The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)
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sekio
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There is a difference between a "mistake" ("oh, my scale was off 5 milligrams, darn") and active recklessness. ("hey brah watch me rack up this third-of-a-gram of MXE, even though I'm well aware 20mg is very active")
It pisses me off when people flagrantly abuse substances in such a way. These are the kind of people who lead to wide-scale drug bans.
It pisses me off when people flagrantly abuse substances in such a way. These are the kind of people who lead to wide-scale drug bans.
IamMe90
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Yes, they are. Still, people deserve basic dignity and forgiveness, and when they come onto this board to admit their mistakes, move on with their lives, and encourage not others not to make the same mistakes as them... that is when these people deserve to be forgiven or at least they deserve some recognition for their attempt to atone for the idiocy they've committed.
It "pisses me off" when someone is as unforgiving, unsympathetic and flat out unnecessarily zealous as you though when people are just trying to admit their wrongs and help someone out by learning from their mistakes.
It "pisses me off" when someone is as unforgiving, unsympathetic and flat out unnecessarily zealous as you though when people are just trying to admit their wrongs and help someone out by learning from their mistakes.
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I'd say that is generally next to impossible. To get an excess of one enantiomer of a chiral compound, the reaction needs to take place in a chiral environment (i. e. chiral precursor, chiral reactand, chiral catalyst). Otherwise both enantiomers are formed with the same rate and one ends with racemic product. That has nothing to do with humidity or the amount of reagents used.
The benzyl alcohol is mentioned in several "how to" threads and really looks like a nice option if one wants to save filters and money. I will certainly try plugging methoxetamine soon, many thanks for that suggestion, just have to wait a few days to ensure next to zero tolerance
The next on my list is DPT and depending on how that works out methoxetamine combined with DPT, so plugging and storing solutions doesn't seem like viable options for those experiments. Plus as I know myself, i would constantly worry about the effectivity of the preservative and an additional source for impurities I don't want in my muscles (I think that pharmaceutical benzyl alcohol can't be obtained over here).
Thank you all again for your input, BL is an incredible place to get first hand and scientific information from more experienced people
Honestly, I agree 100% with what sekio said. Empathy or not, people have clearly not been using this substance responsibly. I'm sorry, but everything he said regarding tolerance is common sense, yet some still don't get. Not matter how empathy one has, people are not just going to go along with the idea of daily or excessive dosing of these powerful, completely unresearched, mind-bending chemical.
I'm glad I haven't been the only one noticing the rash of "THIS DRUG FIXES EVERYTHING" posts. I can't believe the bizarre, delusional attributes people have been ascribing to it. Hate to say it, but this sort of behavior is scary to people on the outside looking in. Probably even to those who do manage to use it responsibly and don't get carried away.
If you know enough about research chemicals to order them off the web, you should know enough to find information to get a safe and proper dose with ease. And if you can wait how ever many days/weeks it takes to come in the mail, you can find the patience to work your way up to find your preferred dose. I gotta keep real. A lot of people have to learn their lessons to be extremely cautious with RC's the hard way. And if those who refuse to learn, well, that's NATURES way of "making examples of well intentioned idiots", not sekios. Sorry but that's the way it is. I have no sympathy for those who choose to be ignorant and do ignorant things. All the information needed is available at the click of a button.
What about empathy for the sober people who might be harmed by someone doing something dangerous on MXE because they were too lazy or reckless to spare five minutes to look up a safe dose?
LogicSoDeveloped
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^ This stuff is pretty moreish IME. I know better than to procure and then use larger and larger amounts. I believe I will be taking a break for say, a month or more. Not to say I abused it but the antidepressant effects are hard to resist for me and I'd rather have none than to think "with a little bump, my mood will be lifted." and it is that easy. If for some reason it becomes unavailable, I will be okay with that as I feel like I have gotten my fair share out of the chemical and would rather not see its ugly side for myself.
Disassociated
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I've been an unstable individual for most of my life.
Unpleasant youth. Military. PTSD. Borderline symptoms. Depression. Possible light autism, etc.
A long list. Mental milkshake.
I've been selfmedicating with yoga and meditation and psychedelic drugs for a long time with some measure of success. Some. Meh.
Recently I started experimenting with MXE and believe it or not but in 6 days all my problems disappeared.
All the emotional/mental/neural and maybe even genetic damage is GONE.
Traumatic experiences no longer affect me negatively.
I am who I am.
I'm the person I want to be.
Finally.
Took me a bloody long time but that doesn't really matter.
Life is happening right now, the past is a bunch of pictures in my head.
MXE has been a miracle drug for me. I hope it will heal others as well.
But it's a dangerous drug and control is necessary.
Unpleasant youth. Military. PTSD. Borderline symptoms. Depression. Possible light autism, etc.
A long list. Mental milkshake.
I've been selfmedicating with yoga and meditation and psychedelic drugs for a long time with some measure of success. Some. Meh.
Recently I started experimenting with MXE and believe it or not but in 6 days all my problems disappeared.
All the emotional/mental/neural and maybe even genetic damage is GONE.
Traumatic experiences no longer affect me negatively.
I am who I am.
I'm the person I want to be.
Finally.
Took me a bloody long time but that doesn't really matter.
Life is happening right now, the past is a bunch of pictures in my head.
MXE has been a miracle drug for me. I hope it will heal others as well.
But it's a dangerous drug and control is necessary.
IamMe90
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✝SLAVERY✝;9939024 said:
I don't disagree with most of the things he said, all I said was that it was unnecessary to victimize the two posters (by whom that post was clearly inspired) that came clean with their mistakes, DIDN'T claim it was a miracle drug, and warned others not to do the same thing. Isn't that what the spirit of bluelight is about, harm reduction? People are going to fuck up, no doubt, that's why this site is here, it doesn't change the fact that it's better for people to learn from their mistakes and discourage others from making those same mistakes, than to just make mistakes. I'm not saying this should be applauded, of course they still fucked up, but it should not be demonized either.
sekio
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I'm not doing it to victimize those two because I've been reading the previous B&D threads and a pattern is emerging. Those two posters are not the only ones to have gone bonkers on blackout sized doses of MXE - often in combination with other substances.
There's actually a few patterns that show up. One particularly concerning one is the apparent lack of single doses in "experiments". In the published material I've read (BL and erowid) an initial dose, whether dissociative or euphoric, is almost always followed up by another one within the end of the trip.
There's also quite a few pwople who state that they are actively tripping on MXE (often with silly results like the beginning of this B&d) while posting... dunno why you need to post just mentioning that.
There's actually a few patterns that show up. One particularly concerning one is the apparent lack of single doses in "experiments". In the published material I've read (BL and erowid) an initial dose, whether dissociative or euphoric, is almost always followed up by another one within the end of the trip.
There's also quite a few pwople who state that they are actively tripping on MXE (often with silly results like the beginning of this B&d) while posting... dunno why you need to post just mentioning that.
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I think we are on the same line with our intentions.
My guess about the leftover r isomer would be that it is racemized through some easy to achieve unimolecular nuceophile substitution that is then reversed to yield ~racemic ketamine again. They might even yield a precursor through racemization and add the product into the next batch's synthesis cycle.
edit: Thinking further about this, I came to firmly belief that the r isomer is passed on directly to the Illuminati on one hand and E.C.C.O on the other (that's the "Earth Coincidence Control Office" for those blinded souls naïve to these facts), both of whom then proceed to control the course of mankind's history from inside the ketamine realms. Makes perfect sense, how could I have been so blind not to see this sooner?!
edit2: To be fair... If you are slightly puzzled by the facts presented in that last paragraph, you might want to look into John C. Lilly and his downfall through Ketamine abuse. A perfect example of what exactly can go wrong with chronic dissociative use. Now if you excuse me, I have dolphins to entertain.
Make no mistake, I'm no chemist. I've had 3 months of chemistry classes last year, so I know most of the basics and I've dabbled around with simple organic extractions (I dare say I mastered the art of large scale dmt extraction), but I'm far from knowledgable when it comes to the heavy stuff. If sekio doesn't change his mind, I agree with what he said.
On another note, I have read that Ketamine+MXE can be an excellent combination. Can anyone confirm this and go further into detail? I am yet to try MXE, but I'm hoping for a more lucid, yet twisted and colorful k hole experience that still has me remember most of it. Think my expectations could be met?
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If mxe+dpt is anything like ketamine+dpt, you are in for a wild ride. Said combination was the only thing that could ever cause a complete and utter ego death for me. Be very careful and dose both on the low end or chances are you won't remember a thing. I'd vape the DPT freebase if I may recommend a roa and do it once the mxe is working it's magic on you. Go for 50% of your regular mxe dose max, this is how I used to combine it with ketamine anyway. It's one of the most magical combinations for sure.
Congratulations to the medical benefits mxe provided to you. The genetic damage you mentioned is actually being discussed as a potential target of how nmda receptors help the brain to maintain memory. It is not really "damage" that is fixed, but methylations on your Cytosine nukleotides in neuronal DNA that might be removed. These methylations are assumed to offer some protections from mental illness as well though or so do some neuroscientists guess anyway.
Please be aware of the fact, that the effect you are experiencing is not of a permanent nature and you might crash hard after a few days/weeks. Try to change your behaviour accordingly and restructure your mind step by step to find a way out of your misery, but don't be foolish enough to assume this compound has healed you for good. If you should notice a decreased duration of the beneficial effects over time, chances are you are not just benefitting from your mxe use. Try recording your use in a calendar to observe frequency of administration and maybe keep a diary about your mental problems parallel to that. Jamshyd has a thread somewhere about how to use ketamine in a similar way. Be safe and don't slip into bigger problems than you've already been experiencing, there is a very real danger of that happening to you with these sneaky substances.
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ColtDan
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the dose wasn't actually that big. it was due to my lack of tolerance + the fact i treated it like an abuseable drug such as meph. i only had a 500mg bag, there was still fuck loads left. i didnt rack up 250mg lines or anything crazy. i can easily admit my mistakes, i have no shame in it. it was a message of warning... be careful with this shit. not that anyone will listen as theres people doing this stuff every day and getting addicted to it. but whatever
the toad
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Its not that being high on the drug changed my life... its more like getting high on the drug showed me a way of seeing what I truly needed to be happy in life... and I don't need to be high to remember it... I just use it now for its euphoric and mood lifting effects (mostly just tomake work more fun) and I find myself using it less and less... sortalike I'm ready to put the tool back in the toolbox cuz I'm done fixing what needed to be fixed... everything is working properly now... lol
Disassociated
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It's been almost two months now. While I have occasionally used MXE I also went without for several weeks at a time. (I haven't used any other drug/alcohol)
Didn't make a difference whatsoever. I've been stable ever since I managed to 'hard reset' the wetware.
I don't even feel great or extatic, which would be a good cause for suspicion, I just feel 'normal', whatever that may be.
I can't guarantee I will remain stable for another day, week, year or for the rest of my life, but that's the same for everyone.
I've seen smart and wealthy people lose the plot for no reason, and end up as a basket case gutter-inhabitant in less than a week.
In any case, I'm already keeping a general diary and a separate drug-related diary. I'll keep you guys posted about further developments.
I'm aware of Jamshyd and his ketamine exploits and have made several posts on the subject under a different name.
Ketamine allowed me to adjust my mental state up to a point where I was able to have a day job and such, but I've always been aware of my underlying issues.
MXE treatment made it possible for me to actually deal with those issues. For now, that is. Fingers crossed.
Coincidentally I've been involved in a large-scale scientific research project about PTSD and the effects of therapy.
Over six months I've been extensively tested and analysed.
I've submitted gallons of blood and saliva samples over that period.
I have also been subject to several MRI scans, both passively and while performing mental exercises.
The last round of tests, fluid submission and MRI scans was done two weeks after achieving mental and emotional stabilty.
I can hardly wait to see the actual results and comparisons to the other test subjects but that may take up to a year.
I will of course share all interesting facts or lack thereof in a future post.
Disassociated
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One more thing: three days before I did the dumbass thing I started taking daily doses of Piracetam.
While not psychoactive under normal conditions, I do recall an unwanted mind-altering side effect when I combined it with alcohol some years back.
I can't be sure that it was involved this time but I'm not taking any chances and advice others to do the same.
Again: what happened to me was in no way pleasant, interesting or fun and could have killed me.
While not psychoactive under normal conditions, I do recall an unwanted mind-altering side effect when I combined it with alcohol some years back.
I can't be sure that it was involved this time but I'm not taking any chances and advice others to do the same.
Again: what happened to me was in no way pleasant, interesting or fun and could have killed me.
Darksidesam
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i just wonder what 10mg - 20mg will do
limonov
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I can confirm that they are a good combination. To be honest with you, I only tried this combination because ketamine is so hard to come by here that when I came across a couple of grams I figured that I'd be able to 'stretch' it by boosting it with MXE, so initially my intentions was simply to make my ketamine go further. I tried the combo both by via snorting and plugging at various dosages.
At lower doses snorted, say 50mg Ketamine/30mg MXE, the two synergise perfectly; in fact this is probably what most people would ideally want (or what they expect) MXE to be like. You have the instant come up of the ketamine, and the ketamine keeps you relaxed (tastes the edge off the mania) and adds to the visuals. I went to a bunch of punk/noise gigs in houses and at bars on this combo, and it was excellent- the ketamine made me really get into the music, but I felt more able/inclined to move round as well as have conversations with people, even if you're still completely unable to make small talk because your brain has forgotten all its autocues.
The best thing though was the fact that the MXE gave low-dose ketamine the legs it just doesn't have. I should mention that I didn't redose either the ket or the mxe, it wasn;t necessary because as you're starting to come down from the ketamine after about and hour or so the MXE is starting to kick in fully, by the time the ketamine has freed you from its grip you're peaking on MXE, but the experience as a whole retains a subjectively noticible 'ketamine flavour', it's not as if you can really 'feel' the ketamine wearing off and the MXE taking the lead- the combo does have a continuity to it.
I also tried higher hole doses plugged- I think that there has been a lot of misinformation about rectal ketamine, I don't buy the 'it's as inefficent as oral' dosage guide on erowid and elsewhere. Ketamine is suprisingly effective nasally, but plugging is definately significantly more efficent/quicker than oral. My general dose was of 200mg ketamine + 50-100mg MXE, figuring MXE is about 3-4 times as strong as ketamine and my objective was a strong-hole experience. Occasionally I redosed, I also had several stronger experiences with higher doses. I'm less comfortable reccomending this combination, although they do synergise in a similar manner to low-doses, which does indeed mean that you can prolong the K-hole, there are many more negative side effects.
The first thing is there seems to be a compounding of the amnesia, I'm not saying that I have perfect recall of my dissociative experiences usually- there is a certain degree of blackout in any 'hole' type experience, regardless of what substance you're taking. But certainly, there seemed to me a much stronger 'fading in and out of blackout' component to the experience as opposed to a little memory loss, generally indicating the 'peak' of my k-hole. Most worringly I found that the MXE's stimulant effects to be strong enough to 'overpower' ketamines anesthetic effects- I moved around while being 100% blackout-in-the-k-hole. Depending on your situation this could lead to your body finding itself in some very unfortunate situations while your mind is getting to grips with metaphysical reality with help from our dolphin buddies.
As you're experienced with PCP I'm sure that you'll take all the necessary precautions when experimenting with this combination, however other people- particularly people who have a bit of ketamine experience, but never the less haven't had strong dissociative experiences (ketamine, on the whole, is not as intense as almost any dissociative bar nitrous oxide) should take care and really think about having a trip sitter for this one. Tread carefully with this combo, particularly if you're going to surf the MK (Mortal Kombat?) hole.
My brain has obviously been writing a horribly long response to Seikos post, but I think I need to let it ferment a little longer...
lurching
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the longer duration can be a downside when you are aiming for the quick in 'n out dose, where the MXE will obviously muddy the waters for longer than you'd like.
but yeah, when you have the time to spare then this is a brilliant combination, i totally agree with yr analysis..
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