I agree with the second part of your argument for once busty :D As described above, this is THE number one cannabis was made illegal in the first place and why it will stay that way for the forseeable future. Compared to plant-derived drugs like tobacco - cannabis needs very little nutrients and has a much better growth profile for the average citizen. Of course, as busty so wisely said - if every man and his dog was planting his own marra seeds in his backyard a multi-billion industry ( who also happen to be a very powerful political lobbying group) would more than likely cease to exist. Couple with the tobacco industry the semi-synthetic and cotton based fibre industry. The rich and influental wouldn't have their profits eaten into for such paultry lower class concerns :p

Harvest time soon, can't wait for beaufitul bush buds to once again fill the streets with their aluring aroma :D
 
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