The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)

[petzy]

i thought about doing 20mg and then 20mg an hour later. or use rectal administration...but unsure about dosage. i just don´t know. maybe i should stick to 25mg and enjoy it as it is.

I for one was really surprised how different and mellow a low rectal dose feels compared to a sublingual/oral or insufflated one. You should lower your dose then though. 50 - 66 % should be sufficient imo.

 

[sn23]

Viral particles can pass micron filters, so it's entirely possible you inoculated yourself with EBV. Microns are only good against bacteria and fungi. It could also have been contracted earlier, though.
At least your immune system won't have to deal with that variant again?

Many thanks for your input sekio, it's well appreciated I unterstand 0.2 µm microfilters hold back most of bacteria and fungi but not viruses.
My point was more about the residual risks. For example, virus contaminated compounds, or some of the smaller bacteria passing through the filter membrane, or something like that. Has anyone of the more experienced users ever heard of that?
Because before my IM experiment I thought I would've made my homework on that topic and that an injection of a properly microfilter-"sterilized" solution would pose a manageable risk, but that little episode had me rethinking and led to a lot of (probably unnecessary?) insecurity.

Yes, at least my body now knows that bug for future reference :D

Also, what is a typical duration of primary and residual effects with a single dose? Is the half life really almost twice as long as K? (Erowid suggests so, and all the reports I can find are 20mg.. and then 10mg... and then anotther 20... etc)

We had a bit of a discussion about the timeline of the effects here in the 4th big and dandy thread.

According to my notes one single sublingual 25 mg dose (held under the tongue for 25 mins then swallowed) lasts about 2.5 - 3 hours with additional 1 - 2 hours of residual effects for me.
In my IM experiment the timeline seemed to be compressed and the duration of residual effects dimished (as would be expected with a ROA that gets the whole dose fast into the bloodstream), but, as said, that was just one experiment.

 

[limonov]

Ahh, dramas. My thinking on wheel filters is similiar to my feelings about safe sex- in most circumstances you should be using condoms. Does this mean that if you don't you'll immediately be covered in herpes sore and whacked with a dozen paternity claims? Not necessarily, but you are opening yourself up to all of these risks. Plenty of people I know have been shooting homebake heroin with unsterile cotton filters for decades and they aren't that worse for wear (other than having wrecked veins). But at the same time I've seen some pretty filthy bruises/abscesses/infections that have resulted from IV/IM use.

But regardless, people are going to do what they're going to do.

As for IM being harder than IV- it is, most people don't realise how bad they are at IM. When done properly (as I mentioned, I knew a fafa who did IM injections weekly, more than most doctors/nurses would do) there is virtually no immediate pain and there is certainly no afterpain/bruising/hematomas, although repeatedly IM'ing the same area(s) can lead to your body developing a localised reaction to IM shots where you begin to develop large hematomas as your body, essentially, starts to try to fight the IM injections. Plus you can see your veins, and knowing where your arteries are is simple. You can't see your nerves and I have no fucking idea where they are, I just know how to avoid my sciatic nerve. But yes, it is all subjective.

Also, what is a typical duration of primary and residual effects with a single dose? Is the half life really almost twice as long as K? (Erowid suggests so, and all the reports I can find are 20mg.. and then 10mg... and then anotther 20... etc)

Plugging 50-100mg of methoxetamine seems to have roughly this chronology-

+15 mins- Effects begin, the initial comeup is quite euphoric and reminds me a great deal of nitrous oxide. While I can still talk, walk around, put on music/dvds etc I'm already fairly dissociated and won't make a lot of sense if you talk to me.

+30-90 mins- Sound becomes increasingly distorted, it sounds like I'm on a giant empty soundstage, everything has a slight tinny echo. I start to lose stereoscopic vision, things may appear to be large/small, and may stretch or be compressed into 2D (much like ketamine IME). Thought processes become increasingly generalised/abstract, subjectively manic/ego-centric in nature. Occasionally I will get stuck in loops, though I often will be able to recognise the dejavu, if I fall into the 'repeated redose trap' it's generally during this phase.

+120-300 mins- This is the proper peak or 'm-hole', there is a great deal of amnesia and a complete inability to integrate experiences into a coherant timeline. Out of body experiences, near death experiences, sensing/communicating with god/entities, revelations/delusions/psychotic thinking have all been experienced within this period. It is interesting to note that although I am largely unaware of my actions and experience difficulty walking (definate k-hunch, space boots effects) I never the less have no problem going to the toilet, having a shower, even going to a 24 hour service station to get some cigarettes (which was probably not the smartest thing I've ever done)- this is obviously in sharp contrast to ketamine.

+360-420 mins- This is the come down. The comedown can subjectively last upto a day, depending on how experienced you are with dissociatives (and it doesn't seem to be a tolerance issue either, it's just some people will want to stay in bed until they're 100% sober while others can ignore the slight dissociation and sea-legs). The mood of the comedown is quite dependent on what was experienced during the hole, it can be an emotionally fragile time where you'll cry as you experience your thoughts about whatever or it can be an extremely manic, euphoric time. Generally I'm quiite exhausted by this time, so I experience the comedown as a sort of dissociative trance, one step down from a hole but still considerably more dissociated than even a very high nasal dose will provide.

 

[sekio]

Interesting, it really does sound like a "drawn out" version of K. Excited to try this.

The only other obvious hazard with injecting micron filtered solutions is the fact that e.g. bacterial toxins won't be removed. This is a non-issue if your solution is clean.

 

[the toad]

I'm starting to get kinda burnt out on mxe... at least most of the time... its kinda exhausting after a while... the stimulant effects combined with its long duration is kinda limiting in when I can use it... my massive tolerance probably isn't helping either... but it seems that with this stuff the tolerance applies more to the fun parts... while the dissosciation and confusion part stays... say I take 250mg... I get barely any hallucinations anymore even in the dark with eyes closed and house music cranked up... but I feel extremely dissociated from my surroundings and get that "task retardation" where basic simple tasks seem abstract and very confusing....

And this was even after taking a week off...

Granted I never used ketamine on such a regular basis... but I can take ketamine right now and get much more consistent effects... it seems for me that there is little cross tolerance between mxe and k....

 

[IamMe90]

Interesting, it really does sound like a "drawn out" version of K. Excited to try this.

The only other obvious hazard with injecting micron filtered solutions is the fact that e.g. bacterial toxins won't be removed. This is a non-issue if your solution is clean.

I haven't gotten to try this myself but before you get too excited, it seems that most people consistently compare this to K in a negative way, IE that K is more profound and that the k-hole vs. the "m-hole" if you want to call it that, is far more interesting. MXE is also not supposed to be very visual in comparison.. but I think it depends on what you want out of the substance and what aspects of K you'd like to emulate.

 

[Xamkou]

I don't like "holing". I take Mx at low doses, often, for it's intense euphoria...

 

[PsychedelicPeptide]

The only other obvious hazard with injecting micron filtered solutions is the fact that e.g. bacterial toxins won't be removed. This is a non-issue if your solution is clean.

Bacterial toxins like what? Can you name a specific example?

 

[MyExcuse]

I'm wondering if there is any danger in combining MXE with Gabapentin (Neurontin)?

I know that Jamshyd and a few others have reported that gabapentin enhances the effects of ketamine. I have personally found that pregabalin enhanced the afterglow of a K-binge, 12 hours after use had ceased.

Just wondering on the safety profile of this combo.

 

[limonov]

I haven't gotten to try this myself but before you get too excited, it seems that most people consistently compare this to K in a negative way, IE that K is more profound and that the k-hole vs. the "m-hole" if you want to call it that, is far more interesting. MXE is also not supposed to be very visual in comparison.. but I think it depends on what you want out of the substance and what aspects of K you'd like to emulate.

In my opinion most of the negativity is caused by people wanting a drug that is exactly like ketamine in every way, only legal-ish and easily available on the internet. This is simply not the case and never will be the case. The fact that most people are only interested in how similar it is to ketamine rather than how it 'fits in' within the arylcyclohexylamine family- no, it's not as 'user friendly' as ketamine, but it's a hell of a lot more user friendly than PCP/PCE/3-meo-PCP/3-meo-PCE/4-meo-pcp. The huge popularity of the substance on bluelight would indicate that a hell of a lot of people do consider it a worthwhile drug, even if it's not exactly like ketamine. And besides, ketamine is not the be all and end all of dissociatives, nor is it universally enjoyed anyway.

If all you're interested in is ketamine then you probably would be best to spend your time tracking down some ketamine. If you want MDMA no amount of mephedrone is going to satisfy you. Besides, once you start getting into the SAR there is little reason why methoxetamine would be anything like ketamine...ah the power of psychosomatic suggestion.

 

[IamMe90]

In my opinion most of the negativity is caused by people wanting a drug that is exactly like ketamine in every way, only legal-ish and easily available on the internet. This is simply not the case and never will be the case. The fact that most people are only interested in how similar it is to ketamine rather than how it 'fits in' within the arylcyclohexylamine family- no, it's not as 'user friendly' as ketamine, but it's a hell of a lot more user friendly than PCP/PCE/3-meo-PCP/3-meo-PCE/4-meo-pcp. The huge popularity of the substance on bluelight would indicate that a hell of a lot of people do consider it a worthwhile drug, even if it's not exactly like ketamine. And besides, ketamine is not the be all and end all of dissociatives, nor is it universally enjoyed anyway.

If all you're interested in is ketamine then you probably would be best to spend your time tracking down some ketamine. If you want MDMA no amount of mephedrone is going to satisfy you. Besides, once you start getting into the SAR there is little reason why methoxetamine would be anything like ketamine...ah the power of psychosomatic suggestion.

This is essentially what I meant when I said that it depends on what elements of K you'd like to emulate. I know that isn't K and that it's not the same drug, and I also never said it wasn't worthwhile.

 

[foolsgold]

i got a message yesterday from my vendor the first to get it i think that this wonderfull stuff has been in our lives for a year now by how time flys a

 

[Darksidesam]

Is it really that great?
Going to try a 10mg dose see where that gets me i think.
Going to start very light

 

[Xamkou]

In my opinion mate, yeah it is!

Would a sniffer dog at a train station show interest in my Methoxetamine, anybody?

 

[Albion]

In my opinion mate, yeah it is!

Would a sniffer dog at a train station show interest in my Methoxetamine, anybody?

Only if it has been trained to specifically sniff for Methoxetamine. I doubt any dogs sniff for methoxetamine. I'd be more worried about smelling of weed tbh. If the dog gets you because you had a joint before you left, and then they find the MXE, you'll have a hard time proving it's not Class A drugs.

 

[the toad]

I agree with you @liminov... its not the same thing... sometimes I want mxe, sometimes I want k...

I'm feeling that for me mxe is better to use during the day in small doses... it is long acting and has a lot of stimulant effects...

But if I wanna "hole out" and then be able to sleep in a couple hours k is the only option...

Sorta like dilaudid vs methadone or xanax vs klonopin...

Ket, dilaudid, and xanax all hit hard and fast and are gone in a couple hours max....

Mxe, methadone, and klonopin all are very strong and will fill up your whole day but you never get that rush...

At least for regular users... I don't really use opiates or benzos anymore tho.... maybe once in a blue moon...

 

[psood0nym]

Bacterial toxins like what? Can you name a specific example?

Botulism toxin. The toxins are just chemical bacterial byproducts (bacteria poop, if you will). I think a lot of times if there's enough bacteria in a clear solution that you might need to worry about the effects of toxins that the solution would be cloudy due to a massive colony of bacteria, something you'd know by sight not to inject.

One way to help kill off many bacteria, fungi, and viruses is simply to dump vinegar on your compound. Just a few drops of 5% acetic acid straight from the bottle to soak it should be fine, then wait two minutes and dilute with sterile water so it won't sting (preservative-free contact lens cleaning solution is basically cheap sterile saline you can get at most convenience stores). See this abstract on using 1:1 or 1:3 ratio white vinegar:water to kill the HIV virus in heroin injections. Vinegar, along with heating to boiling, or near that temp, (I set a vial with a low volume of drug/water on top of my toaster oven and pull the lever for quick easy heating) will kill off a lot (microwaving works well, too, but can make the solution leap out of the bottle after just a few seconds if it boils violently). If you add micron filtering on top of this it should cover most baddies you stand a realistic chance of encountering. If you aren't going to get micron filters, though, the first two steps with vinegar and heating are easy, quick, cheap, and will still cover quite a few bases.

Re: ketamine vs. methoxetamine: ketamine is usually cheaper than methoxetamine per dose if you don't have tolerance. I don't think I'd bother with a perfect legal alternative if it was expensive as methoxetamine. Methoxetamine provides surges of self-grandeur and bliss that I've never experienced from ketamine, not to mention a warm wonderous marshmallowy fantasy world. Like others have stated, it's all about what you're looking for at the time. I personally have rarely touched the ketamine I have access to since beginning my explorations with methoxetamine.

 

[psood0nym]

Bacterial toxins like what? Can you name a specific example?

Botulism toxin. The toxins are just chemical bacterial byproducts that are sometimes poisons. I think a lot of times if there's enough bacteria in a clear solution that you might need to worry about the effects of toxins that the solution would be cloudy due to a massive colony of bacteria, something you'd know by sight not to inject.

One way to help kill off many bacteria, fungi, and viruses is simply to dump vinegar on your compound. Just a few drops of 5% acetic acid straight from the bottle to soak it should be fine, wait two minutes, then dilute with sterile water so it won't sting (preservative-free contact lens cleaning solution is basically cheap sterile saline you can get at most convenience stores). See this abstract on using 1:1 or 1:3 ratio white vinegar:water to kill the HIV virus in heroin injections. Vinegar, along with heating to boiling, or near that temp, (I set a vial with a low volume of drug/water on top of my toaster oven and pull the lever for quick easy heating) will kill off a lot (microwaving works well, too, but can make the solution leap out of the bottle after just a few seconds if it boils violently). if you add micron filtering on top of this it should cover most baddies you stand a realistic chance of encountering. If you aren't going to get micron filters, though, the first two steps with vinegar and heating are easy, quick, cheap, and will still cover quite a few bases.

Re: ketamine vs. methoxetamine: ketamine is usually cheaper than methoxetamine per dose if you don't have tolerance. I don't think I'd bother with a perfect legal alternative if it was expensive as methoxetamine. Methoxetamine provides surges of self-grandeur and bliss that I've never experienced from ketamine, not to mention a warm wonderous marshmallowy fantasy world. Like others have stated, it's all about what you're looking for at the time. I personally have rarely touched the ketamine I have access to since beginning my explorations with methoxetamine.

 

[Kbonzai]

I recently have noticed differences within batches of MXE, now I am not sure 100 percent what I am getting is MXE, but both batches of MXE have been from very reliable vendors. The first time I got MXE it was fluffy and white and was slightly more drawn out with a more pronounced opiate feel to it. The newest batch I have is slightly off tan, has a more stimulant like effect at the beginning, slightly stings when insufflated, and the opiate feel tends to be more in the background.

Now I am wondering if, like ketamine, MXE can have two different mixtures of stereo isomers maybe explaining the slight differences in effect? I mean between the two batches the differences are subtle but still there. Maybe a problem with purity? Has anyone else experienced this?

 

[sekio]

Different runs of what I would asume is the "commercial" synthesis of both ketamine and MXE do not generate different "ratios" of enatiomers. They produce racemic product 100% of the time unless you use chiral starting materials. You have to start doing wacky chiral synthesis or do crystallization with L-tartaric acid or something to generate enantiomerically pure MXE/Ketamine. This is how Ketaset-S is produced, I think. To the best of my knowledge, unless the guys who make esketamine are blending the R-ketamine into other batches of "normal" ketamine, all commericial and street ketamine that isn't specifically S or R should be racemic.

Perhaps you could build/buy a polarimeter and figure out the specific rotation? My money's on it being 0. I think it's set and setting, or tolerance.

It could also be your supposedly "reliable" vendors are shipping fine white sand as MXE. You never know without some lab skills.