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The Big & Dandy N-Ethyl-Norketamine Thread

Does it have to be snorted or does it also work sublingually like MXE?
I prefer to not fuck my nose up when I dont have to.

I think my dissociatives tolerance is rather low again, I went through ~1g of MXE during the summer and I think for most of you that is not very much.
So when I test it I can write something here.

For me the short duration isnt necesarily a bad thing because lying around not wanting to do anything or not being able for 3-4 hours got boring for me. (MXE)
 
justinsayno said:
... i did a couple of weeks back
in a nut shell i repeated whats already been said [ if K = 10 then NEK = 7 ] less viual, for me it was a lot less comfortable and a lot less euphoric than K
i felt restless and needed to move; more like 45 minutes of MXE than a K alternative....i didnt really enjoy it....but am tempted to get another sample...god knows why

ps - its not that bad on the nose, IMO it didnt burn or bleed, just had an annoying ammount of snot up there the next day or two....which hasn never happened with any other powder
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Ah, thanks bro. I do remember you posting that now.

Looks like something I won't bother with. Even MXE I have only tried 3 times in over a year, and I still have the same baggie of powder from the gram that I bought last summer. I guess dissociatives are not really my bag any more.
 
Survived Abortion said:
Erm... and what makes you so sure of that?
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Past experience. The ACMD have made a comprehensive recommendation, along with the required legal text to schedule these as soon as the home office is ready. The HO has released a statement that they have accepted this advice and in the past this has been the 2 week notice mark.
 
^Soon as MXE is made properly illegal under the MoDA, if the Home Office follows ACMD advice in full as they almost certainly will, then a whole range of arylcyclohexylamines will become class B, yes, absolutely correct, just to reinforce the point for Survived Abortion's benefit.

From: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/agencies-public-bodies/acmd1/methoxetamine2012?view=Binary

The ACMD also recommend that a number of closely related analogues of ketamine and phencyclidine, some of which have already appeared on sale as "legal high alternatives‟, be controlled by means of a generic chemical description detailed in Annex 3.
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Annex 3 gives the wording of what amounts to a catch-all ( or an attempt at one? ) for drugs in this class. Annex 2 and 4 give examples of known substances that would become illegal under the Annex 3 wording. It's an analogue law for the arylcyclohexylamine class. It includes NENK you'll notice despite its very recent appearance. They reference websites as sources of info that they are using to track new substances, research they've done is as recent as September. See page 5 para 2.6 for example. This class of substances is done.
 
i tried 220mg last night. snorted over the period of 20mins this amount gave me a high comparable in intensity of ~150mg ketamine(i have high k tolerance) but the fx have a slightly diffrent feel, but much more similar to ketamine than any other dissociative. it reminded me of what i have imagined tiletamine to be - ketamine without the warmth.
its less euphoric but this does not mean unpleasant, its very pleasant and i think that with high doses even a hole can be achived.
it hurts a little bit more than ketamine but this doesn't mean it hurts alot, no blood and stuff like that for sure. someone compared it to microwaved ket - thats a good comparison(when speaking about nose pain).
i gave my other 40mg to a friend with just a brief history of dissociative use, she said she felt it strongly but was obviosly not as im topressed as with ketamine.

for my self i know that im going to try a gram of stuff to see if its worth the money, but my feeling is that at this price its pointless. 15-20e for a gram looks like the maximum im willing to pay. its a wonderfull chem but you need alot of it
 
I've tried to reach the hole but even 500+ mg doses won't do the trick, but i have a sky high tolerance with regular k.

It is indeed the closest RC for who want a ketamine trip but still not as good. A bit of a "empty dissociative".

It seems that after you've reach the high feeling you cannot get higher.

Fellow with no ket experience may find it interesting, but k-head will be desapointed.
 
@Transform @Sepher, thank you, I was not aware of the recent changes. These bastards don't miss a trick, do they.

Not that this is gonna make it any more difficult to obtain the compounds if you want them, it just means UK vendors won't be selling any of them, and they haven't been selling methoxetamine since the emergency ban.
 
Would 50mg after the allergy test be a good starting point?
No ket experience and I took 60mg of MXE max so I have nothing to compare it to except the MXE.

You guys make it sound like its total shit and I have to sniff the whole bag to feel anything.
So Im not looking to get into a hole or anything just to definately notice some effects.
 
wayab said:
for my self i know that im going to try a gram of stuff to see if its worth the money, but my feeling is that at this price its pointless. 15-20e for a gram looks like the maximum im willing to pay. its a wonderfull chem but you need alot of it
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I second this. Earlier today I insufflated ~50mg and got mild effects, less looney then mxe but not as 'warm' as ketamine. I did enjoy it but for these prices I'll just do some more effort and try to get some regular ketamine instead.
 
cpuller said:
Would 50mg after the allergy test be a good starting point?
No ket experience and I took 60mg of MXE max so I have nothing to compare it to except the MXE.

You guys make it sound like its total shit and I have to sniff the whole bag to feel anything.
So Im not looking to get into a hole or anything just to definately notice some effects.
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My first dose was around 50mg and I did get some threshold effects, so I'd say it's worth starting that low. You never know, you could be especially sensitive to it - if so you'll be lucky. You probably will have to sniff the whole damn bag to really feel anything though, I know I did. The stuff just seems to have a low ceiling of effect - 120mg felt only a tiny bit stronger than 50mg to me. Twin that with a very short duration and you're looking a weak-ass drug.

It does work though - it is an active dissociative. If you don't expect too much from it you might well have some fun, for a little while at least.
 
How does this compare in the repeat-low-dose range to Ketamine? It seems people are having trouble holing with this but one of the other magical joys of Ketamine in my experience was taking repeated small bumps/lines over a night/day and just relaxing in the blissful childlike state of being it puts me in.

Does this compare in that department at all or is it lacking?

I'm wondering because I miss Ketamine and while I can still obtain it the price/quality ratio is not worth it to me at the moment. MXE was nice and is also available to me rather cheap - but I don't want the DRI/SRI effects, and want more of a plain dissociative like Ketamine to play with.

If holing is hard to achieve or even practically impossible that doesn't bother me so much since while I miss it, I miss the low doses more. :)

Thanks in advance anyone who answers.
 
Jesusgreen said:
How does this compare in the repeat-low-dose range to Ketamine? It seems people are having trouble holing with this but one of the other magical joys of Ketamine in my experience was taking repeated small bumps/lines over a night/day and just relaxing in the blissful childlike state of being it puts me in.

Does this compare in that department at all or is it lacking?
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This is very much the way I used to like consuming K too and I'd say it definitely works in a similar, though not identical, way.

I got a gram of NENK when it was first made available from a UK supplier (a good month or so ago I'd say) but hadn't tried it properly due to the nose pain. My nose takes so long to recover from even a few tiny lines of MXE or a bit of 'coke' these days that I'm trying to cut out snorting as much as possible.

So I followed the advice of a couple of people in this thread and instead made a solution with some de-ionised water in a nasal spray bottle. It was around 25mg per squirt and had absolutely no sting associated with use at all.

I used most of this, a gram minus a small line I'd tried previously to confirm the pain factor and a fair few squirts I gave to friends, on a night out which involved some heavy drinking. I found it to combine nicely in the same way that alcohol and K used to. Never too far out of it, but a noticeable wonk and good feeling every time I took a couple of squirts.

I doubt that I'll buy any more but I'd say it's well worth trying yourself.
 
I'm certainly not looking for identical, else I would just get myself some Ketamine shipped over ;) but similar is of course good since Ketamine is one of my favourite drugs.

How much Ketamine would you personally use in each dose equivalent to your 25mg squirts if you were taking that instead? I've gathered this substance is less potent but I didn't find much difference between very low dose Ketamine and low dose Ketamine so the difference in strength might not be noticable with this at that level maybe.
 
I would like to point out that though people are getting diminished potency responses relative to Ketamine, that this may well be an artifact of the bioavailability of this drug at this ROA, and that when taken by injection, like Adder did, it might well indeed be more potent than ketamine.

Amino-methyl groups come off if you as much as sneeze at them, amino-ethyl groups are much harder to knock off. An example of this is that DMT at 1000mg oral is inactive while DET at 50mg is active orally.

Ketamine is a deivative of PCM, NENK is a derivative of PCE, like MXE is. For this reason it might well be that sublingually it might be more active than intranasally, which is good news for all you clogged and bleeding noses out there.
 
petebog said:
So I followed the advice of a couple of people in this thread and instead made a solution with some de-ionised water in a nasal spray bottle. It was around 25mg per squirt and had absolutely no sting associated with use at all.
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The problem with nasal spray is keeping it fresh if you want to use the bottle over a few weeks.

Asante said:
For this reason it might well be that sublingually it might be more active than intranasally, which is good news for all you clogged and bleeding noses out there.
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Nobody ever tried this sublingually?
 
A friend did 50mg sublingual and though the effects and duration were radically different, particularly an absence of magic, he could somewhat equate it to 30mg MXE

People are snorting it "cause thats what you do with a ketamine" but it may be more akin to that other eticyclidine analog, MXE, in that sublingual is better than snorted.

Adder's "a bit stronger than Ketamine" repoirt was from injected NENK, something else absent in this thread.

Sublingual might be more active than snorted, but injecting might make it a lot more potent still.

What would be a way to have low bioavailability from snorting? Reduced absorption. This thread is full with stuffed noses plugged shut with unresorbed NENK. Sublingual/plugging may be the way to go for those unwilling to inject.
 
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