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The Big & Dandy Oral DMT thread (Ayahuasca/Pharmahuasca)

dont know if you did this but you need to crush up the seeds before eating them, or even better extract them in boiling water for a while. the water will turn a flourescent yellow. ayahuasca is often hit or miss iwth me, sometimes it doesnt work even with the same procedure. but when it does work... damn:)
 
tried ayahuasca for the first time, unfortunately it didnt work. I tried the following recipie
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/aya_01.htm#prepare

with 40g cappi and 30g chacruna per person. Boiled and strained with PH adjusted water for about 10 hours, boiled the liquid down to half a glass load and drank it.

I threw mine up after half and hour. The missus kept hers down but didnt trip. I had a bit of crystal DMT which we snorted later and the effects lasted for ages so I suspect the MOAI was working fine.

Next I'm going to try a syrian rue recipie with a larger quantity of chacruna, the vine was so horrible to drink and throw up and I only went with the original recipie because I was told it was good for beginners (ie not too strong).

Shame tho, thats a day of fasting and preparation wasted. Live and learn though!
 
Try eating a couple slices of pizza, with lots of cheese and shit on it.. or something similar, something with lots of fat etc.. i don't know why but it always helps the DMT "kick in".

Like it literally gets stuck or something.. Even if its 5 hours later and you didn't trip try eating something fatty, i've tripped a full 2nd time hours later like this after eating pizza.
 
we made ayahuasca for the 2nd time on boxing day, this time more concentrated. The first time we did it, i didnt feel ill at all and was constantly tripping, but for the other 2 i was with, the trip kept coming and going.

The second time with the more concentrated amount, i threw up straight away and hardly got to trip. 6/7 people who did it the 2nd time threw up, but a lot managed to experience some kind of trip.

but the sickness wasnt just sickness... :S

what did we do rong?! xxx
 
The foolproof method is extracting some DMT and using a 300mg tablet of Moclobemide as the MAOI.
 
Second attempt at DMT Oral

Swim decided to to do dmt oral today. After fasting for 24 hours swim did the following:
He obtained a '5x Harmaline Tincture' with supposedly 75mg alkaloid per dropper. The label said take 3-5 dropperfuls.

Goal 5-6 dropperfuls liquid harmaline 5x tincture
Two capsules (one 90 mg dmt) (one 40 mg dmt) total- 130mg
0:0 – Take 3 dropperfuls tincture
0:5- take 2.5 more dropperfuls tincture
0:12 – take .5 more dropperful tincture
0:23 – not really feeling the tincture. Taken 90 mg dmt capsule
0:28 – cut other dmt capsule open and took that (40 mg)
0:40 – minimal effects (placebo). Taken another ½ dropperful. Total of 6.5-7 dropperfuls consumed.
0:55 – noticing the effects of maoi + slight nausea
1:02 – taken another dropperful tincture (Total 7.5)
1:10 – still nothing extraordinary
1:20 - mild nausea, but passed quickly
1:30 – vaped 40 mg dmt in cano and vomited religiously after 3 hit.
1:38- still feeling effects of vaping
2:08- nothing but minor maoi effects

The capsules and harmaline were taken with half lemon and 1 gatorade.
Swim ordered 200mg caapi copy today and intends to dose with in the future.
Any ideas as to the lack of success?
 
^^

Probably the harmaline didn't work as an MAOI. I never bothered experimenting much with harmaline or caapi so I couldn't really advise you on that. They always caused too much nausea.

The 100% certain way of making sure the MAOI is totally inhibited is to take a 300mg tablet of moclobemide 45 minutes before dropping the DMT. Plus moclobemide doesn't cause any nausea.
 
Smoking a pure DMT sounds by my research a very VERY intense experience, So I'm choosing to start with ayahausca, ordered and home made for myself.

banesteriopsis caapi and psychotria viridis

I plan to use 60 grams of the vine and 30 grams of the leaves.

by what i've read this is what seems to be a mild to possibly moderate dose.

should be VERY interesting
 
NSFW:
Harmala + DMT Extract (Experienced) - The End of Time Celebration and Endless Pain
Me: Years of heavy psychedelic experiences coupled with about 100+ breakthrough DMT experiences, of which very few even provided a fraction of this experience. No stranger to many levels of hellish and divine, pleasurable and painful, confusing and clarifying, blissful and strange experiences. Experimented with traditional tryptamines, countless experiences with various compounds of Shulgin's Phikal and Tikal, a handful of intense combination experiences between ketamine and dmt, deep experiences with psychedelic levels of ketamine, etc etc etc. Experience in both recreational and ceremonial settings. Thought I knew what I was getting myself into before the experience began, but was thoroughly unprepared from the relentless, endless, and mindboggling array of experiences which fit into a single night. Every psychedelic experience preceding this one seemed to be a mere "preview" or "teaser" preceding this epic full length big picture "feature film".

Setting: Deep in the forest, near a clearing, next to a stream, underneath low lying trees
Others: Group/Session Leader and 10 others that I didn't know, as well as a close personal friend
State of Mind: Going through issues of isolation, confusion, lack of a "path" in life post graduation, had not slept in over 24 hours and was initially tired and hesitant, though the tired state of mind quickly dissipated. Dealing with, at the time, chronic disease which caused minor (and sometimes not too minor) constant discomfort/pain.

Ceremony opened up with a statement of intentions going into the session. I was looking for clarity and understanding of who I was and where I was going. We proceeded to ingest, I believe, harmala extract to achieve full MAOI inhibition. We waited about 30 minutes to ingest the 2nd capsules containing the (organically, supposedly) extracted compound from Mimosa Hostilis.

At this point my friend and I took our blankets to a far back area in this wooded clearing under low lying trees next to a small stream. We laid with the stream at our feet and our heads beneath the trees. My friend and I relaxed/meditated and quietly conversed in preparation for the experience.

After some time, maybe 30 minutes, maybe an hour, I began to doubt that I had ingested enough compound. But as quickly as doubt began to set in I began to experience a strange sensation. Translucent holograms of individuals faces began to drift towards me. In succession individuals I had encountered throughout my life drifted transparent and beautiful in front of my face. Each hologram pressed through my head providing me with startling psychic sensations in which I experienced visions from the lives of the individuals I was perceiving.

A particularly startling psychic occurance happened when I saw the face of an ex-lover whom I was experiencing lots of jealously and lust towards. As her face pushed through mine I saw our past lovemaking sessions and then witnessed them morph into intense lovemaking sessions with other men, more competent and better endowed than I, my insecurities swelled up but were slowly quelled as my "love" for her manifested itself as an acceptance and love for the way our paths drifted together then apart and an acceptance of her search for love and pleasure. I found myself at peace and content with her personal autonomy even if it pulled her away from me and my desires.

After this I began to receive strange visions of carnival/festival settings. Giant carnival tents, jeweled and towering, vibrating with sound and energy appeared before me and I entered into them. In these settings interdimensional beings, along with humans, and aliens and all sorts of other archetypal beings were celebrating SOMETHING. Typical "Greys" floated around, though they only had rounded nubs for hands/feet and scrolling glowing alien text on their bodies. Energetic Beings glowed, their neural structures externally apparant and vibrantly pulsating with light. Networks of light and energy swung between and through all the entities. Some entities were time travelers, future versions of humanity, now totally alien in appearance. All of these visions, their content and meaning, all of these entities and their identities were "psychically" interpreted or intuited by me in my experience. As the festivities became more clear I received the psychic intuition that this was the party celebrating the end of all time. These beings were singing, I was singing, we were all singing. Our voices were becoming strange pulsating physical objects rotating infront of these beings and myself. Each object was a piece of visual art, as well as a musical instrument, and beings could sing together to "play" and "paint" these objects with one another, the experience was absolutely orgasmic.

At some point I found myself face to face with my friend who I was laying next to and the festivities quieted down and I found myself floating in a void with my friend. We placed our heads together and our minds began to "meld" in a truly fantastic manner. Our minds merged into a singular form (he reported a similar experience to me after the fact). We were suspended in the void, we were two but we were one. Our bodies morphed into an abstract form much like the Yin/Yang form, singular/dual and all encompassing. Our minds, One mind, all minds, all of existence focused in on us, on me, on this single moment, that lasts forever, that is all that there ever was, is all there there ever will be. At this point I was hit with this realization, which I struggle to comprehend or place into words or fit into my perception of reality, that existence had reached the point where we had to accept the mortality of the universe, not just the individual, and as conscious entities had decided to collapse existence into some sort of singularity and immortal bliss to escape the entropy and pain innate in existence (I really struggle to express what exactly was going through my head at this point). At this point I realized that this obliteration was necessary and began to push this... metaphoric... big red button to end time and the universe as we know it to move on to another realm of existence.

At the point I mashed this button with my mind everything shifted in a truly horrific direction which is far beyond words though I will attempt to express some fraction of this non-linear eternal experience I was hit with next.

A shrill sound pierced the air, this void I was suspended in, painful... It resonated deep in my skull, it was ringing, shrieking, and screaming all at once. Then I realized that I was screaming, that all reality was screaming. Unaware of what I was doing I stumbled to my feet and tumbled into the stream (I only found this out later) at this point I was thrashing in the water screaming and pulling at my hair flailing against the rocks. I had gone mad, I had raped someone, I had murdered someone, I had defied god, I was a sacriligeous doomed human filled with the most horrific malicious thoughts and I was to be punished forever. Reality expanded from this singular void I was floating in, expanding into an infinite two dimensional gridwork of 8-bit nintendo-eque mayan patterns. The patterns pulsated and glowed and encompassed all of existence. And all of existence was suffering, I was eternal suffering, my role in the universe was to suffer for all of eternity. This was the cosmic "Game Over" screen, all was lost forever, As this 8-bit Mayan gridwork pulsated the pain escalated; I felt every atom in my body torn to shreads as the ringing tones rose and fell, my body was torn limb from limb, fingers pulled from my hand, finger tips pulled from my fingers, skin ripped from the flesh, each atom pulling apart, individuals crushed and subjugated to pure pain and anguish, I fell apart and was put back together ENDLESSLY. I felt my throat slit, my intestines torn from my body, my head bashed with rocks, and then it looped for ever, ever escalating. I realized I was doomed that I had sent myself to some eternal hellish painful tortuous existence. That I had to pay the price for every negative thought I had ever done. I pissed myself I shat myself, I screamed endlessly but in this state I had no conception that I was doing any of these things. I was utterly alone, insane, and in unending psychological and physical pain/madness. The state would begin to let up and "deceive" me. I would have the sensation that I was lifting out from the state only to be hit once more with the shrill noise and feel myself sucked back in, deeper and more painfully than before. I was certain this was my place, my eternal place in the universe, that I was a cog in the machine, and my cog was labelled suffering, and I would always be suffering because that was WHO I WAS.

At times I drifted slightly from this torture and imagined I had gone completely mad. That I was a schizophrenic madman wandering through the woods, lost alone, and broken, I could see my mind in its healthy state, so far away, but it had been stolen from me, I was doomed and lost, and realized that death would not be a door to escape through but rather a portal back into this torture which slowly sucked me back in...

This was a cosmic, never ending, meatgrinder, obliterating, painful, and all encompassing. It was also fully conscious, aware of me, aware of what it (I?) was doing to me. I was sacrificial lamb to the universe, I was divinely doomed, I was fully deserving, I was alone...

This apparently took about 2 hours (or 3) to settle down and I came too slowly, I drifted from this state and back into my physical form.

I was on my back splayed across rocks in an icy cold stream. The moon was high above. The trees breathed with me and crickets chirped around me.

I was scared, alone, cold, soaking wet... I cried, I yelped "help"... My head ached, my body was bruised from thrashing on the rocks. I had a few (minor) cuts. I had pulled out a few small clumps of hair... I was scared...

But then I realized where I was. In a beautiful stream, in beautiful mountains, under a beautiful moon. I breathed deep and confidently. I could warm myself with my mind. I could connect with the world around me. I was NOT alone. I sang to the moon, I sang to the trees. I sang to the river and it sang back to me.

A crawfish crawled on my hand and I sang to it, its antennae rhythmically responded, playfully twitching in the air. The water began to engage me in a "call and response" song I sang to it, it sang an altered version of my song back and we playfully interacted with one another. I began to laugh and the stream laughed back.

I struggled to my feet. My body was like that of a newborn infant, unfamiliar, alien, new, strange and beautiful. I wobbled to the side of the stream learning how to use my body once more filled with the wonderful sense of discovery and awe for my physical form. I stripped naked, taking my soaking clothes of my body and leaving them on rocks by the side of the stream. I crawled through the forest in the hopes of finding my friend. He was laying eyes closed where I left him. I crawled up to him, naked, and cold and he saw me and smiled. We hugged, cried, expressed our gratitude for one another.

I wrapped a blanket around my body, put my boots on (and yes that was all I wore, a blanket and boots), and we wandered through the forest in wonder, in absolute awe.

The experience deeply imprinted me and I was left with severe "shell shock" from the whole experience. I was once relatively fearless of the "metaphysical" realm but this left me with deep doubts and fears of the "true" nature of reality, a place where I could experience eternal pain and never ending torture. I was fearful that this "hell" could rip through at any moment, that I could be plunged into this state at death. I woke up from flashback-nightmares of this hell state for weeks afterward and I still can "feel" it pushing through reality at times. I also became somewhat fearful of the internal states of mind from which such an experience could emerge. Its been difficult but I find myself learning from this experience.

As a long time fan of altered states this experience has been followed by nearly a year of absolute sobriety, I can't even imagine revisiting this state, it so deeply moved me, altered me, filled me with apocalyptic visions and fears, pain, love, acceptance, and anguish.

Some central points which have stuck with me, not necessarily "beliefs" but rather intuitions or hypotheticals about the universe/consciousness etc... experiences like this certainly show you how fragile certain belief can be:

1. Eternity can be experienced from within.
2. Heaven, Hell, Bliss, Pain, all are internally emergent states of mind, are not separate from one another.
3. Our past thoughts and actions, experiences as well, are a part of who we are and impact our daily existence in deep ways even if we no longer consciously remember these experiences/thoughts/actions.
4. Expansive awareness IS NOT sunshine and rainbows and bliss. Higher states of consciousness can force one to confront the immense pain and difficulty innate within existence.
5. Time is non-linear. Every moment is eternal.
6. We are a part of a masterfully created work of art, eternal, and crafted perhaps by ourselves.
7. And contradictory to previous statements. EVERYTHING is temporary, must die, must end, and we must reach a state where the end of EVERYTHING is something we can approach with celebration and love.
8. You MUST answer for who you are, what you do, the impact you have, the love, the pain, the cruelty, the good deeds, every choice you make, Tinker around with the psychedelic realm long enough and this confrontation with the oftentimes painful nature of your true self is INEVITABLE.
9. Transformation is and will be fantastic, beautiful, necessary AND HORRIFICALLY/UNIMAGINABLY DIFFICULT AND PAINFUL. This is the nature of purging, of evolution, of life.
10. WE MUST SAVE OURSELVES. Noone can do it for you, these deep issues, states of mind, are personal and must be personally addressed.

I am not certain in these beliefs but these thoughts often run through my head.

This description is only a fraction of my experience, poorly placed into words where words are surely insufficient, I hope to ammend the details as time goes on to provide a more accurate representation of the states experienced.


Here is a report I posted in Trip Reports about my Oral DMT experience.

Trip Report Link: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=482387
 
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^Agreed. I commented just now. PG, you should edit your post above to link to your report in the TR forum so others who miss it and want to comment can catch it from here in the future.
 
Smoking a pure DMT sounds by my research a very VERY intense experience, So I'm choosing to start with ayahausca
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if ayahuasca is not a very very intense experience, then you're not taking enough

at high dose, the intensity of ayahuasca is on the same level as smoked dmt
 
I find it kicks in very quickly, so you should be well on your way in an hour.
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different people, different timing

it takes exactly 4h for the full effects to start with me

around 2h i may start noticing something, but the trip really starts at 4h, never less
 
when taking syrian rue, it is recommended you fast from tyramine for at least a day
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that's 12h before and 12 after
no need to bother with more than that (except if you're oversensitive to most things you ingest)
 
crystal dmt and maoi taken oral

has anyone tried this and does it work like an ayahuasca brew eg. prolonged effects i have tried ayahuasca and loved the visuals but the sickness it caused is holding me back from taking anymore
will taking the extracted nn,dmt with an maoi in a capsule eliminate the sickness and what dose to take are they the same as for smoking nn,dmt?
 
Well it should hold back some sickness that would otherwise be caused by things like tannins and other gunk in plant material, but a part of the nausea can be caused by the MAOI. In order to remove that as well youd have to do an extraction on P. Harmala or take a pharmaceutic MAOI. (Pharmahuasca is the result).

It all works just fine, as long as the MAOI is active and dosed correctly and the DMT is dosed correctly as well.

Actually, my first ayahuasca experience will definitely be with the extracts.
 
would p.vividiris not be a better MAOI as most of the reports of sickness i have seen have been to do with p.harmala and how would you go about extracting the MAOI from vividiris or harmala? is it a long process
i have p.harmala seeds already but think i will buy some p.vividiris to compare the two
any names of other good pharmacutical MAOI's
 
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