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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Storage Thread

I have a reliable 10mg scale, that I can use to scale the initial amount.

Say I measure out 100mg. That means it's between 90 and 110 right? pop that into a 50ml vial of high proof vodka, and we have somewhere around 2mg/ml correct? wouldn't this be a reliable way of dosing?

For the CP55940 I should probably use a 100ml vial for more accuracy.

I do plan on buying a scale eventually, just can't at the moment...
 
uNhoLeee said:
Yeah it is in distilled, came home early one night.
Was wondering if it was still active, no point throwing it out then if its still good
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You could just drink it and find out!

But as was said, absolutely do not use tap water.

Chlorine and probably fluorine will destroy LSD.

IMO, blotter, wrapped, in a bottle, in the freezer.

But if it's already in distilled water, you should be ok for a while.
 
I plan on putting 50-100mg of 2c-e in distilled water at 1mg/ml. I am going to put this in a regular poland spring water bottle. Is this a good way of storing it or should I find a glass container? Also, should I put it in the freezer/refrigerator?

I have a 1ml dropper with .1ml markings on it. This should be pretty accurate for measurement, correct?
 
Yea I know, I just don't really see the point in making it so concentrated. The more dilute it is the easier and more accurate it is to measure. I like to know that I am dosing as accurately as possible. Especially since this is my first time trying 2c-e. I don't plan on taking this solution with me anywhere but if I where I would probably make it more concentrated.
 
Hello,
i bought some 2C-E and 4-HO-MIPT, it´s a bigger amount, so i have to store them for a while, i read along this thread and 2C-E seems to be very stable, so i store it in my room @ room temperature, dry and dark in a zip plastic bag, but what about the storage of 4-HO-MIPT? I heard that 4-HO-X chemicals aren´t stable, but more stable than LSD for example, should 4-HO-MIPT be freezed? Or is it okay to store both just in my room, because i don´t know if i have the possibility to freeze them?
Excuse my bad english.

tImmy
 
Question of Tolerance and Purity

So, I've held on to a goodly amount of RCs for a long time now. I got them from a well-known source several years ago and I had a question about tolerance and purity.

Well, I know technically you're supposed to keep your RCs frozen w/ a desiccant in your freezer wrapped in tinfoil and sealed in a jar or something along those lines, right? Is there any way to make a guess at the level of degradation you'd see if they just stayed sealed up, in their baggies, in the refrigerator for 2-3 years?

I ask, because lately I've been ingesting around 50mg and up. This is oral administration w/ a gelcap. I know there are better methods of dosing, but I've always liked sticking to this method because it allows me time to adjust on the come up, forces me to not eat the day of tripping for a clean stomach which clears my mind, etc. I'm a bigger guy, too, but that doesn't really matter in regards to RCs, does it? This dosage sends me on a nice long and productive trip, but it seems crazy to be dosing almost 3x the "normal" amount, you know?

I'm just wondering whether I've built up a tolerance or whether my product has degraded somewhat over the several years sitting sealed up in the fridge. I know it's a bit of an open-ended question, but I'd love to hear what some experienced folks think.
 
2C-E, 2C-T2 mainly.

For awhile I would only trip once every few months, but the past 6-8 it's been more like once or twice a month since I've recently hooked up with some trip buddies I used to know.
 
From the info you've provided i would say that it's a mixture of both. I'm not sure about how long it takes to lose purity, but as you said, your use has increased since you met up with your friends again.
 
the 2c's are usually pretty stable. how do the doses you're taking now compare to the ones you took several years ago, in mg's? I would guess that most tryptamine RC's would've degraded substantially, but I'd think the 2c's would be fine in the refrigerator, especially in hcl salt form, but I'm not sure.
 
If they've been exposed to moisture, they may have degraded, but really, the phenethylamines, the 2C-Xs in particular, are very stable. I've stored a bunch of them at room temperature for long periods of time with no detected loss in potency (although I kept them away from moisture). Given your increase in rate of usage, and familarity with tripping that comes from many accumulated trips, I'd say it's more likely that you are just generally more tolerant to/used to the effects now. Are your trips at 3x the previous level around the same level of power as your old trips? Because after years of tripping, I take around twice the dosage I used to, and my trips are almost never anywhere near as powerful as they used to be at half that dosage. I think it mainly has to do with having a lot of experience with the state... much of the earth-shattering nature of psychedelics comes from the total surprise of the state... it throws you out of your comfort zone entirely because it's so unlike anything you've ever experienced, and this causes you to really think about things in a new way. At some point, you've been to that state enough that no amount of the chemical is going to take you to that same place because you already know what that place is, so the element of surprise is gone. It's at least somewhat normal for you, so it doesn't really seem as profound, because there's not nearly as much of a head change.

That's been my experience at least.
 
Degraded RCs

what if hypothetically your friend had some 4-aco-dmt, or some 2cb, or any RC for that matter that wasn't stored with the best care, and could possibly be degraded? should someone still take it, or could it be more dangerous because of harmful products of degradation?

edit: if this isn't in the right place, sorry. i know you guys can move it around. thanks
 
Moved your question to the Storage Thread, Porkstock. Seemed fitting and right :)

You may well find answers to your questions are held within, but as far as I know, 2C-type chems are pretty resilient and tryptamine-type chemicals degrade easier. Dark, dry and cool conditions benefit both. But I am far from an expert in these matter so maybe have a read through the thread and see what others have to add too :)
 
porkstock said:
what if hypothetically your friend had some 4-aco-dmt, or some 2cb, or any RC for that matter that wasn't stored with the best care, and could possibly be degraded? should someone still take it, or could it be more dangerous because of harmful products of degradation?
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I wouldn't worry about degradation products. The hypothetical 2C-B would probably be fine (phenethylamines are pretty stable), but the hypothetical 4-aco-DMT might be degraded (tryptamines are less stable). It's most likely still safe to take, it just wont be as potent if degradation has taken place. For example a regular 16mg dose might take 18mg of your material.

Tell your friend to store his/her stuff in a lightproof, airtight container in the freezer. You can also put some oven dried epsom salts in the container to absorb any moisture. The epsom salts wont do anything unless they're oven dried though. Also when taking the container out of the freezer, let the closed container sit in room temperature for about an hour so the temperature equalizes so no condenstion will form inside the container.
 
well to clarify, i think my friend stores all his RCs in their original baggies, in a shoebox (dark) in a cool place. he's a lot more experienced with RCs than i am, but i dunno why he doesn't store at least the tryptamines in the fridge. he buys gram amounts and doesn't trip that often, so it sits around for a little while.

i've only had to worry about storing 2ce before, and just to be safe i put the bag in a masor jar with cardboard on the inside to block light, and silica gel packets to absorb any moisture. i only had the stuff for like 4 and a half months, so it was more than likely unnecessary.
 
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